Gunman in New Zealand loose shooting up mosque and others

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Horrible and sad.

I have wondered that when will we begin seeing anti-muslim terrorism, it has seemed inevitable after radial islamist terrorism. It is convenient to write this off as a chan-loonie, but that would neglect the potential of these acts escalating into a modern type of civil guerilla war of our time.
 
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Wow RIP.

And what does Trump do he links to a Breitbart article, most likely one of the sites that radicalised these murderers. 8chan needs to go , that thread is still open and active with people still advocating for more violence.
This is so horrible. Prayers for the survivors and their close ones.


But Jesus fucking Christ.
A fucking monster is out and doing completely horrible and heinous acts, murdering innocent people by the dozens.

The blood have not even dried and you are already using this as a weapon for a political agenda. These are not victims to you, they are pawns in a political blame game. Jesus fucking Christ.

I pray for your soul.
 
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The only people to blame are the killers themselves but you cant over look what caused them to be radicalised. Of course trump is not responsible i never said that but it's very telling when he decides to link to a far right website for news consumption
What caused them to be "radicalized" (this shooter was not a radical) is the same thing that caused them to be shooters: narcissistic rage. It's right there in his manifesto. What's the first thing he says? The only thing he mentions more than once? He's playing for immortality:

I also believe fertility rates are part of those racial differences and that the immigrants in our lands with high fertility must be forced out to ensure the existance [sic] of our race.

To the extent that there is a textbook on mass shooters, this is pretty much it. It's almost too perfect, even. "I did not want to disappear". This specific desire isn't independent of politics (although he makes absolutely no commitment to any specific stripe of politics beyond what deals specifically with his identity, i.e., race-conscious nationalism), but the relationship isn't causal, it's concurrent. The goal is to live forever, or in other words never changing, or still in other words infamy. Certainly there's no denying that being hated intensely was part of the gameplan, right? The way trolling escalates to homicide is that the former starts to be ignored, which is an intolerable state for a certain type of personality disorder or whatever you want to call it.

This really has nothing at all to do with Pewds. You go to the right because of the crisis of identity, because right-wing politics soothe such injuries, or even just because liberal politics actually mock them, which however justified morally is utterly fucking bonkers from the (admittedly narrow) perspective of preventing mass shootings. This kind of violence is a response to being cancelled, not a response to just having an identity in the first place.

Notice it's a-typical, for example, that a black dude goes out and sprays down a Whole Foods. I'm sure it's happened at some point, but it's not the usual example. Why is that? Certainly from just a pure morality perspective they have a much better case, right? And without a doubt there are radical black politics that explain even more cogently and with more severity the grievances that black people ought to have with society at large. The slogan "Kill All Whites" actually is floating around out there, not to sound butthurt about it. And they have a much, much better historical case for being authentic victims of deliberate genocide--like it's certainly more plausible that there were attempts to eradicate black Americans as a whole, and that the threat of annihilation is a lot more credible than Muslim birthrates in New Zealand.

One kind of explanation is such systematic violence targets black people, not black-ness. The whole point of White supremacist violence, and the reason it fails, is to preserve black racial identity as its specifically constructed in America, i.e., as slaves or as an underclass. You could kill every last black person in the country and black-ness would survive. The specific racial identity perseveres. It's a shitty one, sure, but (as any honest accounting of spree shooter psychology will reveal) the million-dollar question is: "what's better than nothing?"
 
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Horrible tragedy. :(

Besides that people should stop pretending this thing happend because the shooter was radicalized by some news sites or other things. It's the same stupid thing with Islam, when people say all Muslims are bad just because they read the Qur'ran. People who are doing something like that are not radicalized by books or internet sites. It often starts way before they can even read. There a millions of influences around everyone of us and probably nobody of us would ever do such a horrible thing. So again, the core of the problem are not books and news sites. They can negatively strengthen a morbid mind, but they don't start anything.
 
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What a horrible tragedy and I can’t even imagine how awful that video is. It’s sad that monsters like this exist in this world.

I’m not suprised he was on a place like 8chan. I’ve only ventured onto 4chan a couple times, what a bunch of disgusting people. I can’t even imagine what 8chan is like. I’m not a fan of deplatforming, but wow, what a bunch of pathetic excuses for human beings to be cheering this monster along.
 
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Is this real life? I can't believe this shit is for real, a memeing shooter?

I remember when 4chan used to be fun, but it long ago curdled into something really nasty and unpleasant and now this is rock bottom for Chan culture, fucking shameful, it was never supposed to be about this.

As shocking as the details of this incident are though, I knew it was only a matter of time until 2019 had it's first major mass shooting, literally only a matter of time, what does that say about the state of the world today?
 
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The only people to blame are the killers themselves but you cant over look what caused them to be radicalised. Of course trump is not responsible i never said that but it's very telling when he decides to link to a far right website for news consumption
You overlook the cause all the time. You just focus on a symptom of globalists pushing mass migration into every White country, while demonizing the native population. It is inevitable that some will snap, and commit heinous acts.
 
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Is this real life? I can't believe this shit is for real, a memeing shooter?

I remember when 4chan used to be fun, but it long ago curdled into something really nasty and unpleasant and now this is rock bottom for Chan culture, fucking shameful, it was never supposed to be about this.

As shocking as the details of this incident are though, I knew it was only a matter of time until 2019 had it's first major mass shooting, literally only a matter of time, what does that say about the state of the world today?
It tells you where we are heading to if we continue not to talk but to silence people with opposing views... I've been fearing this for quite some time now and I STILL hope I'm wrong and this is only an isolated case...

We really need to start having proper discourse again...
 
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You overlook the cause all the time. You just focus on a symptom of globalists pushing mass migration into every White country, while demonizing the native population. It is inevitable that some will snap, and commit heinous acts.
Fuck off. This is exactly what Breivik defenders says in my country (Norway).

"It's not Breivik fault he had to do what he had to do, it's not his fault he snapped, it's the government!".
 
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You overlook the cause all the time. You just focus on a symptom of globalists pushing mass migration into every White country, while demonizing the native population. It is inevitable that some will snap, and commit heinous acts.
For everybody upset about those of us calling out 4chan/8chan and other black holes of the internet, you bring this shit into the thread, essentially spreading this monster’s propaganda?

Fuck off
 
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The above reaction is exactly what the shooter stated he hoped for in one of his 'why I'm doing this' points.
Indeed.

The intent appears to sow division by inserting names and groups into their manifesto (assuming it's real).
This disgusting act was designed to illicit a strong emotional response.
Don't allow that to eclipse reason.
Be better than that.
 

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My heart goes out to everyone and their families during this crisis..

We should all be ashamed at the behavior exhinited here... all of us!
Its truely sad to see such a horrendous tragedy occur thanks to a twisted evil man, but when we attack each other and say things like Conservatives/progressives/Trump/immigration/pewdiepie are to blame or blame an internet site of edgelords and trolls for this heinous crime, you've lost the plot...

We already have politicians foaming at the mouth at the chance to push whatever agenda they carry, and journalists whom see this loss as a gain in ratings, we on this board dont need to fall to the same petty behaviour!

This is what the psycho wanted, to fuel hatred on every side and be a media darling, look at his manifesto...this was his plan!

just once is it too much to NOT focus on the fucking pigs who kill with no remorse and instead on the families and friends of those gone, the innocents who lost their lives for doing nothing more than what they always did?

They deserve the news coverage, not this animal...
 
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One of the shooters is a white supremacist, so, actually, it’s all about politics because if he didn’t have his fucked up beliefs, all those families and kids would still be alive.
Agreed. From what I've read on this thread (haven't looked on twitter or anywhere else) this definitely looks political. It's so dumb, for example, when some bearded dude guns down a bunch of people while shouting "Allahu Akbar" and the media scratches its head and wonders aloud "What could possibly have motivated the attacker? Probably mental illness...". The same applies here. Whenever an attacker clearly states a political or ideological purpose, we should take them at their word.
 
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You overlook the cause all the time. You just focus on a symptom of globalists pushing mass migration into every White country, while demonizing the native population. It is inevitable that some will snap, and commit heinous acts.
What is this.

Stop subscribing to far right talking points. Muslim have lived in New Zealand for more than 100 years so what the fuck are you talking about .
 
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It is a terrible Terror Attack that did happen. It is a hate crime and should be treaded like one. And my prayers or condolences go out to eveyone involved or affected by it.

What I really do not understand is though is how hours after such an terrible act. People try to twist and throw arround accusations of people not involved in his tragedy just to make an political statement. Has no one really respect anymore?
 
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BBC's live feed drawing dots and then connecting them. It used to be about connecting the dots, now the MSM is all about drawing the dots first. I hate the MSM as much as I hate radical terrorists.

"Posted at 9:419:41
President Trump silent on Christchurch shooting
As international messages of support and condemnation pour in, US President Donald Trump has as yet seemingly not issued a statement on the attacks in New Zealand.
The president's last tweet, shortly after the shooting began, was a link to the far-right Breitbart News Network.
The White House's official Twitter feed has also as yet not issued a statement.
US Ambassador to New Zealand Scott Brown however has tweeted that he is "heartbroken" after the attack."
 
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The above reaction is exactly what the shooter stated he hoped for in one of his 'why I'm doing this' points.

Lay off the knee jerk censorship.
of course the shooter hoped to protect the "best bunch of cobbers" he could ask for, why should we grant him that?

8chan is a trash heap, and certain segments of 4chan are no better. They brewed this shit, they deserve the flack. no different than Fursan al-Rafa taking flack for ISIS recruiting

8chan is rampantly celebrating this act, we have every right to condemn them if their stance on the issue is to "Embrace Infamy". This is fanaticism through and through, and frankly I don't see how you can defend their actions. You are gaslighting us

I expect words of contrition from those who foster these ideologies if they truly don't support these actions. At the very least, I don't expect celebration. I hold Muslims to the same standards when Islamic terrorism rears its ugly head. If they express regrets, I'm sympathetic, if they hold their tongue, we have some issues, if they celebrate in the streets, it's clear where these actions come from. 8chan are celebrating in the streets

Indeed.

The intent appears to sow division by inserting names and groups into their manifesto (assuming it's real).
This disgusting act was designed to illicit a strong emotional response.
Don't allow that to eclipse reason.
Be better than that.
and this is some ripe bullshit from you as usual.

Obviously the shooter's goal was to sow division. He massacred a specific ethnic group to make it clear he did not want them in his town. That's more division than any forum post will sow

Calling out 8chan is not about the names inserted into the manifesto. 8chan was not just a manifesto name. This guy posted his plans to 8chan (to much encouragement). He was celebrated by 8chan. 8chan is complicit in this.
Spyro 3 does not sow division. 8chan has been sowing this same division for years. They wanted this, and they are celebrating it.
This is the same shitty 'it's just lulz!' troll technique the alt-right always hides behind, only this time it's been applied to mass murder. You are not gaslighting us. We know that Sypro and Candace Owens didn't motivate this

Condemning 8chan isn't sowing more division. We have every reason to condemn those who celebrate these actions, alongside condemnation for those who commit them.

I don't see anyone celebrating the event here. Do you think such celebration would be welcomed here? If not, than why should we accept that it is celebrated elsewhere?

You overlook the cause all the time. You just focus on a symptom of globalists pushing mass migration into every White country, while demonizing the native population. It is inevitable that some will snap, and commit heinous acts.
I can almost sympathize with this. I mean, I get it. There are few ethno-nationalistic white countries left, and those that remain aren't the cream of the crop. However, this is obviously not the way to go about founding such white enclaves, and your inability to condemn such acts does nothing to help your cause.
As with Muslims who do not condemn Islamic terrorism, the blind eye you turn towards white supremacist terrorism ensures you remain an embarrassment to the rest of your race, when you otherwise might have a leg to stand on

Fuck off. This is exactly what Breivik defenders says in my country (Norway).

"It's not Breivik fault he had to do what he had to do, it's not his fault he snapped, it's the government!".
For everybody upset about those of us calling out 4chan/8chan and other black holes of the internet, you bring this shit into the thread, essentially spreading this monster’s propaganda?

Fuck off
lol, you guys are trying to shame a poster who vehemently argued (complete with doctored video!) that the Charlottsville Nazi was acting in 'self defense' when he ran over a crowd with his car
 
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He was subbed to more than just 8chan. He was active on twitter (where he had plenty of encouragement), facebook, etc. You can find equivalent and opposing hate and trash heaps on twitter, reddit etc, but nobody is looking to close those down. Sweeping this under the rug is when things get real dangerous.
 
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If 4/8chan is responsible for this then the quran is responsible for Muslim terrorists.

Blame the attackers, they are pure evil.
Terribly inept comparison. The Quran is a document. It's incapable of encouraging and celebrating this violence in the manner that 4/8chan have. As I mentioined before, a better comparison would be Fursan al-Rafa, or I'm sure there are some ISIS forums out there that have been taken down for this very reason

Perhaps you are one of those rare few who believe viewing kiddie porn is victimless? After all, you aren't hurting anyone, the actual damage occurred back when the photo was taken... Of course, most governments will happily disagree with you, and point out that the audience creates a market which encourages the victimization to perpetuate
Yeah, 8chan is that audience. A crowd that encourages and ravenously devours live streamed ethnic cleansing is exactly the type of crowd that fosters a market for such acts

He was subbed to more than just 8chan. He was active on twitter, facebook, etc. You can find equivalent but opposing hate and trash heaps on twitter, reddit etc, but nobody is looking to close those down. Sweeping this under the rug is when things get real dangerous.
ah, I see, you can't explain why you defend 8chan's actions either, so you switch to whatabouts

Not only does 8chan make no effort to moderate this sort of behavior, but it openly embraces such behavior and has made supporting it a selling point. Given the analogy above, this is no different than a forum devoted to kiddie porn (which, from what I've heard, 8chan also fosters). Yes, someone can toss kiddie porn onto Facebook or Twitter, but Facebook or Twitter will pull that shit on 1st notice.

Twitter/Facebook at least put forth the effort to curb this form of extremism. Let's see what each of them do over the coming days before propping up the fantasy that these websites are equivalent. No doubt FB/Twitter will be taken to task for allowing the stream to run as much as it did, I'm not even saying they are blameless, just that anyone with even a shred of empathy can understand they are obviously not equivalent to 8chan. This reads like you are doubling down on gaslighting

Heck it's in the shit you just posted, 8chan is celebrated and the deed is being done for 8chan's amusement, while the choice of using Facebook for the streaming is bemoaned as "faceberg"

and I didn't say to close 8chan down, I said they deserve to be called out

but yeah, keep bringing the false equivalencies so you can defend the massive orgasms shared by the 8chan crowd over this massacre. You are a stand-up guy
 
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If 4/8chan is responsible for this then the quran is responsible for Muslim terrorists.

Blame the attackers, they are pure evil.
Look, just like all other times something really monstrous happened, his cock got so hard it could cut diamond just thinking about how he could weaponize this.
It is so fucking despicable. They will fucking remain wrongfully dead forever. He can fucking wait until their families have had a chance to mourn and bury their loved ones before
he starts wielding it as a fucking weapon in some fucking war in his damaged and evil mind.

This is a fucking pattern with this guy. The corpse is still warm and it is now just a weapon for an agenda.
I am so disgusted. I also feel sorry for him. Just fucking imagine how damaged you and your mind must be to act this way.
 
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He was subbed to more than just 8chan. He was active on twitter (where he had plenty of encouragement), facebook, etc. You can find equivalent and opposing hate and trash heaps on twitter, reddit etc, but nobody is looking to close those down. Sweeping this under the rug is when things get real dangerous.
The difference is 8chan is nothing but this sort of garbage. The place is full of celebrations over this heinous act and a bunch of other despicable vile garbage. From what I hear, 8chan also traffics in child porn, which is an actual crime.

Now I’m not calling for deleting 8chan off the internet just for their users having abhorrent opinions, but you should be mocked and called for the pathetic piece of trash you are if you spend your time there. If there is child porn or other illegal materials (such as planning for this massacre), then those materials should be scrubbed and the users prosecuted.

What’s the difference between Facebook/Reddit and 8chan? The majority of Facebook/Reddit users are there to hang out with friends, read about video games/movies/sports and other benign things. These platforms don’t advertise themselves as the home for hateful alt-right losers to hang out. Obviously there are some dark areas of Reddit and the same rules apply, but really, it’s only a small portion of Reddit’s username who takes part in these dark areas vs the entire community on 8chan.
 
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You overlook the cause all the time. You just focus on a symptom of globalists pushing mass migration into every White country, while demonizing the native population. It is inevitable that some will snap, and commit heinous acts.
Why do you try and push a narrative of white victimhood in every thread?
 
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I downloaded it and yet to watch it..
I wouldn’t watch it. I watched a couple videos like that when I was younger and regretted it immediately. Things like this stick with you when it’s real. Plus, these piece of garbage doesn’t need anymore views or notoriety.
 

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I wouldn’t watch it. I watched a couple videos like that when I was younger and regretted it immediately. Things like this stick with you when it’s real. Plus, these piece of garbage doesn’t need anymore views or notoriety.
I can't. I'm too curious.
 

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It’s your life, but take it from somebody who is likely older than many of you here, there isn’t much to gain from watching innocent men, women, and children other than having horrific images scarred into your mind.
I appreciate your concern. I'm 39 btw.
 
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My thoughts goes to the victims and the families.
I remember being touched by the "Everything is going to be alright" building when I was in Christchurch two years ago.
Man this is fucked up.
 
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The difference is 8chan is nothing but this sort of garbage. The place is full of celebrations over this heinous act and a bunch of other despicable vile garbage. From what I hear, 8chan also traffics in child porn, which is an actual crime.

Now I’m not calling for deleting 8chan off the internet just for their users having abhorrent opinions, but you should be mocked and called for the pathetic piece of trash you are if you spend your time there. If there is child porn or other illegal materials (such as planning for this massacre), then those materials should be scrubbed and the users prosecuted.

What’s the difference between Facebook/Reddit and 8chan? The majority of Facebook/Reddit users are there to hang out with friends, read about video games/movies/sports and other benign things. These platforms don’t advertise themselves as the home for hateful alt-right losers to hang out. Obviously there are some dark areas of Reddit and the same rules apply, but really, it’s only a small portion of Reddit’s username who takes part in these dark areas vs the entire community on 8chan.
Then it's the ideal reservation/containment ground. An FBI agent's terrorist hunting dream. All lined up and ready to capture. Nothing stops these guys from radicalizing outside of 8chan. This shooter for example says he got radicalized when traveling abroad.

Once again, sweep it under the rug and you end up with the same behaviour, out of sight.
 

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Just watched it.

The woman lying in the street after she was shot the first time was crying for her mom several times, until he finished her off.

I haven't felt so angry for a very long time.

I hope he and his like all die a horrible death and meet the same fate.
 
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I downloaded it and yet to watch it..
It’s not that hard to watch, it’s not that graphic (gore wise). It’s the fact it’s real is what’s more upsetting than the actual visual.

Edit: I don’t really have much to say that hasn’t been said about the act. Fuck the scumbags who killed innocent people in their place of worship. Such a sad thing to happen.

I’m unsure about the status of the killers, alive or dead? Caught or still at large?
 
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You overlook the cause all the time. You just focus on a symptom of globalists pushing mass migration into every White country, while demonizing the native population. It is inevitable that some will snap, and commit heinous acts.
Muslims represent 1 percent of new zealand's population. If 1 in 100 of your neighbors being a muslim makes you snap, you are the one being unreasonable. Not the globalist boogeyman.

The globalist fearmongering is what caused this, in fact. The rhetoric that brown people are coming to take away the culture, jobs, & women from whites. MS-13 and Sharia Police in the streets! Its pathetic.
 
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It’s your life, but take it from somebody who is likely older than many of you here, there isn’t much to gain from watching innocent men, women, and children get murdered other than having horrific images scarred into your mind.
I sometimes have the opposite point of view; I'm not saying people should go out and watch such content but I have seen some things on video that are completely incomprehensible to me how anyone could do them to another. I couldn't do to a dead animal what I have seen some people do to one another. To an extent, I think it just makes me believe some people, how they live, what they believe and how they view the value of life.....they are beyond giving human rights.

I did watch this recording and he wasn't fucking around. This wasn't the run of the mill shooting. He was calm, methodical and absolutely wanted to make sure every last person was dead. Nothing short of an absolute miracle could have saved anyone in that building; the fact it happen in a social setting is unbelievable.

This guy is a certified lunatic and has no place in society. I didn't keep up with the news on how they got him; whether he gave up etc, but he was very clearly agenda driven, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't fire on the cops at all, his goal was killing Muslims, not just anyone, but very specifically Muslims.