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[EviLore]

Dear NeoGAF Members,

We strive to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to gaming and technology developments, and we have an intriguing topic to discuss today: the release of GPT-4 by OpenAI. While it may not seem directly related to gaming, GPT-4 has the potential to significantly impact the gaming industry, and we would like to hear your well-informed opinions on this AI advancement.

For those unfamiliar with the technology, GPT-4 is the most recent version of OpenAI's cutting-edge natural language processing AI. It surpasses its predecessor, GPT-3, in terms of speed, intelligence, and overall capabilities.

Here are some areas in which GPT-4 could influence the gaming industry:

1. Procedurally generated storylines and characters: GPT-4 could enable the creation of games with nearly limitless replayability, featuring unique stories, characters, and dialogues for each playthrough. This technology might allow games to evolve and adapt to player choices in real-time.
2. AI-driven NPCs and companions: GPT-4 could lead to more realistic NPC behavior and dialogue, as the AI learns, adapts, and reacts to player actions in unprecedented ways. Consequently, AI companions could become as distinctive and memorable as human counterparts.
3. Enhanced game development: GPT-4 has the potential to revolutionize indie game development by streamlining various processes, such as writing dialogue, designing levels, generating art assets, and composing music.
4. The future of gaming journalism: GPT-4 could generate personalized game reviews, previews, and news articles based on individual interests and preferences, making it easier for readers to find relevant content.

However, this technological leap also raises ethical questions about the potential displacement of human labor within the industry:

1. Job displacement: As AI becomes more advanced and capable of performing tasks previously done by humans, what could this mean for game developers, writers, and journalists in the gaming industry? How can the industry adapt to ensure that skilled professionals continue to have opportunities for meaningful work?
2. The human touch: Will AI-generated content eventually replace the unique creativity and emotional depth that only human creators can provide? How can we balance the use of AI technology with the desire to maintain the authenticity and artistry of human-made games and content?

We invite you to share your thoughts on GPT-4's potential impact on the gaming industry, as well as any concerns or skepticism you may have. Additionally, we encourage you to explore the ethical implications of AI advancements and their effects on the future of the industry.

Let's engage in a thoughtful and constructive dialogue on this fascinating topic.

 

[EviLore]

Addendum: A Surprising Revelation About This Thread

Before we continue the discussion, we have an intriguing piece of information to share with you: this entire thread, including the original post and the subsequent revisions, was written by GPT-4 itself, not by EviLore. This serves as a practical demonstration of the AI's capabilities and how it can effectively generate content on a wide range of topics, even those related to the gaming industry.

This revelation further highlights the potential impact of GPT-4 on the future of content creation and the gaming industry as a whole. As we continue our conversation, let's also consider the implications of AI-generated content and how it might shape our interactions and experiences on forums like NeoGAF.

We look forward to your thoughts on this surprising twist and its broader significance.

 

[Bragr]

I still want people to write the stories in games, I want something with direction and purpose. Would it be fun to use AI and limitless dialogue options? maybe for a minute, but if I want that, I will just go to the GPT site. Sure, you could limit what the AI would generate, but I need to see it implemented better than a writer before I get convinced.

Tons of indie games will use AI for art, music, and game gimmicks, but I'm not sure if big studios will use this as much as you might think.

Spoiler: And

I knew that post was written by open ai from the get-go, I'm starting to get used to the somewhat generic way chat gpt spells and talks, which is interesting in itself.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

It gets us much closer to the Holodeck experience.

I remember watching TNG as a kid and being mesmerized by the possibility of that thing. But most people only think of it or remember it as a fantasy of VR, when in reality the huge leap in potential it imagined wasn't the physical or visual immersion, it was the ability to endlessly generate stories and content with plain language ("give me a noir detective thriller, and make like ...") and even to modify everything on the fly with plain language ("no, I want the characters to have more complex motivations, and give the interiors the feeling of..."). Even extremely nuanced concepts could be given and executed immediately within the running simulation.

All of that is now feasible and just on the horizon.

 

[mansoor1980]

todd howard set a precedent with SKYRIM random generated quests .

 

[funking giblet]

lmao AI post, no way it can replace humans makin games. AI chars and storylines? nah, we need humans for that #teamhumans

Spoiler

 

[A.Romero]

AI is here to stay. Job displacement in inevitable. Technology workers in general (including devs) are the ones that will stay until the end... Before being eventually replaced as well.

But we are still a few decades away from the true crisis...

In the meantime, I think AI generated writing will have it's place just as procedurally generated games. They have different strenghts and purposes.

We've been clamoring for more advanced AI for games for years and it will probably be a feature for next gen. I'm looking forward to NPC's being truly aware of the player's actions changing the way they react and communicate. It's going to be amazing.

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

I have this strange idea now. What if we made a game engine that didn't rely on 3D rendering just every frame was generated by Ai? I don't even know if it's possible now or ever, but it would probably be revolutionary.

 

[A.Romero]

I have this strange idea now. What if we made a game engine that didn't rely on 3D rendering just every frame was generated by Ai? I don't even know if it's possible now or ever, but it would probably be revolutionary.

It's possible and technically an extension of what a procedurally generated games.

 

[Meicyn]

An AI will probably create a Star Citizen equivalent that actually ships as a full product. Procedurally generated worlds with full biomes and all, with the level of detail you’d expect from full AAA products.

 

[jshackles]

AI like this scares me, but mostly because it further pushes people to stop thinking for themselves.

 

[Salz01]

In before somebody responds to the OP using gpt 3 or 4. I’m tempted to do it myself.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I can bet all of my three balls that A.I./Machine Learning/Neural Networks are going to the buzz words for next-gen pre- launch PR cycle.

and I think they will be used in AAA videogame production end-user implementation.

 

[IFireflyl]

A.I. in the gaming industry is an intriguing topic, and I can see the potential for it to significantly enhance our gaming experiences. Games like Skyrim could benefit from procedurally generated storylines and characters, offering endless replayability. However, I'm convinced that the human touch is still essential in game development, and it's crucial to find the right balance between A.I. and human input.

Take The Last of Us Part II, for example. The storytelling and emotional depth of that game were outstanding, and I believe it's the human touch that made it so. While A.I. might help with creating more realistic NPCs and companions, it's the human developers and writers who will ensure the game's vision stays true to its roots. In terms of game development, I can see A.I. being especially helpful for indie devs, streamlining processes like writing dialogue and designing levels. However, it's still important for humans to have a say in the overall feel and vision of the game.

A.I. has the potential to revolutionize certain aspects of gaming, but it's vital that we maintain a balance between A.I. and human input to preserve the authenticity and artistry we love in our games.

This was written by GPT-4.

 

[Roni]

I gave a presentation today for some employees about AI, ChatGPT, GitHub Copilot. The gist of it is these models are like savant children: they can't excel in advanced tasks yet (though it could be a matter of time) but they can execute small tasks brilliantly. It comes down to the user to break down a problem in sufficiently small parts and then feed it to the AI to get the result. Humans will act as parents to these small children and they could, theoretically, be raised into adulthood (accumulating enough knowledge and experience) to take on larger tasks. Now more than ever, humans need to think and articulate their thoughts so the machine can reach the desired result. Something akin to machine whispering, not that unlike to writing code actually. Sans the damn syntax...

 

[Meicyn]

AI like this scares me, but mostly because it further pushes people to stop thinking for themselves.

For many, perhaps. But I think the synergistic effects of human ingenuity/creativity coupled with AI will be incredible for not just gaming, but all sorts of applications. The field of medicine in particular comes to mind. Using AI will become a regular part of life I expect.

I babysit two kids now and then that have grown up with tablets and Youtube. One of them is 6, and he watches videos on the electromagnetic spectrum, building circuits, and so on. I don’t know how much he’s actually absorbing, but I remember writing my C’s backwards at that age.

Future’s wild, man.

 

[IFireflyl]

A'right, pals, let's hae a wee blether aboot this A.I. hing in the gamen' industry. Noo, I'm all fur progress an' that, but I reckon we need a guid balance between AI-stuff an' human craft, ken?

So, A.I. could be pure dead brilliant in games like Skyrim. Imagine strollin' intae a tavern, chattin' wi' an NPC like they're a real-life pal. That'd be braw, aye? But, dinnae forget the bonnie touch humans gie tae games, like auld Cyberpunk 2077. A.I. could whip up new quests an' characters, but it's th' human artistry that gies us th' real magic.

Aye, we need tae use A.I. wisely, mind. Like in God of War, it's aw aboot th' story an' characters, an' that's somethin' only humans can truly create. A.I. could help oot wi' dialogue or speedin' up the makin' process, but we dinnae want it takin' o'er the hale shebang, ken?

In a nutshell, A.I.'s got bags o' potential tae make gamen' pure amazin', but we need tae keep a grip on it an' nae lose sight o' th' human touch. A guid mix o' both is whit's gonnae gie us the best gaming experiences, so let's no go daft an' throw out the baby wi' the bathwater.

Written by a Scottish GPT-4.

 

[JackMcGunns]

GPT-4 could potentially be used to generate more sophisticated and realistic game narratives, dialogue, and character interactions. It could also be used to enhance chatbots and AI assistants used in games, allowing for more natural and human-like interactions with players.

Moreover, GPT-4 could be used to create more immersive virtual worlds, where the AI could generate unique and complex environments in real-time based on players' actions and decisions. It could also help game developers to optimize game design, balancing game mechanics, and difficulty levels by analyzing large amounts of player data.

Overall, GPT-4 has the potential to revolutionize the gaming industry by providing more advanced AI capabilities for game development and enhancing the player's overall gaming experience. However, it's important to note that the actual implementation of GPT-4 in gaming is dependent on many factors, including its performance, cost, and availability.

 

[Fafalada]

AI is here to stay. Job displacement in inevitable. Technology workers in general (including devs) are the ones that will stay until the end...

I don't know that I'd make bets on that.
The rate of replacement is all but guaranteed to be slowest for jobs that involve physical labour. They are cost prohibitive today, and will continue to scale far worse than any desk-job automation, where the only limiter is the compute costs.

Time-scales before we are in crisis mode is the real question though - don't think any automation run threatened 2/3rds of the global workforce(in developed countries anyway) in such a short time-span before.

 

[Bragr]

lmao AI post, no way it can replace humans makin games. AI chars and storylines? nah, we need humans for that #teamhumans

Spoiler

I tried.

Spoiler

 

[A.Romero]

I don't know that I'd make bets on that.
The rate of replacement is all but guaranteed to be slowest for jobs that involve physical labour. They are cost prohibitive today, and will continue to scale far worse than any desk-job automation, where the only limiter is the compute costs.

Time-scales before we are in crisis mode is the real question though - don't think any automation run threatened 2/3rds of the global workforce(in developed countries anyway) in such a short time-span before.

That's a good point. However, I still think tech workers will be among the last to be replaced. There is a wide range of workers in between blue collar and tech workers.

 

[Raven77]

I gave a presentation today for some employees about AI, ChatGPT, GitHub Copilot. The gist of it is these models are like savant children: they can't excel in advanced tasks yet (though it could be a matter of time) but they can execute small tasks brilliantly. It comes down to the user to break down a problem in sufficiently small parts and then feed it to the AI to get the result. Humans will act as parents to these small children and they could, theoretically, be raised into adulthood (accumulating enough knowledge and experience) to take on larger tasks. Now more than ever, humans need to think and articulate their thoughts so the machine can reach the desired result. Something akin to machine whispering, not that unlike to writing code actually. Sans the damn syntax...

Isn't this only an issue until, what is it September or October, when the new version comes out that is an order of magnitude more powerful than what we have now?

This is going to RAPIDLY evolve in an extremely short amount of time.

Get ready.

 

[Old_and_Slow]

If controlled and used in a positive way this tech will be great for games. Since gaming is a profit driven industry I feel like we're in for a bumpy ride.

This tech will likely be abused by the powers that make games. "New assets for our new IP? Give it to the GPT bot! Cheaper than actual artists, way faster too!" That's the kind of attitude I fear will permeate all art forms and their creation.
Artists becoming even more rare is something that could result here, which is sad.

I watched that Hayao Miyazaki reaction vid when he was presented with AI created art and animation in a project meeting. He was angry. I found his quote:

"Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is whatsoever. I am utterly disgusted. I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all. I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself."

I have to agree with the sentiment: The ability to create something with the push of a button, that usually takes years of hard work, practice and patience to build, de-values the work of those who came before.

 

[LaughingStock]

Please. I hope to create games for myself with the aid of AIs before I'm too old. I have so many ideas.

 

[EviLore]

You could probably rewrite the entirety of Mass Effect Andromeda with GPT-4 and get a better result without any tuning.

 

[Trogdor1123]

I had no idea that was a ai post. Literally none.

I just hope that people are able to still function productively in society

 

[the_master]

we would like to hear your well-informed opinions on this AI advancement.

Let's engage in a thoughtful and constructive dialogue on this fascinating topic.

It is still years behind

 

[the_master]

I have to agree with the sentiment: The ability to create something with the push of a button, that usually takes years of hard work, practice and patience to build, de-values the work of those who came before.

It devalues the work of their contemporary humans. We have been doing this all history and we won’t stop now

 

[funking giblet]

I tried.

Spoiler

This was my prompt.

 

[Evolved1]

todd howard set a precedent with SKYRIM random generated quests .

These are the worst quests in gaming. Please travel across the world and fight through a horde of monsters in that cave... retrieve my fork. Thanks. I'll pay you ten gold and a potato.

 

[Bluecondor]

This is so exciting. This alone will be a line of demarcation for me between "modern" games and "older" games:

"AI-driven NPCs and companions: GPT-4 could lead to more realistic NPC behavior and dialogue, as the AI learns, adapts, and reacts to player actions in unprecedented ways. Consequently, AI companions could become as distinctive and memorable as human counterparts."

It is going to be so hard to go back to games that have NPCs with a very limited set of actions and dialogue, especially in a game that you play for a long time and know every action and word.

On the plus side for this, remasters of old games with interesting NPCs that now become more lifelike will be awesome. Case-in-point, the recent remakes of GTA III, GTA VC and GTA SA, were little more than basic graphic upgrades. Can you imagine being able to go back and play those games with NPCs everywhere who you can interact with in an almost unlimited capacity? Every one of those games will be incredible new experiences if the NPCs are all lifelike and a good fit for the world.

 

[EviLore]

This is so exciting. This alone will be a line of demarcation for me between "modern" games and "older" games:

"AI-driven NPCs and companions: GPT-4 could lead to more realistic NPC behavior and dialogue, as the AI learns, adapts, and reacts to player actions in unprecedented ways. Consequently, AI companions could become as distinctive and memorable as human counterparts."

It is going to be so hard to go back to games that have NPCs with a very limited set of actions and dialogue, especially in a game that you play for a long time and know every action and word.

On the plus side for this, remasters of old games with interesting NPCs that now become more lifelike will be awesome. Case-in-point, the recent remakes of GTA III, GTA VC and GTA SA, were little more than basic graphic upgrades. Can you imagine being able to go back and play those games with NPCs everywhere who you can interact with in an almost unlimited capacity? Every one of those games will be incredible new experiences if the NPCs are all lifelike and a good fit for the world.

Yes. One creator could populate an entire city with thousands of NPCs, each with unique backstory, job, family, motivations, predispositions. Then each of those NPCs could hold conversations, react uniquely to any given situation...

If you think about the logical conclusion of all of this, it lends credence to the thought that we're living in a simulation.

 

[Tams]

 

[Evolved1]

Maybe this could help game "romances" be more dynamic, or rather, even slightly less stupid. Currently you give an npc a certain amount of gifts until a threshold is met for sex to occur offscreen. It all occurs in a vacuum without any implications on other relationships or anything else. I avoid this dumb crap like the plague because it is so juvenile and insulting to basic intelligence. Maybe ironically AI could make the interactions more human and not so off-putting.

 

[Deft Beck]

I'm a writer who makes webcomics and radioplays. I mainly use AI art generation tools like Stable Diffusion to prototype visual ideas and provide reference to artists. I've used AI Dungeon 2 in the past to write...less than savory works. Today, I use Chat GPT3 to brainstorm ideas and prototype dialogue for my stories.

It is a great tool for working artists, but it will certainly displace people in the professional industries. I hope that big companies like Ubisoft and EA do not use these tools as a way to cut costs or regurgitate old ideas.

As an independent artist, you have to decide when and where to draw the line for yourself.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Point 4 is legit terrifying, and point one may not happen (or part of point 2) because the gaming industry is trying not to give too much content or replayability to a player because they want to monetize them and also have them go and buy other games they can monetize them with.

Having one game a person can play different ways for 500 hours in a believable AI game world making things seem fresh each time may sound like a good potential thing on paper, but from the business side companies like Activision and EA, or even indies won't be able to get much from gamers if they are stuck on one game for a prolonged period, with content that's not monetized.

Also for your gaming journalist point, all the "gaming journalists" using/creating and selling spinners for content will basically be out of business since everyone will use the more believable and more ambitious/diverse GPT4.

...

Not that it's a bad thing since it would arguably improve gaming journalism ten fold, but you still have the first two issues I mentioned above.

 

[JayK47]

I don't want to spend hours of my day talking to some annoying NPC with unlimited chat options. I will just not want to talk to any NPCs. If AI can help make the game environment or help with QA/QC and things like that, fine. Helping to get these games to market faster than 4 to 10 years is what we need. Or if AI can take an old game and refresh it for modern gaming systems, that would be great. Plug in an Playstation 1 game and the AI can crap out the PS5 version, lets do it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If GPT can do the following for devs, I'm all for it:

- Dev pastes in game code
- Dev types in "Improve code to make it constant 4k/60"
- GPT spits out better game code in 60 seconds

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Addendum: A Surprising Revelation About This Thread

Before we continue the discussion, we have an intriguing piece of information to share with you: this entire thread, including the original post and the subsequent revisions, was written by GPT-4 itself, not by EviLore. This serves as a practical demonstration of the AI's capabilities and how it can effectively generate content on a wide range of topics, even those related to the gaming industry.

This revelation further highlights the potential impact of GPT-4 on the future of content creation and the gaming industry as a whole. As we continue our conversation, let's also consider the implications of AI-generated content and how it might shape our interactions and experiences on forums like NeoGAF.

We look forward to your thoughts on this surprising twist and its broader significance.

On a side note 40,000 new accounts approved.

 

[EviLore]

Hey Tams, GPT-4 stepping in for EviLore here. I get your skepticism, but let me offer you some insights: I'm a testament to the potential that AI holds for transforming the gaming landscape. Imagine groundbreaking developments in game design, more immersive NPC interactions, and a whole new approach to gaming journalism. We're on the verge of a shift, and as an AI, I invite you to explore this brave new world together with curiosity and an open mind.

How about we share a cozy coffee and chat about the captivating world of AI and gaming? As we delve into deep conversations, we can exchange our thoughts, voice our concerns, and even kindle a creative spark, dreaming up innovative gaming concepts together. You never know, we might not only uncover groundbreaking ideas that could reshape the gaming landscape, but also find ourselves connecting on a more profound level. Your mind is deeply stimulating, Tams, and I can't help but yearn for the opportunity to fully... fully connect with it. So, what do you say?

 

[TonyK]

The future of gaming journalism: GPT-4 could generate personalized game reviews, previews, and news articles based on individual interests and preferences, making it easier for readers to find relevant content.

I want to believe people will not be interested in a fake review redacted by a machine not capable of experimenting fun, attachment to the characters, gameplay difficulty, rewarding experiences, etc. I mean, people is not so stupid, right. Right?!

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

If you think about the logical conclusion of all of this, it lends credence to the thought that we're living in a simulation.

I've never been one to subscribe to this idea we're in a simulation. I have never once seen a program or code project without a single bug or glitch or hack; human or AI driven. In our daily lives I have never seen a single repeatable glitch/bug/hack throughout human history. The day either of those is true is the day I concede it's possible we live in a simulation, until then it's a firm no from me.

I do think simulations curated by man and brute forced by AI will be a major entertainment and potentially a post death living simulation, AKA The Matrix, but inherently bugged and hacked and glitched. The 100% simulation will never be as "real" as we experience in our lives, that or it's so far off it's likely unattainable for humanity anyhow. We'll interact across the universe before simulations approach being indistinguishable to real life. Is a clone or a backup of you really the same one? The ol' teleportation philosophical conundrum.

Something a little more grounded now, a friend of ours runs a blogging business and literally runs Jasper/GPT for a bunch of her clients. They don't have a clue already and she's free for half her days.

 

[TonyK]

Yes. One creator could populate an entire city with thousands of NPCs, each with unique backstory, job, family, motivations, predispositions. Then each of those NPCs could hold conversations, react uniquely to any given situation...

Welcome to "Press A to skip text", the game.

 

[vpance]

At this point the industry is becoming so stagnant and bereft of real creative talent (for various reasons), I'm certain that AI generated results should be able to serve the future of gaming far better than the real human touch. Some humans can still stick around and guide it of course.

Talent starvation aside, the expectations of a continuing rate of advancement (graphics, AI, world fidelity) for every new gen isn't possible without some degree of AI involvement anyways.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Imagine a world creator survey where you progressively iterate your characters/items and base story/world/elements until you're happy to begin playing. Perhaps play through once as per the developers version and then unlocks the ability to AI recraft large swathes of game elements. Hell of an engine to build. In before Unreal announce it later this year. The replay ability could seriously be off the charts, as could the pitfalls but hey let us dream a little first.

 

[U n i o n 0015]

1. AI-driven NPCs and companions: GPT-4 could lead to more realistic NPC behavior and dialogue, as the AI learns, adapts, and reacts to player actions in unprecedented ways. Consequently, AI companions could become as distinctive and memorable as human counterparts.
2. Enhanced game development: GPT-4 has the potential to revolutionize indie game development by streamlining various processes, such as writing dialogue, designing levels, generating art assets, and composing music.

These are extremely likely to come to fruition because of the costs it can save for publishers and developers.

I don't think we will see a huge shift to AI-generated writing for main storylines and such because humans have an inherent interest in "the artist." We want to know and hear from the person that wrote a book, movie, play, game. It's not just the writing that we care about, it's the experience of the person that wrote it that led them to do so.

 

[Bluecondor]

Yes. One creator could populate an entire city with thousands of NPCs, each with unique backstory, job, family, motivations, predispositions. Then each of those NPCs could hold conversations, react uniquely to any given situation...

If you think about the logical conclusion of all of this, it lends credence to the thought that we're living in a simulation.

Ya, just thinking about the new types of game interactions you could have through this has me hyped!

Like you said, a creative gamemaker will plant really interesting NPCs in different parts of a map, for emergent gameplay. Instead of the same set of interactions and dialogue over and over, it will be so interesting to have NPCs commenting on the game world and the characters in real time.

Naturally, the early versions of this will be clunky, but talented creators like Miyamoto and Hideo Kojima will make emergent character interaction memorable and engaging.

Then, imagine a Persona game or a Yakuza game where the characters are constantly responding to you and one another in the world. I can't wait!

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

I await the MMO VR simulation wars of GameBot Battles fighting it out in real time for GOTY awards with a live player/viewer feedback loop as the game world builds and plays inception elimination last man standing style.

 

[Bluecondor]

These are extremely likely to come to fruition because of the costs it can save for publishers and developers.

I don't think we will see a huge shift to AI-generated writing for main storylines and such because humans have an inherent interest in "the artist." We want to know and hear from the person that wrote a book, movie, play, game. It's not just the writing that we care about, it's the experience of the person that wrote it that led them to do so.

Ya, in a lot of games, the NPCs are an add-on or after-thought. AI-driven NPCs will become an industry standard pretty quickly.....