She starts off quite sympathetic. You need thick skin to handle public exposure and I could excuse a lot from someone who acknowledges when they don't have that and tries to do better.article said:By the time that guy came along, I was so tired of having random people explain my job to me in company spaces where I had to just smile and nod that it was like, ‘No. Not here. Not in my space.'
This is needless drama and misrepresenting the situation. While it is possible some companies in very specific circumstances would support an employee who had publicly clashed with a customer, that is the exception not the rule, and would only happen when the customer was very obviously in the wrong. Deroir was most certainly not in the wrong. She brought this on herself.She also discussed the chilling effect this may have on other ArenaNet employees:
“The message is very clear, especially to women at the company: if Reddit wants you fired, we’ll fire you,” she told Kotaku. “Get out there and make sure the players have a good time. And make sure you smile while they hit you.”
Lot of managers out there think it's ok to vent on people. Again she has my sympathy for that, but expecting him to "weather" a situation she created needlessly is pretty tone-deaf. As is that she is complaining about someone venting to her about problems she caused by "venting" publicly. Again, not defending the manager but she is not seeing the situation with a useful perspective here.“He fired me personally, and the meeting was mostly him venting his feelings at me,” she told The Verge. “I understand being afraid when you see the Reddit mob coming for you, but if people with less power can weather it—and we do, regularly—so can he.”
Outspoken people don't get it. They will be tolerated until they aren't anymore. That isn't people turning on and betraying them, that's what happens when they ignore all the warning signs until it's too late. Being tolerated doesn't mean learning to communicate professionally was never warranted, and it's mostly just an excuse to never grow up.Price commented on how she was treated at ArenaNet, saying that her outspoken social media habits were well-known and, until this incident, never a problem.
If that's how she goes through life, that's fair enough, she should simply come to expect that any job she gets is inevitably doomed. If speaking truth to power means that much to her who am I to tell her not to. I do think it's just self-indulgent wankery that doesn't accomplish anything though. I also don't think it accurately describes what she actually did. Deroir isn't "power." He is a streamer and she hit Submit when she shouldn't have. Employed people don't get to make that mistake, usually.According to Price, during her initial interview with ArenaNet she explained that she was "loud about these issues on social media and had no intention of shutting up." At the time, she says ArenaNet "reassured [her] that they 'admired [her] willingness to speak truth to power.'"
Damn, I was never too clear on the history between gaf and resetera. Never even considered leaving gaf when the shakeup happened, and was mostly puzzled about why this place seemed to have become so tolerant overnight. Now I understand. Some parts of the community are pretty radical in their defense of their ideals, and it seems to be largely that crowd who left.The Resetera Topic is already lit
What gets you banned and what doesn't:
Holy fucking shit at that ResetEra thread. I’m embarrassed I’ve even posted over there.
I got a 1-week ban for commenting on the level of overreaction to BFV.Holy fucking shit at that ResetEra thread. I’m embarrassed I’ve even posted over there.
If that's how she goes through life, that's fair enough, she should simply come to expect that any job she gets is inevitably doomed. If speaking truth to power means that much to her who am I to tell her not to. I do think it's just self-indulgent wankery that doesn't accomplish anything though. I also don't think it accurately describes what she actually did. Deroir isn't "power." He is a streamer and she hit Submit when she shouldn't have. Employed people don't get to make that mistake, usually.
TL;DR At the end of the day she's not awful by human standards. She made a mistake, paid the consequences and learned nothing from the experience. Ahhh humans.
a job as writer for WaypointThis is the second time in a row where she has spazzed out very publicly against her employer after they had to fire her for gross misconduct.
Once is a data point. Twice is a pattern.
She is a liability and time bomb at this point. I don't think she will get any job in the industry ever again
Wow, now that's a perfect fit. That's so good that it's hard to imagine it not happening.a job as writer for Waypoint
At this point she has to troll right?
Wow, now that's a perfect fit. That's so good that it's hard to imagine it not happening.
I am old, so I am not fully up to speed on all you youngster slang. When I hear Waypoint, I have never been to that site, but it sounds to me like Searchlight in FO3.
Is Waypoint similar to Searchlight in that they are both populated by mindless mutants that remember when they were humans and crave humanity so much they hunt and kill humans trying to
repent their sins and become real humans again?
I am old, so I am not fully up to speed on all you youngster slang. When I hear Waypoint, I have never been to that site, but it sounds to me like Searchlight in FO3.
Is Waypoint similar to Searchlight in that they are both populated by mindless mutants that remember when they were humans and crave humanity so much they hunt and kill humans trying to repent their sins and become real humans again?
She is never going to be hired in any big company again. She will never pass the background checks.
So self destructive. Hope she can eventually learn something from this and she is not screwed financially for too many years.
Naughty Dog, here we come.Anyone who does hire her is doing so out of sympathy for the situation and not because it’s a move that benefits the business.
That’s exactly how I see these guys and their ilk. I would bet my left nut, that if you had a private convo with most of them, you’d get a completely different story.
Just so spineless. I have zero respect for anyone like this.
And now imagine those sort of individuals in a position of actual power.
So far they've managed to overrun significant areas of academia (not the hard subjects) and large portions of the internet.
Dude just stop checking there the site is run by insane people.What did you expect it nearly ruined neogaf.Quick check back in to the Era thread, and it's getting worse. If you point out that Jessica has a history of doing this, then you're "A fucking creep" for looking at past tweets. Try to boil it down to the actual facts and you get accused of encouraging misogyny. Mansplaining narrative is still going strong as well. Smh, I can't believe I ever considered joining that place. An echo chamber of intollerant "Progressives".
Dude just stop checking there the site is run by insane people.What did you expect it nearly ruined neogaf.
Or just go there for the comedy of it.True. Need to stop doing it.
I’m already seeing the predictable defence force in the latest wave of podcasts.
The Giant Bomb guys stumbling and mumbling their way to the victim defence. It’s hilarious listening.
So completely gutless.
not surprising. They canceled a campy 4th of July video series with games like Oregon Trail because people cried over how evil america is.
I've fallen off Giant Bomb since their glory days.
I got a 1-week ban for commenting on the level of overreaction to BFV.
I'm pretty certain the irony of their action was lost on them.
Dude just stop checking there the site is run by insane people.What did you expect it nearly ruined neogaf.
Christ alive.
I just read Miss Price’s latest twitter update.
She’s unhinged.
The Resetera Topic is already lit
What gets you banned and what doesn't:
Can someone explain the first Banning? Cultural pejorative? I'm assuming they are talking about `womansplaining`, which is a terrible term. But no different than mansplaining. They ban for one but not the other? I mean, I guess my interpretation has to be right , but I just don't understand how thick your sunglasses have to be to miss the issue here.
One of the bans is mindblowing, because a guy with a bigger and better resume was actually fired to protect another writer whose ability you can actually question given the lackluster precedents, and yet only the latter was put on a pedestal, everybody in the media is asking about her being reinstated while the guy was kicked to the curb like he's a piece of s***.
Nearly?Dude just stop checking there the site is run by insane people.What did you expect it nearly ruined neogaf.
They're a fucking parody of themselves. Absolutely pathetic.Has anyone seen the thread on the other forum? Fuck me, it's a vile shit show over there.
They're a fucking parody of themselves. Absolutely pathetic.
Some development studio is going to hire her as "good" PR move. I'm almost positive.She is never going to be hired in any big company again. She will never pass the background checks.
So self destructive. Hope she can eventually learn something from this and she is not screwed financially for too many years.
I'm not really up on the the intricate details, so please jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, but if a woman and a man were both sacked over the same incident, I fail to see the sexism in the response to the incident.One of the bans is mindblowing, because a guy with a bigger and better resume was actually fired to protect another writer whose ability you can actually question given the lackluster precedents, and yet only the latter was put on a pedestal, everybody in the media is asking about her being reinstated while the guy was kicked to the curb like he's a piece of s***.
And I hope they make it public because I will gladly choose to avoid whatever games she works on. Nobody should treat other people the way she did, and especially not fans of your work.Some development studio is going to hire her as "good" PR move. I'm almost positive.
She might have possibly gotten a job later down the line as something put to one side of a company.Some development studio is going to hire her as "good" PR move. I'm almost positive.
Some development studio is going to hire her as "good" PR move. I'm almost positive.
Yeah......I'm really glad the shake up happened. They can stay over there and we can stay over here.Damn, I was never too clear on the history between gaf and resetera. Never even considered leaving gaf when the shakeup happened, and was mostly puzzled about why this place seemed to have become so tolerant overnight. Now I understand. Some parts of the community are pretty radical in their defense of their ideals, and it seems to be largely that crowd who left.
Especially that ban about "attempt to discredit feminism." How that reads to me is "anyone who does not share my exact sensibilities is trash." Reminds of that warframe mod who referred to a bunch of their users as "transphobic pieces of shit" for the Nezha trap meme. I get where they were coming from, and they probably see themselves as heroic, but I see this sort of thing as a slightly more humane form of self-indulgent toxicity. When alt-righters post about leftists being virtue signalling angry SJW's, people like the mods on resetera and the misandrist mod from Warframe are the kind of people who push them further into their entrenched bubbles and arm them with real things to be angry about.
It's funny how it's not just the us vs them political bullshit that left, but even the petty console wars seems to have died down substantially and allowed for proper discussions on videos games to actually happen. Interestingly enough, console wars are pretty much filling up almost every thread over there.Yeah......I'm really glad the shake up happened. They can stay over there and we can stay over here.
Quick check back in to the Era thread, and it's getting worse. If you point out that Jessica has a history of doing this, then you're "A fucking creep" for looking at past tweets. Try to boil it down to the actual facts and you get accused of encouraging misogyny. Mansplaining narrative is still going strong as well. Smh, I can't believe I ever considered joining that place. An echo chamber of intollerant "Progressives".
The discussion is pretty split, but I believe the big issue going on there is that those in favor of Price seem to be taking a pretty ridiculous stance by going so far as to unfairly say Deroir harassed her and label him a misogynist. There's a ridiculous level of mental gymnastics from some just to paint Jessica Price as the victim in all of this, despite her very clear and unsavoury attitude problems.It's not one-sided at all like you're making it out to be. Stop looking for sensationalist posts (the "fucking creep" poster you're referring to was banned, by the way) and maybe read some of the other ones? The debate is pretty split with tons of people not on the side of saying Price was discriminated against because of her gender or that Deroir is a GG'er or whatever.
As an aside, it's a bit sad to see every hot topic thread on GAF these days turn into a "let's look how Era is discussing the issue" discussion. It's eerily similar to that forum that started up years ago made up of banned GAF members who spent their time talking about how shitty GAF is and using dumb slurs like "NeoFAG."
It's not one-sided at all like you're making it out to be. Stop looking for sensationalist posts (the "fucking creep" poster you're referring to was banned, by the way) and maybe read some of the other ones? The debate is pretty split with tons of people not on the side of saying Price was discriminated against because of her gender or that Deroir is a GG'er or whatever.
So you wouldn't describe a style of moderation which systematically upholds one side of the argument, systematically bans members for politely daring to disagree with the official Party line as one-sided?
That's very interesting.
The discussion is pretty split, but I believe the big issue going on there is that those in favor of Price seem to be taking a pretty ridiculous stance by going so far as to unfairly say Deroir harassed her and label him a misogynist. There's a ridiculous level of mental gymnastics from some just to paint Jessica Price as the victim in all of this, despite her very clear and unsavoury attitude problems.