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Has Valve opened the door for Sony to release a PSP2 for Japan market

KAL2006

Banned
So we have Shuhei Yoshida who can't hide his love for portables.


Sony are now dedicated to making PC ports of there games. We have the already announced and released games for PC but there was also a Nvidia leak with more games such as Gran Turismo 7, Horizon 2, Returnal and Demons Souls. Sony also went onto aquire Nixxes who specialise in PC ports. So we can see that they are serious about PC ports going forward. We also had Jim Ryan state he wishes Sony wasn't so restricted with the target audience and platforms.

This leads to Japan market where Switch is killing it and PS5 isn't doing too hot right now in Japan. We know Japan market has moved away from consoles.

So why get into making a dedicated portable instead of letting Valve sell Steam Deck. Well this is totally from a business and marketing perspective. Sony can release there own PC Store running on Linux, using the same compatibility layer as Steam Deck. Except they would have more control, they can ensure every single game is 100 percent compatible with PSP2. They can add cloud saves with PS5. Cross buy or at the least Cross Discount with PS5. Trophy support and etc. The form factor can be more like GPD Win 3 which is more portable. Every game would require pre determined settings that can work with PSP2 on the store with no weird splash screen or launcher. Of course you can change settings if you want as well as install Steam or any other store as it's still a Linux PC. Sony can probably mass produce more than Valve, have more marketing muscle and etc. The drawback of course like Epic they will have to start from scratch with the store, they can at the least try get some games to have cross buy, trophy and cross save support to get the ball rolling. In terms of a business perspective Sony will be able to make money without giving a cut to Valve. Of course like Microsoft they can still continue to release games on Steam this would just be another option.

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They can also have PS1, PSP, Vita emulator
 
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UnNamed

18+ Member
Yoshida on why Psvita struggled. From 2012. Lucid and smart analysis on what went wrong, after just one year from the release:


Gamers have selective memories, and discussions are often based on facts we pretend they don't exist because they don't support our bias.

What are other example of established facts people pretend to be unknown?
 

Shut0wen

Member
Tbf lets be honest it lacked first party content as well, resistance and killzone were awful, uncharted was just like any uncharted game, gravity rush was ok (extremely over rated) it just never got the great first party support like the psp did, sony supported it for a year and gave up why would third party even bother if sony aint
 

SkylineRKR

Member
Yeah Sony just didn't have the means or manpower to fully support it. They put some B or C studios on small time Vita projects (ND, SSM etc surely weren't there) and called it a day. They never bothered to put some of their bigger franchises on it, except for a launch Uncharted game by Bend studios.

PSP had a FAR better library anyway. Looking at it that system might even have one of the best libraries full stop. I'm talking MH, FFVII: CC, GoW, Tactics Ogre, KH BBS, MG Acid, Lumines, Dissidia, Resistance Retribution etc etc. I really liked the PSP. The Vita had better d-pad, 2 sticks etc, but sadly not half as good a library as PSP had. Vita is actually a good purchase if you want to play PSP games and PSX classics, they play better on Vita.
 
Steam Deck in its current iteration is already over 400 bucks for the cheapest model with only 64GB of storage space (i.e. not even enough to hold many last gen games), and it's running PS4 ports at 800p/low settings. A version offering enough power and space to run PS5 ports would be way too expensive to compete in the Japanese handheld market.
 

Bragr

Member
It's the same issue that the steam deck will face, namely that most of the games on the platform play a lot better on their big brother hardcore, the console, and the PC. So people don't see the need to convert, they don't feel like they are missing something by not playing Uncharted Golden Abyss or the 2 God of War PSP games and the like. The consoles versions of those games are simply a lot better. You feel like you are playing a downgraded port with subpar controls rather than the real thing.

Nintendo manages to make software that feels at home on a handheld, and as a Zelda or Mario fan, you actually want to play the DS and 3DS Zelda's ad Mario's as well as the console ones, because it doesn't feel like secondary software.
 

KAL2006

Banned
Steam Deck in its current iteration is already over 400 bucks for the cheapest model with only 64GB of storage space (i.e. not even enough to hold many last gen games), and it's running PS4 ports at 800p/low settings. A version offering enough power and space to run PS5 ports would be way too expensive to compete in the Japanese handheld market.

They can go for the same power but undercut valve on price as they will have a larger productoin line. And this can release around 2023 so by then Steam Deck tech price should lower.
 

KAL2006

Banned
It's the same issue that the steam deck will face, namely that most of the games on the platform play a lot better on their big brother hardcore, the console, and the PC. So people don't see the need to convert, they don't feel like they are missing something by not playing Uncharted Golden Abyss or the 2 God of War PSP games and the like. The consoles versions of those games are simply a lot better. You feel like you are playing a downgraded port with subpar controls rather than the real thing.

Nintendo manages to make software that feels at home on a handheld, and as a Zelda or Mario fan, you actually want to play the DS and 3DS Zelda's ad Mario's as well as the console ones, because it doesn't feel like secondary software.

Breath of the Wild is an open world game that fits on a handheld. Nowadays these games load faster than to SSD, the sage system and level designed works around short bursts of play. Something like Horizon could just work as well as Zelda. Also the difference here is your not playing spin offs you are just playing the same game the full sequels with lower settings
 

Kenpachii

Member
The power of steam deck is the openness, sony handheld can't do it. They will have to make software for it to sell. Also PC ports have no minimum requirements, with a new psp they will have a new low. Which means they will have to nuke PS5 games downwards to there psp model in order for it to work. which honestly nobody wants to do on there platform.

So no.
 
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PaintTinJr

Member
It's the same issue that the steam deck will face, namely that most of the games on the platform play a lot better on their big brother hardcore, the console, and the PC. So people don't see the need to convert, they don't feel like they are missing something by not playing Uncharted Golden Abyss or the 2 God of War PSP games and the like. The consoles versions of those games are simply a lot better. You feel like you are playing a downgraded port with subpar controls rather than the real thing.

Nintendo manages to make software that feels at home on a handheld, and as a Zelda or Mario fan, you actually want to play the DS and 3DS Zelda's ad Mario's as well as the console ones, because it doesn't feel like secondary software.
We'll have to wait and see IMO. My theory is that the different architecture (ARM in this case) was the issue for the Vita, because when a game version isn't selling - and maybe has technical issues post-launch - a business wouldn't want to double down on the risk to improve the game without guarantees of sales improving.

On x86_64 the improvements to the PC version - that looks best - will improve the portable version too
 
They can go for the same power but undercut valve on price as they will have a larger productoin line. And this can release around 2023 so by then Steam Deck tech price should lower.
We're just now getting a handheld that can run PS4 games (at lower settings and with a reduced resolution), eight years after the release of that console, and that handheld is still significantly more expensive than the PS4 itself. On top of that, we're in the middle of a major chip shortage that is limiting production and driving up prices, and it's expected to last for another two years at least.

But in spite all if this, you think Sony can not only have a portable capable of running PS5 games out by 2023, but have it compete with the Switch in terms of pricing? That's just being delusional.
 

Papacheeks

Gold Member
So we have Shuhei Yoshida who can't hide his love for portables.


Sony are now dedicated to making PC ports of there games. We have the already announced and released games for PC but there was also a Nvidia leak with more games such as Gran Turismo 7, Horizon 2, Returnal and Demons Souls. Sony also went onto aquire Nixxes who specialise in PC ports. So we can see that they are serious about PC ports going forward. We also had Jim Ryan state he wishes Sony wasn't so restricted with the target audience and platforms.

This leads to Japan market where Switch is killing it and PS5 isn't doing too hot right now in Japan. We know Japan market has moved away from consoles.

So why get into making a dedicated portable instead of letting Valve sell Steam Deck. Well this is totally from a business and marketing perspective. Sony can release there own PC Store running on Linux, using the same compatibility layer as Steam Deck. Except they would have more control, they can ensure every single game is 100 percent compatible with PSP2. They can add cloud saves with PS5. Cross buy or at the least Cross Discount with PS5. Trophy support and etc. The form factor can be more like GPD Win 3 which is more portable. Every game would require pre determined settings that can work with PSP2 on the store with no weird splash screen or launcher. Of course you can change settings if you want as well as install Steam or any other store as it's still a Linux PC. Sony can probably mass produce more than Valve, have more marketing muscle and etc. The drawback of course like Epic they will have to start from scratch with the store, they can at the least try get some games to have cross buy, trophy and cross save support to get the ball rolling. In terms of a business perspective Sony will be able to make money without giving a cut to Valve. Of course like Microsoft they can still continue to release games on Steam this would just be another option.

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They can also have PS1, PSP, Vita emulator

reason PS5 hasn’t done well even after selling over 1 million consoles is those did not go to customers they went to overseas. Being re-some to Asian territories.

hence software discrepancy seen in in sales data.

once things get cleared up stock wise I can see PS5 selling. But steam deck has potential to be Sonys golden goose. Who knows if Sony makes a deal with valve to make a PlayStation branded steam deck? I could see that.
 

Woopah

Member
To succeed in Japan again Sony needs more/better software for the market. Portablility won't help that much.
 

dvdvideo

Member
its very simple really.
Sony does not have enough resource for TWO platforms.

Nintendo on the other hand prioritise on one platform.

Except things are different now, with the scalability and architecture similarity, they could launch every aaa game for ps5 and the portable simultaneously for very little effort.
Not only that, it could easy be hooked to a tv like the switch.
This is why ms or Sony should launch a handheld now, things would be different.
 

Orta

console wars 2020 - participant
Japan doesn't give a shite what Sony does. And Nintendo would eat them alive if they dared re-enter the portable market anyway.
 

Duchess

Member
I actually think that Sony should look into revisiting a portal system to sell in Japan; it appears that the Japanese prefer not to be shackled to TVs these days.

PS Now, with streaming to a phone..? Hmm, no. It's not like you can exactly play that on a subway train.
 

lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Except things are different now, with the scalability and architecture similarity, they could launch every aaa game for ps5 and the portable simultaneously for very little effort.
Not only that, it could easy be hooked to a tv like the switch.
This is why ms or Sony should launch a handheld now, things would be different.
you mean like 2 versions of the same game, one for console one for portable handheld?
 

RoboFu

One of the green rats
Shouldnt you wait to see how the steam deck performs in the market place for a year or two before making such claims?
 
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Kokoloko85

Member
Releasing a PSP3 now would be much better than when releasing the Vita.

Now handhelds like Switch and SteamDeck have 4 shoulder buttons, and the power to play modern console games.

So that means, downgraded library of PS4/PS5 games and no need to have 1st party studios waste time making dedicated games. Just like Steam is doing with steamdeck and studios are doing releasing games on Switch-PS4 and Xbox 1 etc

Also Microsd so no memory card problems.

PSP sold really really worldwide so of they release a PSP3 with the full PS4/PS5 library that would be awesome
 
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Kokoloko85

Member
you mean like 2 versions of the same game, one for console one for portable handheld?

Why not.
PC’s play games depending on your hardware. And since the PS4 Pro, Xbox 1X, Switch and now SteamDeck studios are getting use to making downgraded games for weaker consoles etc
 

Iced Arcade

Member
So you want sony to slap a PlayStation logo on a steam deck....

- why would they want to do that when they can just release games on PC/steam deck?
- why on earth would any consumer want that over a steam deck?
 

KAL2006

Banned
So you want sony to slap a PlayStation logo on a steam deck....

- why would they want to do that when they can just release games on PC/steam deck?
- why on earth would any consumer want that over a steam deck?

So they can make more money and not pay valve a cut. They can also improve the marketing of such product. As a consumer Steam Deck is better but I'm looking at it in a business perspective.
 

Vlodril

Member
Sony isn't going back to handheld consoles. They have bet on the tradition model plus VR. How will they do remains to be seen (I did love the vita personally).
 

Great Hair

Banned
jack reacher GIF
 

KAL2006

Banned
Sony isn't going back to handheld consoles. They have bet on the tradition model plus VR. How will they do remains to be seen (I did love the vita personally).

It's not a big bet more of an experiment. They won't be using resources as their games are already ported to PC. The only resource is making the PlayStation Storefront and the hardware which isn't exactly custom and marketing.
 

dvdvideo

Member
you mean like 2 versions of the same game, one for console one for portable handheld?

Yes, they effectively do it already as the bottom spec for pc would be at or near the handheld level. This wasn't possible with prior generations of handhelds like the vita and the PlayStation as the architecture was completely different.
 

mhirano

Member
So we have Shuhei Yoshida who can't hide his love for portables.


Sony are now dedicated to making PC ports of there games. We have the already announced and released games for PC but there was also a Nvidia leak with more games such as Gran Turismo 7, Horizon 2, Returnal and Demons Souls. Sony also went onto aquire Nixxes who specialise in PC ports. So we can see that they are serious about PC ports going forward. We also had Jim Ryan state he wishes Sony wasn't so restricted with the target audience and platforms.

This leads to Japan market where Switch is killing it and PS5 isn't doing too hot right now in Japan. We know Japan market has moved away from consoles.

So why get into making a dedicated portable instead of letting Valve sell Steam Deck. Well this is totally from a business and marketing perspective. Sony can release there own PC Store running on Linux, using the same compatibility layer as Steam Deck. Except they would have more control, they can ensure every single game is 100 percent compatible with PSP2. They can add cloud saves with PS5. Cross buy or at the least Cross Discount with PS5. Trophy support and etc. The form factor can be more like GPD Win 3 which is more portable. Every game would require pre determined settings that can work with PSP2 on the store with no weird splash screen or launcher. Of course you can change settings if you want as well as install Steam or any other store as it's still a Linux PC. Sony can probably mass produce more than Valve, have more marketing muscle and etc. The drawback of course like Epic they will have to start from scratch with the store, they can at the least try get some games to have cross buy, trophy and cross save support to get the ball rolling. In terms of a business perspective Sony will be able to make money without giving a cut to Valve. Of course like Microsoft they can still continue to release games on Steam this would just be another option.

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They can also have PS1, PSP, Vita emulator
Dude WTF you just robbed my thread from a day earlier. Even used the same arguments.

But as your idea is genius (Steam Deck really is the PSP and Vita spiritual successor), I'll allow it.
Ill Allow It Spanish GIF
 

brian0057

Member
How about we wait to see if the Steam Deck is actually a success?
Especially when we're talking about a company that's 0 - 4 on the hardware department.
 
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Keihart

Member
Yoshida on why Psvita struggled. From 2012. Lucid and smart analysis on what went wrong, after just one year from the release:


Gamers have selective memories, and discussions are often based on facts we pretend they don't exist because they don't support our bias.

What are other example of established facts people pretend to be unknown?
Yeah, it needed Monhun, no shot at the japanese market without it at that time.
The psp was a monster hunter machine for many owners at that point in time.
 
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iHaunter

Member
No company has been able to knock Nintendo of their handheld perch since 1989....the Vita was just another one of those entries to try its hand...
Didn't try very hard. I don't think Nintendo did anything to combat it. Just failed.
 
I hope not because once again it means sony is allocating 1st party resources to developing for a platform i don’t give a shit about.

Ps5/PC/VR/Mobile games is enough
 
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GPD, Win, AYN neo and alot of those pc type things have existed in the asia area for years now in fact you could get a $100 netbook back in what 08 09 and play any old jrpg through emulation just fine.
 

RCU005

Member
It would make sense that PlayStation partners with Valve than making a new portable console. If the Steam Deck is successful, it could be possible they could do something in the future. It's unlikely, but you never know.

I guess PlayStation is more focused in VR at the moment.
 

Kyshakk

Member
Stop trying to make the PSP2 a thing. The only reason the original PSP sold so many copies was because of piracy. The same thing will befall the PSP2. It's going to sell lots of hardware with minimal software attachment because everyone is just going to pirate the shit out of it.
 
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Claus Grimhildyr

Vincit qui se vincit
No. The Deck is not the PSP 2, or the PSVita 2, or anything to do with Sony.

I am still not sold that it will be a device that will last more than a couple of years before Valve gets bored with it like they did with the Steam Machines.
 
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