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Halo is the new Sonic

There is something I notice about people defending the new Halo, they tend to say "It's really FUN", instead of just saying it's good, a classic indication that they are in denial (people always defend co-op games saying they are "really fun if you play with your friends" regardless of the quality of the games). 🧠

This Halo will likely go down as the most hated one in the series and pretty much what buried the series.

I won't even comment on the narrative of pretending it was the GoTY, it's even worse than the PoTY narrative.
 
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NeoGiffer

Member
HALO IS THE NEW SONIC

 
Wow goty winner last year and people already declaring this the new sonic.
Lmao. Calm down mate
Halo was not even nominated to GOTY LOL, here are the nominations

  • Deathloop (Arkane Studios/Bethesda)
  • It Takes Two (Hazelight Studios/EA)
  • Metroid Dread (Mercury Steam/Nintendo)
  • Psychonauts 2 (Double Fine/Xbox Game Studios)
  • Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart (Insomniac Games/SIE)
  • Resident Evil Village (Capcom)
And forget the awards, the competition of halo has Battlefield 2142..And COD vanguard, the worst games of both series, and somehow halo with a 6 year development time still managed to fuck up, again, halo competition was Battlefield...
 

Belthazar

Member
Well, sixth mainline game, would that be considered Heroes? If we don't count Shadow (though it may as well be mainline), then we go to 06...

So, the seventh mainline game, then.

(Of course, this is not taking into consideration the infamous Sonic Xtreme debacle)

6th mainline game is Sonic Adventure (1 or 2, depending if you're counting CD as mainline or not). Halo wishes it was at such a high with Infinite.
 

Calverz

Gold Member
Halo was not even nominated to GOTY LOL, here are the nominations

  • Deathloop (Arkane Studios/Bethesda)
  • It Takes Two (Hazelight Studios/EA)
  • Metroid Dread (Mercury Steam/Nintendo)
  • Psychonauts 2 (Double Fine/Xbox Game Studios)
  • Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart (Insomniac Games/SIE)
  • Resident Evil Village (Capcom)
And forget the awards, the competition of halo has Battlefield 2142..And COD vanguard, the worst games of both series, and somehow halo with a 6 year development time still managed to fuck up, again, halo competition was Battlefield...
Lol have a look at neogaf goty. Not the keighleys mate.
 

Lurchio

Member
What is all the weird halo threads recently?

Meanwhile I had loads of fun last night with my brother playing team snipers, first time trying the mode and loved it!

Got 24 kills one game :D
Yeah I really like it (we're not allowed to say it's fun) .
Not sure why people keep saying it's dead..longest queue for any of the game modes at the moment is 27 seconds.Maybe it's just me,you,your brother and 5 others every game 🤔
 

Chukhopops

Member
And you Just show how you lack any knowledge of game development, game dont "Cut" content to sell it later, there is a budget, pipeline And a separate team alocated to that, to make things from scratch.

But for you aparently sides storys and expantions are Cut content? OK boomer

you should add to the list this games with Cut content too

Mass Effect
Zelda BOTW
KH3
Dark Souls
Xenoblade
Gears 5

And all the games including ffxv with all the content you claim are "Finished" by the time halo infinite Finish his season2 with barebones content, only 1 map added in a year for 4vs4 modes, what a joke

I know for a boomer like you must be Hard to fit with the times, and undersand them because aparently comparing the side storys DLC of a single player game to a GAAS like Halo and expecting to be the same is Just sad.

Halo is a game Who need constant content, to have gamers playing it and selling them stuff, its not so Hard to undersand, if they keep months with no content, no money, even at your age im sure you can undersand that
I can’t get over the fact that you think the FFXV episodes were sold as DLC because they ran out of time to put them in the main game. I’ve never seen anyone try to argue that and I hardly can take it seriously. Even people on this board who defend SE all day long like it’s their job have given up on FFXV.

Anyway the only thing true in what you said is that those days live service games need a constant stream of new shit added in order to keep the zoomer audience interested, otherwise they move on to the next thing they can find.

I don’t think however it’s the right approach in the long run to try to keep up with the pace of F2P monsters at the cost of quality.
 

ZywyPL

Banned
Halo, and any other arena shooter for that matter, simply has no place in modern time and age. It is said Infinite is supposed to be a 10 year plan, but how on earth are 343 expecting people to run for 10 year with the same single gun over and over and over is beyond me.

And that's not even just the tip of the iceberg, there's just so so many things wrong with this game fesign-wise someone should make a book out of it on how not to make an online shooter.

The series needs a hard reboot, in both MP and SP, which doesn't make sense since 343 took the franchise.
 
Halo, and any other arena shooter for that matter, simply has no place in modern time and age. It is said Infinite is supposed to be a 10 year plan, but how on earth are 343 expecting people to run for 10 year with the same single gun over and over and over is beyond me.

And that's not even just the tip of the iceberg, there's just so so many things wrong with this game fesign-wise someone should make a book out of it on how not to make an online shooter.

The series needs a hard reboot, in both MP and SP, which doesn't make sense since 343 took the franchise.

I only play arena shooters when it comes to MP.

What do you think should replace them?
 

Claus Grimhildyr

Vincit qui se vincit
Yes, XV is not a bad game and I say too 2, 8 AND XIII and debatable bad games, because they are not, Just some people dont like then

And Yes i played XV maybe even before you, i played it days before the oficial release, without the Day 1 patch and the game was finished, sure a few unpolished bugs but the game have TON of content and was finished, and a year after got dlc to see the story of your other party members, not noctis

In Halo Infinite you cant even replay a mission, doing something so basic like change spartab color is imposible, and for a "LIVE SERVICE" for an arena MP having in a year less then 10 maps is a joke

Anyway its Funny how you asume my age Just because you don like an opinion, in fact assuming someone younger then you have by default a bad opinión is beyond stupid, maybe thats why boomers like you are not relevant in the gaming industry anymore, who give a fuck to an angry man with an old mentality who cant get with the times

XV has its flaws, but it can still be highly enjoyed. It has a wide variety of characters, great character moments, excellent sound design, beautiful art design, and was very well paced up until the point in the narrative that it railroads you.

Meanwhile Infinite is an insult to fans and the franchise as a whole. It has almost zero memorable plot, characters, or “set piece” moments. It has one single biome that is incredibly bland. The entire open world aspect was essentially just an Ubisoft open world with zero unique aspects. The MP was fucking atrocious, with the least amount of customization the series has *ever* seen and constantly nickle and diming you for every little thing that you used to get as a complete package in the earlier entries.

But the same sad little console warriors like Ozzy and co will come out of the wood work to defend this crap and 343i instead of pushing for better quality in future releases. Sad, pathetic, and they are the reason we keep getting worse and worse titles in what once was one of the greatest FPS franchises of all time. Aside from one mentally ill person (D.Final), there were little to no that actively defended *every* little thing about FFXV. They could find enjoyment out of the title and still openly criticize the faults of the title and push for stronger, better products in the future. If only these little console warriors would actually do the same.
 
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clarky

Member
I was just rockin H.I. yesterday after a bit of a hiatus. Fucking game is incredible! The gunplay and gameplay are literally second to none.
Couldn’t agree more. I was invested on multiple levels and it felt like a great campaign.
What the hell
Infinite is an amazing Halo title
Halo Wars 2 is great, stop the drama and just enjoy and play
Halo 2 anniversary is fantastic for MP. Same with Halo 5.
Anyway. Halo rocks, Sonic cocks. Here lies my contribution to this thread. Fin.
Games decent enough. Solid campaign, decent mp. Shit live service game that lacks updates and features.
Look when the game released. It was praised by fans right off the bat. Check here, Reddit, reviews, era etc. 90% of complaints are from lack of updates that’s it.
Yes infinite is awesome. I still play regularly. The gameplay loop is top notch.
Which AAA games offer more content? Full MP and a big single player experience? Both being good to great.
Right now, Halo Infinite gameplay speaks for itself.
but story is just...uhh.
its not perfect or very varied and not alot of content...ive enjoyed the shit out of inifinites gunplay/gameplay/grapple...

There is something I notice about people defending the new Halo, they tend to say "It's really FUN", instead of just saying it's good, a classic indication that they are in denial.
LMAO, the amount of shite that you spew out of your keyboard really is something. look at all these people in denial above pretending to enjoy Halo.

If you didnt enjoy the game then thats too bad, im not sure why you cant accept that plenty of people did and still do, see above.

Game is super fun, get over it.
 
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Shifty

Gold Member
Nah. Halo may have reached where Sonic was a decade or so back, but Sonic never stopped innovating new ways too baffle and disappoint.

Mister Chief has further to fall yet if he wants that accolade.
 

Batiman

Member
LMAO, the amount of shite that you spew out of your keyboard really is something. look at all these people in denial above pretending to enjoy Halo.

If you didnt enjoy the game then thats too bad, im not sure why you cant accept that plenty of people did and still do, see above.

Game is super fun, get over it.
All the people that complain about the game seem to have no posts on the OT. Wonder why
 

Batiman

Member
XV has its flaws, but it can still be highly enjoyed. It has a wide variety of characters, great character moments, excellent sound design, beautiful art design, and was very well paced up until the point in the narrative that it railroads you.

Meanwhile Infinite is an insult to fans and the franchise as a whole. It has almost zero memorable plot, characters, or “set piece” moments. It has one single biome that is incredibly bland. The entire open world aspect was essentially just an Ubisoft open world with zero unique aspects. The MP was fucking atrocious, with the least amount of customization the series has *ever* seen and constantly nickle and diming you for every little thing that you used to get as a complete package in the earlier entries.

But the same sad little console warriors like Ozzy and co will come out of the wood work to defend this crap and 343i instead of pushing for better quality in future releases. Sad, pathetic, and they are the reason we keep getting worse and worse titles in what once was one of the greatest FPS franchises of all time. Aside from one mentally ill person (D.Final), there were little to no that actively defended *every* little thing about FFXV. They could find enjoyment out of the title and still openly criticize the faults of the title and push for stronger, better products in the future. If only these little console warriors would actually do the same.
Bro I doubt you even played the game. Just echoing the same complaints you see online. Post history shows
 
I always thought it was a mistake to hand the largest franchise they had to a newly created studio.

Would have been better to let 343 find their feet on a few projects first. As it stands Halo has had its soul ripped out. I'm sickened at what has been done to the series. Better to just let it die.
 

clarky

Member
Now that defeats the whole idea.

I think that Gears took over Halo a long time ago and neither has released a really culturally relevant title in a very long time (however gears is definitely way better).
Gears never really clicked with me, I've played through most of them, the first being the best. But the multiplayer just never really floated my boat for some reason, on paper i should love it but i dunno something about the aiming just never did it for me.

On the other hand of the recent Halo's the only one that I actively disliked 100% was 4. Reach had a decent SP but trash MP, 5 the opposite. Infinite gets so so close to nailing both but just falls short in a few key areas at the minute, but hopefully with a few more maps and a campaign expansion I think it will end up being right up there.

As it stands i'd put it above Reach in my tier list but below Bungies best efforts at the time.
 
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clarky

Member
I always thought it was a mistake to hand the largest franchise they had to a newly created studio.
Yeah its a big ask, yet they seem to have made the same mistake with Perfect Dark as well. Hopefully that turn out well. Although looks like Staten is trying to get a few of the old Halo staffers from the Bungie days back on board, I think the futures bright for Halo myself.

Even though I dislike 4 I thought it was impressive they got something out of the door when they did. You look at new studios these days and it takes way longer.
 

twilo99

Member
I said this from the very beginning, the gameplay is great, but the multiplayer aspect won't last.

The game NEEDS a BR mode or even better some form of DMZ like Escape from Tarkov. They don't need to replace the core MP with those two, but they need to have them as an option, just like CoD, where you can see that the MP aspect fades away but the BR mode keeps a decent player count compared to the standard multiplayer.
 
All the people that complain about the game seem to have no posts on the OT. Wonder why
Maybe because they didn't like it? It's F2P, so it's not like there is a high barrier of entry for people to try it. Time will tell if Halo Infinite is all that.

I personally don't go in any OT of games I don't like, nor do I create threads about them.
 
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The problem with Halo is that MS just doesn't care enough about the franchise beyond its ability to generate cash (either directly or through GamePass).

Halo has become a vehicle for MS's commercial interests, instead of a valued multi-media IP with a carefully controlled, living, breathing lore.

The Halo TV series really made this clear. That abortion was such a fucking slap in the face to Halo fans, the only way one might surmise that MS could greenlight such horseshit is if they actually didn't give a fuck about Halo at all. It's the only logical conclusion.

They've treated the IP like a 20-cent whore that they're willing to pimp out to anyone for a quick dollar. If it serves their commercial interests, who cares if the games are shit quality. It's no wonder they went ahead with that infamous E3 showing that gave us Craig. To the clueless suits at MS, "hey, it's got Master Chief and pew pew? Looks like Halo. Great! The fans will eat this shit up!"
 
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The fact that there is no co-op is obscene.

The fact that this is your award for completing weekly challenges is disgusting:



It's utterly pathetic.
 
Halo 5 started the microtransaction on MP, and they removed Big Team battle to make warzone, a P2W Mode, and the progresión was a pw2 gatcha too
The microtransactions in H5 were harmless, and I actually enjoyed warzone quite a bit. Ignoring BTB and not having more original multiplayer maps was a mistake.
But sonic was never good and halo was
The original side scrolling sonics were phenomenal. The switch to 3D really hurt the sonic franchise.
The fact that there is no co-op is obscene.

The fact that this is your award for completing weekly challenges is disgusting:



It's utterly pathetic.
Honestly that isn't a terrible weekly challenge reward compared to past rewards. In the past they've rewarded boring emblems and nameplates.
 

rofif

Gold Member
The microtransactions in H5 were harmless, and I actually enjoyed warzone quite a bit. Ignoring BTB and not having more original multiplayer maps was a mistake.

The original side scrolling sonics were phenomenal. The switch to 3D really hurt the sonic franchise.

Honestly that isn't a terrible weekly challenge reward compared to past rewards. In the past they've rewarded boring emblems and nameplates.
I only liked 3d blast.
The 2d sonics always had the same problem to me that sonic is WAY TOO FAR to the right.
The game wants you to go fast but in reality, you should play it slow
 
LMAO, the amount of shite that you spew out of your keyboard really is something. look at all these people in denial above pretending to enjoy Halo.

If you didnt enjoy the game then thats too bad, im not sure why you cant accept that plenty of people did and still do, see above.

Game is super fun, get over it.
He’s got ADHD and needs to be pat on the back for every step he makes in a game, I’m sure.
 

ZywyPL

Banned
The fact that there is no co-op is obscene.

The fact that this is your award for completing weekly challenges is disgusting:



It's utterly pathetic.

What's disgusting is not the rewards but the challenges themselves, every single week in the past 1.5 years people complain about being forced to play game modes they don't like/hate, or are almost impossible to get to play since there are no seperate playlists, and yet 343 acts deaf... There was just one week, quite recently actually, where the challenges were made for actual human beings, with stuff like "get X melee kills", "play/win X matches", "get X culminative points" etc.
 

clarky

Member
What is the harm in it? Should everyone avoid negative BF, FIFA, Diablo, GT, TLoU, threads as well? You take issue specifically with Halo? Why?
There's a difference between constructive criticism and the constant low effort dogpiling on certain games over and over that adds nothing new. There's nothing in this thread that hasn't been said a thousand times before in a thousand different ways from both sides.

The only harm it does is to the forum itself.
 

clarky

Member
What's disgusting is not the rewards but the challenges themselves, every single week in the past 1.5 years people complain about being forced to play game modes they don't like/hate, or are almost impossible to get to play since there are no seperate playlists, and yet 343 acts deaf... There was just one week, quite recently actually, where the challenges were made for actual human beings, with stuff like "get X melee kills", "play/win X matches", "get X culminative points" etc.
I just ignore the challenges myself, most of the rewards are garbage tier and I have no interest in something I don't see for 99% of the time.

The system needs to go imo to keep the people who do give a shit happy.
 

FireFly

Member
There's a difference between constructive criticism and the constant low effort dogpiling on certain games over and over that adds nothing new. There's nothing in this thread that hasn't been said a thousand times before in a thousand different ways from both sides.

The only harm it does is to the forum itself.
I feel like we should have a dedicated "shit on Halo" thread, so threads about particular Halo topics could have relevant discussion in them.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
I don't get the comparison to Sonic, but personally I think Halo Infinite is a good game. It could be great if this "live service" stuff would live up to its billing and deliver more content. But for the franchise itself, I think Guilty_AI Guilty_AI is correct. Halo suffers from bad management. Nothing that can't be fixed.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Don't get me excited for an arcady high speed platformer when you just want to reference the Sonic cycle!
 
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