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Man, the demo looked incredible, hopefully the gameplay can match the graphics. Hard to believe that was on the same system that Halo 3 was on, yikes.
I'm curious how something like the Promethean Watcher will behave in groups. We saw that one of them can be a pain in the ass. You basically have to give it two things to do before you can defeat it (throw a grenade at it, while it is preparing to throw it back you shoot the dude it was previously granting a shield to, etc), but what happens when there are three of them and a couple of those Knight dudes? Headache city.
 

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Didact isn't the enemy. Cortana is.

Yeah, I just blew your mind.
It actually would be pretty interesting to have Cortana be a major threat in Halo 5, having escaped into some Forerunner network going rampant. The Chief would have to be trying to put down his closest companion.
 

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I've only read Cryptum, not Primordium, but from the former I don't understand why the Didact would be an enemy.
Explained more in Primordium. I don't remember it all, but it felt like the type of enemy who doesn't have much of a choice, not like a real evil villain, just doing what he has to.
Yeah, even if Bear's writing style is somewhat harder to get into, Primordium makes it understandable how the Didact could end up (potentially) becoming the main antangonist.
 

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I don't think I can wait five months for this game.
Seriously. Gunna be tough.

Also, Frankie, what's it like to know you and your team completely stole the entire show today? Not just as a Halo fan talking to a Halo developer, but as a widely expressed opinion fact shared by most of those who attended/viewed.. Halo 4 undoubtedly won the day, and likely the whole event. (and you barely showed anything!)
 

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Man the demo truly was incredible. I was a little unsure of 343 as a whole honestly before today. I mean I knew Frankie was there but he couldnt do everything haha. But 343 delivered for sure. I'm hyped for Halo 4 now. Haven't seen something that impressive in a long time.
 
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I've only read Cryptum, not Primordium, but from the former I don't understand why the Didact would be an enemy.
I don't think that will be made totally clear until the final book in Bear's trilogy is released, but there are a lot of reasons he might not want an inferior species to get ahold of Forerunner tech/artifacts.

I don't think I can wait five months for this game.
That's more manageable than the hundreds of days we're going to have to wait for new GoT episodes.
 

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Yeah, even if Bear's writing style is somewhat harder to get into, Primordium makes it understandable how the Didact could end up (potentially) becoming the main antangonist.
I disagree. Didact's only real allies are humans in those novels. If anything I'd imagine he'd be trying to help the MC. I don't think he is the ancient evil. I also don't think it's Mendicant Bias since he appeared to be trying to help MC as well in the last Halo 3 terminal. I think the actual villain has yet to be revealed.
Istill think it's Faber, builder of the Halos.
 

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I'm curious how something like the Promethean Watcher will behave in groups. We saw that one of them can be a pain in the ass. You basically have to give it two things to do before you can defeat it (throw a grenade at it, while it is preparing to throw it back you shoot the dude it was previously granting a shield to, etc), but what happens when there are three of them and a couple of those Knight dudes? Headache city.
Piece of cake for me
 

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So regarding Primordium (I don't remember much actually, need to re-read it)...

The flood are a test for species set up by the Precursors to test if they are worthy of the mantle. The humans passed, but due to them being weakened, the Forerunners beat them, but they couldn't survive the test, so were destroyed

Is that right?
 

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Dude I have NO idea what any of that crap is either. Don't be too hard on yourself. If you find out... hook a brother up.
I read a pretty good summary a few weeks back going by dates from then the forerunners started til where we are, I'll see if I can find it again for you guys. :)
 

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Primordium spoiler below.

I'm not sure if the enemy will be the Didact. I was thinking more along the line of
the timeless one. It may seem he was killed in primordium, but I have my doubts
. I mean who else would be out for revenge and would be considered an ancient evil.
The precurors want revenge for what was done to them by the forerunners, so it would make sense that the timeless one (the last precuror) is controlling the prometheans somehow to destroy every trace of the forerunners and maybe even humans
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I don't see how anyone else would really be a threat to the universe other than them.
 

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Mega Primordium spoilers (from Halopedian)

The ensuing conversation reveals that the Primordial is actually a Gravemind, and that more Precursors may have survived their war with the Forerunners. The Primordial asserts that "there is no difference" between the Flood and the Precursors, although it does not reveal the precise nature of their relationship. It also reveals that no human was ever truly immune to the Flood, but the Flood can choose whether to infect or not infect. The Primordial then states that the Flood is a test to judge a species' worthiness of inheriting the Mantle, stating that the Forerunners are to be eliminated and that humans will be tested next once they rise again. At the conversation's conclusion, the Didact kills the Primordial by activating a reverse stasis chamber that forces the Primordial to go through a billion years of aging in several seconds, causing it to disintegrate.

More here: http://www.halopedian.com/Primordium

May help some people with the whole Didact/Precursor/Forerunner issues

Avatars are back!



So uhhh, what's the decision to be made? Black or orange? lol
Ohh, that was wwmonkey's avatar. It all makes sense now!
 

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Dat game speed indeed. Looks ridiculous though. Would be a damn shame if you can't customize down to the minute detail, because that skit looked all over the place. I'm sure you will be able to though.

Sweet I can tell who is who now!
Even better you guys aren't biting my steelo anymore.
 

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The blue enemies from the sizzle reel reminded me of the flying bad guys from Borderlands.
Yeah, the Halo 4 enemies are giving me major Borderlands vibes. A teleporting, heavily-shielded melee one that towers above you, a flying, ranged/"supplementary" one... and the Crawlers are basically Tickers from Gears of War combined with Skags from Borderlands.

I have a somewhat hard time believing the Forerunners would use a weapon that requires a physical reload after a couple of shots.
To be fair, it doesn't look like Prometheans need to reload, just like any other past Halo enemy. If anything it just justifies the reload, because Chief isn't "integrated" into the weapon like the Knights are.

Didact isn't the enemy. Cortana is.

Yeah, I just blew your mind.
The only reason Didact's an enemy is because he's trying to get rid of an unstable Cortana, because rampancy turns the AIs mad, and they're going to be seeking power... and cortana's on a forerunner world giving her access to some of the most vast AI technology in existence holy shit she might be the legitimate threat
 

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Thank god they are back.

I 100% rely on people's avatar's to see who posted what, not having them is painful.

That campaign demo still screamed heavy Metroid Prime influence to me after watching it again a few times, and that is an excellent thing. The Knights looked and behaved in ways that made them feel like and evolution of the Space Pirates and the other two Promethean enemies felt Prime-ish as well.

Hopefully we get some good Spartan Ops and War Games footage tomorrow.
 

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It's kind of hard to explain, but I really like the tiny bit of interaction we saw between the Chief/Cortana and the Didact. Didact just pops in, scans the scene, and flies off to get ship done. And Cortana's tone when she says "guess we know where he's going makes me think he might not just be a straight up evil antagonist.

I love the kind of villain who's constantly present and taunting you, interfering, but not being too openly hostile. Like GLaDOS. I have high hopes for the Didact's character.
 

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Just rewatched the Halo 4 campaign and mulitplayer footage again. I'm not going to lie, I didn't voice my opinion on it earlier because we haven't seen much but I was worried as hell. New team doing the Halo series, a series I absolutely loved and have had a pretty "close" connection to for the last decade...but damn you guys cleared up anything I was worried about. U4ix, Jazzy, and I talked about live via Skype and we all were squealing like little girls with all the new stuff. Multiplayer looks fast, quick. Have to see more of the abilities but from what I've seen it looks good. The medal color is kinda weird, hope it isn't final. Overall with all the new footage it's a REALLY GOOD E3 for 343i and I really hope these 5 months fly by, I don't think I can go back to Halo Reach.
 
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Greg Bear's style is the sharpest and most enticing of all the Halo writers. For me, there are writers and there are storytellers, and Bear is an amazing storyteller.
Man, I wish I could agree. I don't have any sort of well articulated critique, but I've tried to read Cryptum twice, and just couldn't trudge through it. I'll try again once I'm done with school, I guess.
 

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Greg Bear's style is the sharpest and most enticing of all the Halo writers. For me, there are writers and there are storytellers, and Bear is an amazing storyteller.
Fuck the first three-fourths of Primordium. It was so dry. But Greg Bear is definitely on another plane of writing than what the series is used to. He might not be the Nylund master of battle hype, but he doesn't have to be, and his style lends much better to the type of tone and mood of the Forerunner trilogy.

Yeah, but fuck the first three-fourths of Primordium. The ending barely redeems that shit.
 

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Greg Bear's style is the sharpest and most enticing of all the Halo writers. For me, there are writers and there are storytellers, and Bear is an amazing storyteller.
He tells a great story, I just don't think he tells it well (talking Cryptum). I just can't visualize any of the stuff in his story, because his descriptions are so loose; the narrative is quite muddled as well.

It was a frustrating read, but one I've thought back on often because the universe he builds in it is so good.
Is Devo still banned? Wonder what her thoughts are...
"fuck"
 

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Greg Bear's style is the sharpest and most enticing of all the Halo writers. For me, there are writers and there are storytellers, and Bear is an amazing storyteller.
I found it so hard to read about a hike through a forrest for 2/3s of the book, then get bombarded with crazy new info and cool stuff at the end.
 

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So is Primordium the book after Cryptum? I got through Cryptum, although it wasn't my favorite, and haven't kept track of anymore of that series releasing.
 

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So is Primordium the book after Cryptum? I got through Cryptum, although it wasn't my favorite, and haven't kept track of anymore of that series releasing.
Yep.

Primordium suffers a lot of the same problems Cryptum had. First half-three quarters of the book is kinda slow and dull, but the ending makes up for it.
 

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So uh, has anyone talked about how the live action thingy seems to contradict what we already know about how the Infinity gets to Requiem based on Primordium. Or who is in control. Or what he is looking for.