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GTX 970/980 replaced by Pascal with GDDR5X at Computex

Akoi

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I have a feeling we won't see a Titanx/980ti replacement until 2017. There was a 2 year gap last time.

If the 980M replacement is way faster than the 980M, I might just have to bite...
 

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I have a feeling we won't see a Titanx/980ti replacement until 2017. There was a 2 year gap last time.

I hope that's not the case. We need more power to run high-end games at 4K, 980Ti SLI isn't nearly enough.
 

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Am I reading this right? This is saying that the new 970 replacement will be close to the current 980ti in performance? That's quite a leap.
 

Akoi

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I hope that's not the case. We need more power to run high-end games at 4K, 980Ti SLI isn't nearly enough.

The Titan/780 came out a year after the 680, and the titanx/980ti came out a year after the 980.

If the trend continues it won't be this year since they usually release their higher end cards once the silicon matures a bit, and this time they are playing with a newer manufacturing tech 16nm. I wouldn't bet on a true 980ti successor this year, maybe something a little faster but nothing huge.

plus I'd like another year to save :D I can't justify dropping $700 a year on GPUs.
 

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"That Nvidia is aiming at Computex could be interpreted as their partner gets free reign to demonstrate self-designed solutions in place."

What the fuck does this sentence mean?
It means a hard launch in the end of May with partners showing their non-reference boards during Computex which will be held on May 31 - June 4. Meaning that it won't be a May launch with availability some time in August.

Am I reading this right? This is saying that the new 970 replacement will be close to the current 980ti in performance? That's quite a leap.

Just some guesses, nobody knows. But since this is a process switch it's theoretically possible.
 

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I cant wait to see how this stacks up against AMDs Polaris. Once we have enough benchmarks from both vendors i will pick up my "new" 970...be it from Nvidia or AMD.
 
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As a 980m owner I can 100% agree. It'd such a beast for it being just a laptop gpu

I love the power of those chips but I don't think I can bring myself to use a 17" laptop. I'd be happy if they got a 15" one in like an XPS15 chassis that looks and feels great with like a 970m Pascal equivalent. If they could get a 980m level of power in a 960-970m level thermal envelope, that would be very tempting.

Surface Book 2 with an x50m class instead of x40m class dGPU would also be a tempting replacement for my SB1.
 

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I really want to move on from my 760 this year, but I don't want to have to spend $400 to do it. If that's where the "1070" goes then I'll probably wait for the "1060" and just hope it doesn't take all the way into 2017 and it get's me roughly 970-level performance.
 

Akoi

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I love the power of those chips but I don't think I can bring myself to use a 17" laptop. I'd be happy if they got a 15" one in like an XPS15 chassis that looks and feels great with like a 970m Pascal equivalent. If they could get a 980m level of power in a 960-970m level thermal envelope, that would be very tempting.

Surface Book 2 with an x50m class instead of x40m class dGPU would also be a tempting replacement for my SB1.

Sager/clevo makes pretty nice 15" laptops that have 980m's in them (pretty thin too) and I'm pretty sure the 980m replacement will probably use a similar chassis. (I own the 980m 15")
 

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They're replacing the 980Ti?

That was not assumed originally. the rumors said only the 970/980. Can't wait
 

Relique

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It means a hard launch in the end of May with partners showing their non-reference boards during Computex which will be held on May 31 - June 4. Meaning that it won't be a May launch with availability some time in August.



Just some guesses, nobody knows. But since this is a process switch it's theoretically possible.

If I can get 980ti performance for $350-$400 I will lose my shit (my money.) I am one of the 1080p plebs so a 980ti will set me up for a long time.
 
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Sager/clevo makes pretty nice 15" laptops that have 980m's in them (pretty thin too) and I'm pretty sure the 980m replacement will probably use a similar chassis. (I own the 980m 15")

I'm spoiled by the ridiculously good Surface Book and XPS13/15 build quality and trackpads. If I was on a tight budget and wanted the best bang for buck gaming laptop that's something I'd consider.
 

Akoi

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I'm spoiled by the ridiculously good Surface Book and XPS13/15 build quality and trackpads. If I was on a tight budget and wanted the best bang for buck gaming laptop that's something I'd consider.

Yeah I built mine for a really good deal (my father is an official Sager reseller) you'd be surprised on the build quality (it's pretty good) I really like the brushed aluminum on it.(the newer 15" Slim's with no CD-ROM drive are really nice)

Track pads aren't my thing honestly especially on a gaming laptop (I own a surface 3 and Toshiba Chromebook for my non gaming laptops)

But if you are looking for a amazing bang for the buck look no further.
 

dr_rus

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I thought Pascal was going to debut HBM2?
It will. The bigger one, which will be used for Tesla HPC market, Pascal Titan and whatever the top end Ti card will be called this time. This one won't come to gaming market anytime soon though. Partially because we're five months away from HBM2 production start.

If I can get 980ti performance for $350-$400 I will lose my shit (my money.) I am one of the 1080p plebs so a 980ti will set me up for a long time.
Buying a new videocard right now isn't a good decision anyway, we're literally a couple of months away from a big process switch to 16 and 14nm.
 

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is HBM2 confirmed as off the cards (no pun intended) for Pascal now?
We kind of discussed this in an earlier thread but it seems like the cards being released first run on GDDR5x,- significant step up from
GDDR5 but not "full" HBM2. HBM2 is rumored for closer to early 2017
 

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It will. The bigger one, which will be used for Tesla HPC market, Pascal Titan and whatever the top end Ti card will be called this time. This one won't come to gaming market anytime soon though. Partially because we're five months away from HBM2 production start.


Buying a new videocard right now isn't a good decision anyway, we're literally a couple of months away from a big process switch to 16 and 14nm.

I'll wait a little more but this news is very very exciting. Didn't expect such a good jump for the midrange cards. Summer should be exciting.
 

Akoi

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I was just about to buy a 970m-equipped laptop, should I wait?

Wait, laptops are more expensive to replace than just a desktop video card.(unless you are buying a laptop with a replaceable video card) and are most likely going to benefit from the nm drop more than their desktop counterparts.
 
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We kind of discussed this in an earlier thread but it seems like the cards being released first run on GDDR5x,- significant step up from
GDDR5 but not "full" HBM2. HBM2 is rumored for closer to early 2017

Ah gotcha. That kind of plays into my situation pretty well then. Dived on a 970 late after growing tired of the delays and decided to wait for Volta. Been debating sticking to x70 editions for a while unless the prices change so hopefully Volta will get HBM2 in more cards. No doubt I'll be fighting the urge hard once the Pascal x80ti benchmarks start rolling in though.
 

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Am I reading this right? This is saying that the new 970 replacement will be close to the current 980ti in performance? That's quite a leap.

Well, the 970 performs more or less the same as a 780 Ti, I don't think it's too far-fetched.
 

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Well, the 970 performs more or less the same as a 780 Ti, I don't think it's too far-fetched.

Both 970 and 780ti were on the same nose as well. We're getting a new architecture and a new node so expectations should be high.
 

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We're getting a new architecture and a new node so expectations should be high.

That plus I think VR will get Nvidia and AMD to push the performance quite a bit from what we are used to see from a generation jump. The next 2-3 years we should see quite some big jumps compared to the last 5 years but that's just a guess of course.
 

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To wait for Big Pascal or not.

Probably will wait, I'm gaming on 1080p anyway so I'd rather get the monitor first now and then go about looking for the Biggie.
 

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I just built a new computer with a 970 about a month ago. Darn it. However I've been without a gaming PC for the last 5 years so going from PS4 to the 970 is still a massive upgrade that I'm really happy with. I'll hold off for a few years and then get a high end Pascal card when they're lower in price.

Still... slightly annoying but I guess you can never keep up with tech, especially on PC.
 

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Might wait till big Pascal to upgrade my 780. Not sure if it'll hold up till Volta. We'll see. Keen to see some benchmarks
 

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If they bring out a 980TI replacement and it's a great deal (20-30%) faster, I'm most likely jump on board, the price doesn't feel so bad since I end up selling the best one from last release cycle anyway.

The main mistake I have to not do again is impulse buy and just get the stock cooler one, will hold out for Gigabyte G1 or whatever will be one of the top OC cards.
 

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I hope this means 970-level performance will drop to $200-$250, at least. Been waiting for price drops but since they're just laughing at AMD at this point I could be waiting for a very long time.
 

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I was going to resist this, but then my roommate said she wanted to build a PC and I figured I could help her out by giving her my 970 and upgrading to Pascal.

I'm a weak man, Nvidia. Just make it the same size as a 970 so it will fit in my m-ITX case and I'm on board.
 

Oxn

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I was going to resist this, but then my roommate said she wanted to build a PC and I figured I could help her out by giving her my 970 and upgrading to Pascal.

I'm a weak man, Nvidia. Just make it the same size as a 970 so it will fit in my m-ITX case and I'm on board.

Are you in love with her? Admit it.
 
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Be careful. That 970 can be easily traded for a one way ticket to, the friendzone.

I gave my 780 to my best friend for an IOU which I still haven't cashed in. He's a chef so maybe I can get some good meals out of it or something.

Promoting dat PC gaming