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Gran Turismo Sport is extremely limited in offline mode (no saves, unlocks, etc..)
- Thread starter shandy706
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Ah I see, never mind then.
Exactly. There is no 'single player' and 'multiplayer' progress. Its one progress. The cars you get to play in 'single player' are the same ones that you can use to play 'multiplayer'... even the "Scape" mode is locked to the cars you own.
You play and you progress. It's like if you would play a Call of Duty campaign, earn points and buy stuff (weapons, perks etc) for the online mode. NO! Those modes are separate: which is also a reason why some people don't even touch the single player content.
Yeah it can be annoying when they do some maintenance... but it also makes the game better as a whole: The game is focused on the online races. To do so they expect you to be a good driver and earn the cars based on your own ability. Having the 'single player' locked to online saves (WHICH IS NOT PS+ LOCKED) is a measure to make sure the system works. You play the challenges, get the licenses, earn some cars for that, but you are also getting better at the game, respecting the brake points and such thing, all this counts for you to come online and DONT BE A STUPID DRIVER.
rokkerkory
Member
This is crazy. Always online coming more true?
Loot boxes too in FM7 :/
Loot boxes too in FM7 :/
NullPointer
Member
It's alright.
Couldn't even find out how the Arcade mode unlocks worked until the game actually launched since there was nothing to see in the demo, and the manual doesn't even spell it out. But you start with maybe three beginner tracks and a couple of cars in Arcade, but everything else is locked behind Driver level, which I guess can be accrued offline but only saved when online.
You want to race the Nurburgring offline? Have to be level 20.
So for anybody looking at the game's offline modes as something they could sink their teeth into without ever going online, it won't work. But I guess its there for short server downtimes or loss of connectivity?
Regardless, still looking forward to getting home, taking care of house stuff and then settling in for some more Circuit Experience runs
I.......did not know that....
That clears some things up.
Some of us who were interested didn't know the extent of it. (e.g. for me that I couldn't even progress in the SP parts offline)
I think they should have kept the arcade mode with everything unlocked outside the main menu like old GT games, and considered the arcade mode inside as a mini SP campaign where you can unlock cars, get some money...etc.It's alright.
Couldn't even find out how the Arcade mode unlocks worked until the game actually launched since there was nothing to see in the demo, and the manual doesn't even spell it out. But you start with maybe three beginner tracks and a couple of cars in Arcade, but everything else is locked behind Driver level, which I guess can be accrued offline but only saved when online.
You want to race the Nurburgring offline? Have to be level 20.
So for anybody looking at the game's offline modes as something they could sink their teeth into without ever going online, it won't work. But I guess its there for short server downtimes or loss of connectivity?
Regardless, still looking forward to getting home, taking care of house stuff and then settling in for some more Circuit Experience runs
Nope. You could assume something based off a blog post a month ago, but it wasn't confirmed by any means whatsoever until 5 days ago when the online manual got posted, and you'd have to be keeping up. Like shit, I was super active in the preview threads and even I missed the news of progress not saving for offline stuff. Especially after PD sending out a notice during the demo indicating that the way the demo acts in regards to needing an online connection is not reflective of the game.
why would you want to gimp the game by not giving us arcade rewards to be used in online mode?
I mostly play time trials, and it would suck ass if time trials would not give me awards that can be used on online mode too.
Whole point now is that it is an RPG and that everything is tied. Everything you do at any point of the game is connected and it matters. This is good.
For whatever crazy reason, you want it to be two separate pieces that are barely connected to each other.
I can understand people who dont have their PS tied to internet at all, then GTS is clearly not the game for them regardless of offline or online. There is simply no coherent campaign regardless.
But posting 100 posts an hour about online connection on online forums seems weird. You obviously have online. Whats the problem?
It is much better that both arcade and online racing modes are tied together and not separate parts.
eyeball_kid
Member
Yeah, I agree. I didn't even think about people who have zero access to an internet connection, but it would basically prohibit all unlocks. I have to imagine that percentage is small, but I'm sure it'll impact some.
How this can be a terrible year for racing games when theres plenty of great ones? Cant follow your logic
HighResTomato
Member
The threads on here and twitter when PSN goes down during the holidays
Dont make up random crap I would appreciate hat.
Umm.. no. My point was that the only thing that truly matters for online play is the SR system. The value of credits has already decreased in the game due to the game throwing cars at you left and right and some people randomly getting the fastest car in the game within the first hour.
If modding a save file to get the max credits is the reason they decided to put the gamesaves online only, then it's an extremely poor one. They could've still kept a system that saved your progress of earning credits offline that carried over to the online portion. The online races are class-based, SR based, and have limitations on them anyways, so it's not like it's going to make much of a difference if someone maxes out their car level earlier via modding than compared to somebody else who's also managed to max out their car via playing. Especially when races automatically downgrade cars to the appropriate levels if they're above it. If they suck at driving they'll be in the lower SR races anyways.
King_Richard
Member
It's a racing MMO basically. I see nothing wrong. I know it's a big departure from the other games in the series, but I don't mind.
It's an online focused game that's not made by blizzard, so obviously people will lose their shit.
MajorPoopStorm
Banned
What a shitshow. This plus you cannot cancel preorder or get a refund on PSN... Guess a lot of players wont be happy.
It's a new entry in a series that has never had this kind of limitations before. Very different from the shitty Overwatch/Blizzard comparisons people are making.
Really, it's not that hard to see that limiting progress while offline is a little bit too much, specially because servers are bound to be down and you will loose all progress.
I think people who can post something here don't have to care so much about this thing immediately, because you all may already have a internet connection...
of course there is some risks like Server　down and I lost some progression by it in the demo...
GT is a really huge IP, and there are lot of people buy the game because this is GT(and not so keen about info), so I'm sad for seeing some people lost interest for GTS by this news.
of course there is some risks like Server　down and I lost some progression by it in the demo...
GT is a really huge IP, and there are lot of people buy the game because this is GT(and not so keen about info), so I'm sad for seeing some people lost interest for GTS by this news.
But there was a demo..
Outrun
Member
Forza too?
This shit in general is unacceptable.
This industry is fucked.
Playing FM7 and being bombarded with loot boxes, hearing the SW Visceral news, Activision steering people to loot boxes...
What a fucking depressing time...
jellies_two
Member
Don't wait to hear how the actual released game stability is from anyone or anything sensible like that.
MajorPoopStorm
Banned
privitsan02
Member
Does that matter if the core aspects and important features (like saving) of the game being online only bothers him?
Sweet Bellic
Member
Except the game won't be replayable once the servers inevitably go down. Offline save progress preserves the shelf life and, by extension, the replayability of this game you seem to love. Hence, why it is so perplexing that fans of the game like you are dismissive, or indifferent, to the issue. To put things in perspective, consider that, in the future, your grandkids will still be able to play SMB, a game from 1985, but not GT:Sport, a game from 2017. These practices are an affront to game preservation and won't be supported by people who care about that kind of thing, like me.
Jeff Freecss
Member
I think there are some interesting business strategy shift here.
Sony becomes the early winner of this generation largely because they are the ones that told fans they rejected the always online or heavily online future. So now many of their hardcore fans are thoes single player, physical hardcopy fundamentalist.
Now that the biggest Sony exclusive is pushing that always online future, I am curious how the fans will react after the launch. Sony do own the mainstream audience though. They might not care like those fundamentalists do.
Personally, online features always make games more engaging for me so I am not against them. Maybe that's why I own an Xbox One, though.
By the way, for reference, although Xbox Live Gold is not needed, because of the customizing feature, You can't buy cars in Forza Horizon 3 if you're offline either.
Sony becomes the early winner of this generation largely because they are the ones that told fans they rejected the always online or heavily online future. So now many of their hardcore fans are thoes single player, physical hardcopy fundamentalist.
Now that the biggest Sony exclusive is pushing that always online future, I am curious how the fans will react after the launch. Sony do own the mainstream audience though. They might not care like those fundamentalists do.
Personally, online features always make games more engaging for me so I am not against them. Maybe that's why I own an Xbox One, though.
By the way, for reference, although Xbox Live Gold is not needed, because of the customizing feature, You can't buy cars in Forza Horizon 3 if you're offline either.
chromatic9
Member
No but probably channelled through a Don Mattrick effigy.
isaacnukem
Member
How can people compare this to the initial Xbox One reveal? That thing was the whole console. This is a game. You can choose to ignore it. They have Driveclub, Project Cars 1 and 2, and probably a few more for those wanting an offline fix. I am as disappointed as the next guy with the direction this series has taken but you're all making it out as a harbinger of doom. Let's just ignore all the other single player titles Sony put out then, because I'm sure the Last of Us 2 will always be online.
Outrun
Member
GT has pedigree though...
jellies_two
Member
Then don't present it as "A plus B is too much" when A isn't yet defined to be a thing. Crashes in a beta are expected. That's why it's a beta.
wumster3000
Member
Well its Gran Turismo is why.
GT has always had a single player mode, along with an online mode. The thinking is, why not keep the single player mode that has netted you millions in sales, while adding a robust multiplayer mode. Theyve had 4 years to do so.
Edit:
The series has almost 80 million in total sales. This is probably Sonys best selling franchise and one of the main reasons why a lot of people purchase a PlayStation. This game was mostly sold on the single player aspect.
Im not bothered by this as much as some, but I completely understand their viewbpoint.
isaacnukem
Member
While I lament its loss, it seems that they focused all their efforts into the online aspects of the game. Maybe if we rabble rouse a bit more, then we'll get it at some point.
I'm still actually waiting for Driveclub to get a complete edition.
You could also choose to not buy the Xbox because you had Playstation and Nintendo as alternatives
But much like why that is not a good option as what makes Xbox unique are its exculsives or infrastructure, GT is similarly unique in terms of its gameplay. None of the alternatives play like it. I've tried, they simply don't and I don't like them as a result.
The franchise has a history, and I grew up with it. I don't consider this a indicator of the things to come with other Sony titles, but I am still super frustrated and disappointed with the game that does so much right yet gets a few big things wrong, enough to basically force me to not get it due to principle alone. And I will criticize the game for it rather than letting it go whenever the subject comes up. Voicing our opinions and criticisms is the only way to get things changed.
The cut down single player was already a big issue for me, enough so that I was going to treat this like a prologue and buy it at a similar pricepoint once the official MSRP dropped to it, but this online requirement unfortunately makes it fall into the "not buying till changed" category for me (I am strictly against online being required for things that don't justify it and have skipped out on games already due to that), and it legit stings because I've been waiting for a new GT game for 6 years now (I skipped GT6 because of PS4, and the rumors and interviews hinting at a PS4 port for that game).
While it's not too surprising GT Sport is this way considering they always said it would be a far more online focused title, I'm still gonna skip it and hope Gran Turismo 7 has a more robuts single player mode that doesn't require online by the time it releases on PlayStation 6.
Luckydog
Member
Right, except a BS hidden always online requirement is given a pass this time.. ...
staticneuron
Member
Only people that have literally not paid any attention to what was being said about the game. I made the choice to skip the game ALONG time ago when they confirmed traditional campaign mode was out. The online and competitive focus sealed the deal. They didn't hide the focus of the game at all.
PD released 3 GT games in less than 7 years i think people should drop the long development time joke, GT5 went through development hell and it was the only exception.
except for the last few months where they turned there strategy and seeing promoting campaign as an equivalent to past games with Kaz on record saying 85% of the game experience is offline.
And no, we didn't know about progress not being saved in offline modes without a connection until 5 days ago, even if you were paying attention.
Come on now, including gt5 without including it's development time is super disingenuous. It's been 13 years for 3 mainline entries. Removing it makes it 7 years for 2 games, one of which was building upon the development laid out by GT5, and released 4 years ago.
Let's hope that the "future-proofing" this time around is actually future proof.
It is an online focused game made by a company who just shut down their latest release game before reaching one full year of release lol.