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Gran Turismo Sport - Review Thread
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Contents get added to it in the long run no?
Yautja_Warrior
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I think the point is more content is coming, it's not going to be stuck with this amount of content in the long term.
Actually, I was wrong. That's the back of the car. It is turning right. I assumed it was the front of the car and turning left. The forces on the tire remain similar, though.
Regardless of which way the car is turning or even going straight, the flex is still wrong.
TylerDurden4321
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They didn't mean visually. They're talking about the feel of approaching the peak slip angle / slip ratio and how you feel it in the steering and especially what the car does a little over the peak and then far over the peak.
In reality you can feel the maximum self-alignment moment on the steering wheel before the maximum slip angle, on a slick tire the wheel actually becomes already ~10% lighter in force when you're at the highest lateral grip. This feeling of flex is not there in GTS, making it harder to drive when you're used to other sims. The tires feel a bit like "solid rubber" that way.
Also GTS's fall-off over the limit especially for combined slip (lateral and longitudinal at the same time) is fairly harsh. This is even more unrealistic for grooved tires.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Isnt the point that its been in development for a long time, and that it should have more right now, not soon?
You'd think that after how long it's been in development, it would have more content than it currently does. Let's cast out minds back at a LAUNCH racer this gen that got grilled for its comparative lack of content to it's predecessors.
Don't think this works here
Yautja_Warrior
Member
4 years isn't that long for AAA game development these days really and they did start from scratch, it's not like they just improved upon GT5 and GT6 or like Turn 10 has been doing with Forza for the last few games.
This is a new foundation for GT now and they will use this to expand on for future updates for the game or even the next GT game, depending on how popular GT Sport becomes.
Reviews are based on what is released. If game lacks of content, it lacks of content. Eventually, when new cars and tracks got released, score can be updated.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
4 years is a hell of a long time when thats the only game the studio is making.
Forza 5 was build from the ground. For the most part. Nothing is ever totally brand new.
GTR R35_Supra RZ
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Fredrik
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Same goes for every other racer so it'll still be relatively low on content for a dev time this long.
SolarMystic
Member
Has there been any outline of what is to come?
Based on their dlc support for previous games I'm not very optimistic, but I hope I'm wrong.
BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
There are other console racers set up as a service platform?
Gamespot review wont come until November
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/our-gran-turismo-review-wont-hit-until-november-he/1100-6454198/
IISANDERII
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It doesn't matter what you think, it matters that real racing teams hire players from GT to race their cars.
It was only like 4 or 5 first day not many atleast.
I both respect and totally balk at the special treatment of waiting a month to give a finalized review of a game, only in the sense that it's a protocol that can and should apply to every game, but also makes reviews less useful to launch-window buyers who might rely on them in the first place. And doubly-so for a service platform style game, where that later review could just as easily end up out-of-date if (for a random example) service disruptions cause problems.
sublimit
Banned
Am i the only one that the thought of treating single player content as an afterthought by adding it on a later date rubs me the wrong way?
I really don't want to support this mindset for a GT game so i'll probably not buy the game even when they do add a proper carrer mode later on.
If i buy it then it is like i congratulate them to do the same thing with the next GT as well.
I really don't want to support this mindset for a GT game so i'll probably not buy the game even when they do add a proper carrer mode later on.
If i buy it then it is like i congratulate them to do the same thing with the next GT as well.
TylerDurden4321
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But the guys who are fast in racing games are usually fast across the board. Someone who is fast in GT games, is fast in Forza, fast in rFactor and fast in Driveclub after getting accustomed to each game.
GT is used in no professional context, unlike rFactor (Pro), Assetto Corsa (Pro) and iRacing(mostly for cheap track learning by lower class teams, as all tracks are laserscanned and it has good support for professional sim gear).
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
Smart decision, there's no way this disgusting new trend should be supported..especially most likely they will have a nerve charging for some of the content that was supposed to be there in the first place...4 yrs, folks..incredible.
Unknown?
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Sure but many were day 2 or 3 which is equally as bad. For once I respect a choice by GameSpot but I generally dont agree with many of their reviews.
Cock of War
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I love Giant Bomb. I love Jeff G., feel like I know the guy, his sensibilities, after all these years (GameSpot). I love the GT series since GT2 which converted me from a pog to a PS fanboy for a couple of years. I've been hyped for GTS, especially after the demo/beta, and have enjoyed it immensely since it released
When I saw there was a GTS quicklook I thought to myself: "probably gonna be Jeff, probably not gonna be his cup of tea as most recently affirmed by the Forza 7 quicklook."
After watching the GTS quicklook I was not surprised. I still love everything I mentioned earlier. I'm having a hard time understanding what the brouhaha is all about.
When I saw there was a GTS quicklook I thought to myself: "probably gonna be Jeff, probably not gonna be his cup of tea as most recently affirmed by the Forza 7 quicklook."
After watching the GTS quicklook I was not surprised. I still love everything I mentioned earlier. I'm having a hard time understanding what the brouhaha is all about.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Other than the aim for upto 500 cars and more tracks, there is no road map for DLC yet.
I'm not worried about all that personally though, I'm having a blast with the game as is right now but it's designed as a game as a service and PD are more focused with this, so don't see why they won't support it.
Unless it's a sales flop of course.
seattle6418
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It doesnt mean what youre trying to prove here.
Myself and others play GT Academy because its the big competition that gives you the opportunity to race for real. Has nothing to do with being the most realistic racer ever.
Sim racers flock from competition to competition because thats where the chances are.
Of course the basics of going fast apply on any sim, so the overlap between games is normal.
Arnoud Lacombe is just as fast as he was in GT in pcars and assetto, racing fans play all types of games and compete very well in them.
The fact that people that are good in GT can have a career in real racing is not a proof that GT is the most realistic sim and thats why gamers can turn into racers.
BBQ_of_DOOM
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Weird, it's almost like GameSpot wants to measure the game against PD's goals and intentions.
Weird.
Fredrik
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Nah, if they fix it's content problems then I'll be there for sure and so should everybody else who want the serie and it's classic SP content to survive in the long run. But so far it's online focused and I don't even have PS+ so there is basically no game there at this point for me, buying it now would be dumb. Plus, this is a classic vote with your wallet situation. They need to see a sales spike when they add the content people scream for, otherwise that content will be gone forever in the future. Use your vote/money wisely.
Probably still going to get a 7 or 8
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Well at least they are giving it a fair shot, they clearly think it's worth giving a chance to shine, instead of just sticking a lower score on it.
Good move Gamespot.
BBQ_of_DOOM
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I'd rather a 7 or 8 on the merits than a 7 or 8 because it doesn't wax nostalgic.
No doubt the final review will mention past games.
BBQ_of_DOOM
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If they were going to rely on that--like some have--then there'd be no reason to delay the review. And a mention is fine; reliance is not, IMO.
Doubt it would be a major focus but no doubt will effect the score in the end. GTs legacy is just too big for it not to for better or worse.
Fredrik
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wax nostalgics? I don't like this attitude. This game serie has been there since the PS1 days and many of us has played every iteration, I know there are some who always complain how the campaign mode is made but millions of us love the serie BECAUSE its made that way. I get that some of you love online gaming, but please, don't expect everyone else to do so too. And don't use that negative attitude toward the fans who loved the old GT and essentially made this serie survive this long. Hype the online gameplay all you want, but could you please do that without shitting on the classic GT gameplay millions of us are still longing for?
MegaSackman
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Sounds good since it's november when championships starts.
Good call. I'd much rather see a full review that takes sport mode into account than a quick look.
Rain City Gamer
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I think it is great that Gamespot is taking time to review the game. Wish more outlets would do this.
The review is a permanent mark on the game, no matter how much they change, fix, update, after release it will always be a 7/10 or 8/10, etc. So I would rather they wait and do it right.
A launch review has no bearing on the current state of the game as a buyer 6 months later (Especially Online focused games). I wish sites would Re-Review certain games months later to update impressions. I understand the ramifications of this (Like devs/pubs not pushing to release the best product knowing they can get an upgraded score later) but I think in the end it would be best for the game and for the consumer if reviews were approached in this fashion. Driveclub is a poster child for this as it is a GREAT racing game that was much improved 3-6 months after launch. but lives the with scarlet-letter launch date reviews.
The review is a permanent mark on the game, no matter how much they change, fix, update, after release it will always be a 7/10 or 8/10, etc. So I would rather they wait and do it right.
A launch review has no bearing on the current state of the game as a buyer 6 months later (Especially Online focused games). I wish sites would Re-Review certain games months later to update impressions. I understand the ramifications of this (Like devs/pubs not pushing to release the best product knowing they can get an upgraded score later) but I think in the end it would be best for the game and for the consumer if reviews were approached in this fashion. Driveclub is a poster child for this as it is a GREAT racing game that was much improved 3-6 months after launch. but lives the with scarlet-letter launch date reviews.
BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
I'm not shitting on the classic GT game play. Those games still exist, and there are 6 of them--13 if you count whatever Forza has done with the CaRPG/Car Pokemon formula.
The game I purchased isn't GT1-6 and it should be treated for what it is. If legacy/pedigree come in, fine, but that by no means should be the overarching theme of the review--because then you're not reviewing the game itself.
Crayon
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Here you but on the other hand, if people can buy the game today, they should be able to read a review today. The Gamespot review could be better informed a month from now, and the early reviews could be essentially outdated at that time, but that's the nature of the beast. There are no rules.
Bits N Pieces
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The anticipation of waiting to see if the Gamespot review will be positive or negative will be palpable, lol.
It just interesting that they are willing to wait to experience one of the goals of the games
That's what hope does to ya. With all the things happening in Nov, no one is going to give a ship about GS lone Nov GTS review.
Tomeru
Member
He raplied to apost that says GT is not a sim racer. Nothing about being most realistic. If racing teams would check out NFS players, that quote would have legs. GT is a sim racer, as you appear to agree with.
NullPointer
Member
This era of static review scores needs to come to an end anyhow. Its fast becoming useless for any online/service/updated games.
They could put their score for the game as it currently stands and update it down the line. That would be of more use to all involved I think.
Yup.
But everything is fine because we're all online 99% of the time so we can post on GAF. Deal with it, make a sandwich etc.
Fredrik
Member
This always happen when a long going and/or classic game serie change it's direction. Expecting something else is weird. In this case it's perfectly logical that the new direction is questioned and critizised. Both because the reviewers are most likely fans of the old games and because they're reviewing how the new direction fits the franchise just as much as the game itself in it's current state.