Has Brawl raised the standard for fighters?

[Yoboman]

At least from content stand-point? I keep thinking about all these great fighters coming out, and how many are probably going to just be miles behind the bar in features now. It wouldn't surprise me if Street Fighter 4 came out very barebones, just the basic characters and limited in features. I'm going to be dissapointed if I don't find an amazing soundtrack, diverse cast, replay sharing, level creation and for God sakes, I'd hope they started putting some effort into the singleplayer (though if it ends up something like Tekken Force, don't bother) in all the big fighters from now on

 

[PantherLotus]

One word answer: NO.

 

[Kuroyume]

You're going to be disappointed if you don't have your Pokemons in Street Fighter?

 

[Speevy]

In terms of depth? No.
In terms of features? Probably not.
In terms of online play? I don't think so.
In terms of graphics? Definitely not.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

Stick to Smash Bros and to answer your question...no.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Wait, why are we talking about fan service games as if they were legitimate fighting games?

 

[Sol..]

It all seems like fluff, but it sure would be nice if people found more ways to get more content in and get the most out of the genre.

 

[Amir0x]

ARE YOU FUCKING INS--

At least from content stand-point?

--oh. Well then yes, actually. If there is any good thing to be said about that forsaken game, it's that those motherfuckers packed the shit to the breaking point. It's really quite absurd. If you actually like the game, it's enough content to last you forever and ever. ALSO, highlight to the amount of music.

 

[ZeroTolerance]

Going places this thread is.

 

[avatar299]

Smash has a ton of features, but it's not like fight fans want these features. I can't see SF4 being pegged for lack of stage editor.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

raised the standard for fighters? Yes, I'd say so.

 

[loosus]

Uh, no. This would make more sense (and probably still be wrong, though) if you asked the same about Melee, seeing as how Brawl is just Melee on stereoids. That might not be a bad thing, of course, but the games aren't really much different.

Oh, and this:

Wait, why are we talking about fan service games as if they were legitimate fighting games?

 

[WasabiKing]

LOWERED

 

[Mamesj]

This thread is going places.


and to answer: hell no. it's nice when a portable fighter like Alpha 3 max has a bunch of single player stuff to do, but console fighters can usually stand on their fighting engine when it comes to providing fun.

 

[Nastrodamous]

no

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Wait, why are we talking about fan service games as if they were legitimate fighting games?

Seconded.

 

[Yoboman]

People reading the title and nothing more FTL

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Wait, why are we talking about fan service games as if they were legitimate fighting games?

Not a fan of Marvel vs Capcom series, Capcom vs SNK series, King of Fighter series, MUGEN, etc etc etc?

 

[PhoenixDark]

At least from content stand-point? I keep thinking about all these great fighters coming out, and how many are probably going to just be miles behind the bar in features now. It wouldn't surprise me if Street Fighter 4 came out very barebones, just the basic characters and limited in features. I'm going to be dissapointed if I don't find an amazing soundtrack, diverse cast, replay sharing, level creation and for God sakes, I'd hope they started putting some effort into the singleplayer (though if it ends up something like Tekken Force, don't bother) in all the big fighters from now on

you're joking right?

 

[MisterHero]

It's the only fighter people care to buy/play these days.

So yeah. :lol

 

[Christine]

I don't think it's fair to demand unlimited budgets, fanservice from dozens of IPs and the support of half the Japanese VG musicians working in the industry from most fighting games.

 

[PantherLotus]

Longer answer:

No. Outside of additional content, an interesting adventure mode, and a questionable online mode, the party fighter is essentially the same thing that was released on the GameCube some 4-5 years ago (I think).

In the same breath, I won't say that SCIV will raise the bar outside of boob physics and nice graphics.

I don't think the bar has been significantly raised for fighters since the orginal Soul Calibur was released on the Dreamcast. Everything else has been refinement, additional content, and graphical upgrades. I guess one could make an argument that all of these add up to incremental "raising of the standard" but not significant enough to warrant its own topic.

I think SFIV has a chance of doing that, though.

 

[Speevy]

People reading the title and nothing more FTL

The actual meaning of the thread would have fit the title, actually. It's kind of silly that it isn't in the thread title.

 

[Walshicus]

ARE YOU FUCKING INS--



--oh. Well then yes, actually. If there is any good thing to be said about that forsaken game, it's that those motherfuckers packed the shit to the breaking point. It's really quite absurd. If you actually like the game, it's enough content to last you forever and ever. ALSO, highlight to the amount of music.

Yup, they catered to the detestable wretches who make up their player base rather well. Those gits will be playing [and endlessly talking, talking, talking] about Brawl for a long time to come.

I think I still have anger issues with the franchise from my time running my university's gaming society.

 

[TheGreatDave]

God, Smash threads fucking suck.

 

[The-Switcher]

It's a good thing no Smash Tourney fags are here, or you haters would be shut down in a hurry.

In terms of sheer options, yeah, Smash does raise the bar. But other fighting franchises can't exactly compete with said features, cuz it simply wouldn't fit with their gameplay styles.

And remember, Street Fighter Anniversary collection, had replays, long before Smash did.

 

[Leonsito]

Reading some answers it looks like some people only read the title and not the content of the post.

That said, I think that SSBB has raised the standard for extra-content and fanservice in every genre, not only fighters.

 

[MisterHero]

Longer answer:

No. Outside of additional content, an interesting adventure mode, and a questionable online mode, the party fighter is essentially the same thing that was released on the GameCube some 4-5 years ago (I think).

FAIL FAIL FAIL

 

[PantherLotus]

Reading some answers it looks like some people only read the title and not the content of the post.

That said, I think that SSBB has raised the standard for extra-content and fanservice in every genre, not only fighters.

If this argument is made again, then a mod should update the title to:

"Has Brawl incrementally increased the standard for fighters in terms of additional unwanted fanboy fappery like music tracks?"

in which i say would be a resounding YES! Brawl has raised the standard for what we'll expect when the next sequel comes out!!

 

[FabCam]

In terms of content, probably. But in terms of depth, graphics and online; God no.

 

[PacoDG]

At least from content stand-point? I keep thinking about all these great fighters coming out, and how many are probably going to just be miles behind the bar in features now. It wouldn't surprise me if Street Fighter 4 came out very barebones, just the basic characters and limited in features. I'm going to be dissapointed if I don't find an amazing soundtrack, diverse cast, replay sharing, level creation and for God sakes, I'd hope they started putting some effort into the singleplayer (though if it ends up something like Tekken Force, don't bother) in all the big fighters from now on

I think if Street Fighter IV is barebones in content, they will make up for it by having a little more than 5 moves per character.

I do always hope for as many levels as possible. But obviously items are just a Smash thing (maybe Soul Calibur will touch on this more). Other than that though, what content do you want? Stickers? Trophies?

Online play, a lot of moves, good varied levels, decent character selection (around 12-15 at the very least), that is all I ask for a good fighting game.

 

[Amir0x]

Yup, they catered to the detestable wretches who make up their player base rather well. Those gits will be playing [and endlessly talking, talking, talking] about Brawl for a long time to come.

I think I still have anger issues with the franchise from my time running my university's gaming society.

Heh. Fanwankery aside, if the question is purely about setting the standard for CONTENT I can't really think of any fighting game that has a comparable level of content. Mechanics, sure. A zillion fighting games have better mechanics, too many to actually name. But not many go the length SSBB did to appease its fanbase. It's bleeding content.

You see I can disconnect my unending hate for Smash Bros. to reply honestly and objectively.

 

[Error]

You're going to be disappointed if you don't have your Pokemons in Street Fighter?

thats not what he said?

you should read before posting.

 

[Speevy]

It's a good thing no Smash Tourney fags are here, or you haters would be shut down in a hurry.

Is that a term of endearment or something?

 

[hokahey]

Wait, why are we talking about fan service games as if they were legitimate fighting games?

That's just bullshit trolling.

Was Powerstone not a legitimate fighting game?

That fucking "fan service" meme should be bannable.



To answer the OP, I think the answer is yes it should, but no it won't. SSBB is loaded with content to an almost absurd degree.

 

[dammitmattt]

I'd have more fun with Ken and Ryu on one stage in SF4 than the entirety of Smas Bros Brawl. With that said, aside from the number of characters (which is still less than many fighting games) and stages (which is more than I can ever remember), all of the other extras/unlockables are mainly fan service that have little to do with the core game.

 

[Amir0x]

hokahey his actual point aside you know if he was using fanservice in a way that wasn't totally applicable, then maybe.

But it's a fact that Smash Bros. is probably the world's biggest fanservice, fanwanking game of fanwanking fanservice that ever fanwanked.

 

[loosus]

That said, I think that SSBB has raised the standard for extra-content and fanservice in every genre, not only fighters.

The standard? Really? Wow, you might as well hang it up, then. If you think companies (Nintendo, of all of them, for Christ's sake) are going to start putting this much money into games, then you are sadly mistaken. In terms of content, Brawl is -- by far -- the exception and will continue to be. Nintendo itself would've never put this much cash into Brawl if it didn't have all the Nintendo characters and whatnot. Otherwise, they'd be scared.

Fuck, Nintendo/HAL/whomever has NEVER put this much into a game before. And you think this is the new "standard" now?

 

[Jirotrom]

Id say yes in terms of content though they cut corners like rankings and such... but Soul Calibur 3 as much as I didn't like that game had a ton of content as well and really the Soul Calibur series as a whole has always had a lot of content.

 

[Yoshichan]

In terms of depth? No.
In terms of features? Probably not.
In terms of online play? I don't think so.
In terms of graphics? Definitely not.

This.

 

[Kuroyume]

thats not what he said?

you should read before posting.

Really? Maybe you should try reading.

I'm going to be dissapointed if I don't find an amazing soundtrack, diverse cast, replay sharing, level creation and for God sakes, I'd hope they started putting some effort into the singleplayer (though if it ends up something like Tekken Force, don't bother) in all the big fighters from now on

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

When superfluous content comes at the expense of the game itself I take issue.
There is no finer example than SSBB.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Brawl is closer to Segagaga or that Capcom vs. Namco game than Street Fighter or Soul Calibur, so no.

 

[A Link to the Past]

People who say it's not a fighting game are dumb.

Fighting games don't have to be rip-offs of Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Brawl's a different KIND of fighting game.

 

[MisterHero]

I'd have more fun with Ken and Ryu on one stage in SF4 than the entirety of Smas Bros Brawl. With that said, aside from the number of characters (which is still less than many fighting games) and stages (which is more than I can ever remember), all of the other extras/unlockables are mainly fan service that have little to do with the core game.

lolz

you say this as if SF4 isn't SFII fanwank

 

[Yoboman]

I think if Street Fighter IV is barebones in content, they will make up for it by having a little more than 5 moves per character.

I do always hope for as many levels as possible. But obviously items are just a Smash thing (maybe Soul Calibur will touch on this more). Other than that though, what content do you want? Stickers? Trophies?

Online play, a lot of moves, good varied levels, decent character selection (around 12-15 at the very least), that is all I ask for a good fighting game..

I think they could think outside the box a bit. I'm not asking them to copy Smash Bros, especially not from a gameplay point, but it would be nice to see them kick up the production values abit and throw in some features we've never seen before. And I realise not every game can do it. Tekken has taken steps this way since 5 but I think they still need to do a lot more

I think Street Fighter IV especially can be a fan-service lovefest

 

[Error]

Really? Maybe you should try reading.

nowhere did he say he want pokemons in SF4

now I really wonder if you can actually read.

 

[Jirotrom]

Really? Maybe you should try reading.

I don't get it...

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

But it's a fact that Smash Bros. is probably the world's biggest fanservice, fanwanking game of fanwanking fanservice that ever fanwanked.

Masters of Teras kasi
Ehrgeiz
Capcom Fighting Jam
DreamMix TV World Fighters

All off the top of my head, just within the fighting genre.

 

[Pellham]

what, people still consider Brawl a fighter? I thought it was more of a party or action game..