MightyHedgehog
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Nah. Pokemon's still making out well with its specialized form of incompleteness, right?sp0rsk said:
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GTAIV episodic content officially now Xbox 360 exclusive thx to SCAT MONEY
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PhoenixDark
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sp0rsk said:
That's never been an issue with other 360 games so why would it magically occur for GTA? The game gets so much media attention that by the time the game comes out everyone will know what's offered, and make their decision. Personally I think they'll choose the 360 version in droves due to the price
BenjaminBirdie
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Ploid 3.0 said:
It's not about the content itself, it's about the stamp on the box. Same as Guitar Hero II. Walk into a store, one box is going to have nothing, one box is going to have "Exclusive Downloadable Content". 90% of the people who buy it (I think that's how the GHII download numbers worked out) probably won't even buy that stuff, but it just gives MS a visual advantage at the Point Of Sale.
I kind of doubt it will hinder 360 sales of the game. The 360 version of GHII is still in the top ten, selling fine, with no perception of users buying a gimped version only to plumped up by DLC.
I figure most people will see the word Exclusive and swing towards the 360 version just so they know they won't be missing out on anything, even if they never touch the DLC.
Scottlarock
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totally depends on how well it is advertised, if the retail version comes out, it will be on the 360 only. People will see it as a new game... how well did the ps2 versions of the psp games sell?sp0rsk said:
PhoenixDark said:
Because additional content isn't usually advertised. On top of that most of the people who buy GTA aren't the hardcore xbox fans.
I'm willing to bet this will be the worst selling GTA simply because it's on Next-gen systems.
I bet Halo 3 outsells GTA. I wonder if 360 fans are even that excited for GTA.
Hitler Stole My Potato
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Merovingian
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dfyb said:
What makes me think is MS banking alot of money on this. Only makes sense for it to also come on discs.
Ninja Scooter
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Merovingian said:
they might also be banking on it being a huge coup for Xbox Live, and forcing people to use the service.
BenjaminBirdie
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sp0rsk said:
1) GHII advertises it right on the box, and it's been in every GHII 360 ad I've seen. I wouldn't be surprised if MS ponied of the cash for some MicroMachines guy to say "360VersionIncludesExclusiveDownloadableContent" at the end of the commercial. If the commercial ends with "Jump In", well, I can't remember, did the other GTA commercials end with the PS logo?
2) I agree with that, absolutely.
3) It might outsell GTA but I think a LOT of people are excited for GTA, considering how crazy the internet went for the trailers and how nuts it goes for any and all new magazine article details. I think GAMERS are psyched for GTA, 360 owners or whoever.
Merovingian
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sp0rsk said:
No shit...Yeah i wonder....
Ninja Scooter said:
Sure. But i don't see the point. You don't have to be gold member to buy shit from live, and many people won't have their consoles online enabled so, i think they will leverage this more as a system seller than a Xbox live Seller.
Ninja Scooter
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Merovingian said:
yeah but it gets people online and downloading content, which is what MS wants. If they can get a few thousands Live noobs online just for GTA, who knows maybe those people will buy an picture pack or an XBLA game or two while they're there.
davepoobond
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halo is going to decimate GTAIV sales because of a couple reasons:
1) 2 versions of the game on the same day = split sales
2) even when you combine them it won't be as much as Halo 3 since...well, its Halo 3.
3) even though its technically available to more people than Halo 3, the larger userbase (xbox360) has not been pining for GTAIV every single day since the end of Halo 2.
but i think GTAIV will have longer legs than Halo 3 -- meaning it'll keep selling at a higher rate for longer relative to Halo 3 which will have its load bursted in the beginning
1) 2 versions of the game on the same day = split sales
2) even when you combine them it won't be as much as Halo 3 since...well, its Halo 3.
3) even though its technically available to more people than Halo 3, the larger userbase (xbox360) has not been pining for GTAIV every single day since the end of Halo 2.
but i think GTAIV will have longer legs than Halo 3 -- meaning it'll keep selling at a higher rate for longer relative to Halo 3 which will have its load bursted in the beginning
Also, the masses are most likely going to look at the content and see it as a net positive as well. They will get the version that costs them the least amount money while at the same time many will say this content will be an option that will be there at the end of the day for them. Ultimately, they get the full game for cheaper and get to look forward to extended content if they so choose. Choice is a wonderful thing.
BenjaminBirdie
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bud said:
Hey, I didn't say it WILL.
And also, I really don't think GTA excitement is just system wars posturing. It's a multiplatform game. There's no way that just System Wars interest would crash a website.
At least, I don't think so.
PhoenixDark
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sp0rsk said:
I still fail to see how that will "damage" the 360 version; if anything's going to damage the game's sells it'll be the PS3's price. It's going to outsell the PS3 version by default, just as Halo 3 will outsell GTAIV on the 360 (that's not a slight on the PS3, the 360 simply has the larger userbase). Many GTA fans definitely aren't xbots, but I would expect many to jump in this holiday season due to the price, and I'd bet the numbers will reflect that.
Will it be the worse selling GTA? Of course, once again due to use bases. The 360 has a 10 million + userbase but not all of those people will buy the game, just as the 90 million + PS2 users didn't all buy the previous GTA games. I think the game is going to have a Pokemon Diamond/Pearl effect; while the DS was definitely a success even before Pokemon's arrival, that game ensured that the GBA crowd would migrate to the DS. I think GTA is going to cause a similar effect with many casual PS2 fans who clearly haven't bought the 360 or PS3 yet.
Scottlarock
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xbox fans got the gta games 6 months to a year late, were there gta fans on playstation 1? and halo 3 will outsell gta, but halo selling 4-5 million and gta 360 selling 2-3 million bad somehow?sp0rsk said:
BenjaminBirdie
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davepoobond said:
3 actually. One of them twice the price of the other. (Ouch, that smarts when you type it up like that. :lol )
BenjaminBirdie
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Scottlarock said:
I would honestly surmise that maybe fourteen Xbox users did not also have a PS2, and got GTA: SA on Day One. I know I did.
Scottlarock
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sp0rsk said:
Scottlarock
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I was a teamxbox junkie back then, xbots wanted this game like crazy. I bought a ps2 for this game, I was not alone.BenjaminBirdie said:
edit: talking about GTA III not GTA:SA
Maxwell House
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For $50M, I am sure that Rockstar not only agreed that the 2 episodes would always be 360 exclusive, but that they also wouldn't create any exclusive episodes for PS3 either (even if different from the 360 ones).
I'd be surprised if MS didn't make sure that PS3 would get nothing further from Rockstar in terms of GTA IV. $50M will buy you that sort of exclusivity.
I'd be surprised if MS didn't make sure that PS3 would get nothing further from Rockstar in terms of GTA IV. $50M will buy you that sort of exclusivity.
Except it didn't I think. Peter Moore was asked once about any DLC for GTA4 appearing on PS3 and he answeed it's up to Sony. I might look for that interview if quote is needed.Maxwell House said:
edit:actually I found that interview and Moore didn't necessarily mean that there isn't any deal between MS and R* that would eclude DLC on PS3, but he answered the way to show Live's superiority
Scottlarock
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it is one less selling point for the PS3, can you imagine if the PS3 had it exclusive and no comment came from taketwo for six months until the 360 release? PS3 fans would have it listed with the other games they have listed for winter, and it being the biggest greatest reason to get a ps3. 360 fans not only get it same time ( a first!) but exclusive content too.drohne said:
Beer Monkey
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If you are really hardcore you have to get all the systems this gen so this is really no big deal.
Vice City sold 13 million copies so if I were publishing IV I'd want way more than $50 million to consider making the entire game exclusive.
Halo 3 definitely has a good chance of outselling IV given current PS3 sales.
Vice City sold 13 million copies so if I were publishing IV I'd want way more than $50 million to consider making the entire game exclusive.
Halo 3 definitely has a good chance of outselling IV given current PS3 sales.
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sp0rsk said:
Like I said I'm 100% sure they took Staten Island out of the game to make it downloadable content when they realized MS was willing to pay enough to get real additional content, and they built it from that.
And no Halo will never outsell GTA.
you don't really think things through, do you? i'm saying it might be impossible to have it on discs. how do you have episodic GTAIV content on a disc? GTAIV is on the original GTAIV disc, which would be unaccessible if you have a GTAIV episodic content disc in your drive. and if they did put the entire game + extra content on the same disc (assuming it would fit on a DVD), people could just wait for that.Merovingian said:
edit: if MS really wanted to put the episodic content on store shelves, i guess they could do a card similar to the XBL cards. you go plug in the serial and start downloading it. for people without credit cards i guess.
Beer Monkey
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It won't appear on disc until it is a combined GOTY release or something of that nature. Even if you said 'HDD Required' and had an install, putting it on disc doesn't work well because people would share the discs. I have friends who mailed an OXM disc around just so that they could all install the 'Chapter 2' content for GRAW.
siamesedreamer
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I don't think "exclusive episodic content" will be nearly as big of a deal as the $200 price discrepency.
Either way, MS wins.......
Either way, MS wins.......
disappeared
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So do I buy GTAIV for my cool and quiet and BRD-may-be-nice-for-moar-dataz PS3 - sans extra content, or my hot and loud-as-a-tractor-and-might-red ring-at-any-moment 360 - with extra content?
Decisions, decisions...
Decisions, decisions...
that's even more "out there" than my GTAIVcard idea. that's more manufacturing and materials -- and all for a throwaway disc. and it has the problems mentioned in beermonkey's post below.Tobor said:
i have a feeling GTAIV is going to be squeezing into a DVD. unless the episodic content is just extra missions or something that don't add any more art assets or acreage, there's a good chance that GTAIV + episodes will not fit on the disc.beermonkey@tehbias said:
Beer Monkey
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captive said:
I don't know why anybody thinks that MS would be that eager to have it on a disc anyway. Sure, it's a larger customer base, but then it isn't a selling point for Live, where even 'Silver' accounts can make them big money through other microtransactions. It is in Microsoft's best interest to make Live a very strong draw, and this will help. This thing will get people to make sure they hook their systems up to the 'net. Some will even buy the official $99 wireless adapter, I bet the profits are real nice on those. :lol
ZombieSupaStar
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Cubsfan23 said:
??? gta has always outsold halo i thought?
speculawyer
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ZombieSupaStar said:
Well, yes up until the 'stories' versions. It will be interesting to see how much GTA 4 sells compared to Halo 3. The hype for Halo 3 is off the charts . . . Amazon seems to be selling tons of those $129.99 versions with the plastic helmet.
GTA 4 has the advantage of being on two platforms, but the xbox 360 has the much bigger installed base (and growing).
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