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HD Zelda

I still expect people, when they see HD Mario, to react with "yeah, that makes sense, I was kind of expecting it to look like that". With HD Zelda it will be "dear God Nintendo you ruined my innocence" or "Why does Link look all stylized? I don't get it, go back to the OoT look".
 
For what it's worth, the concept art for SS would be more than welcome as the look an HD Zelda might shoot for. And frankly, I'd be shocked if Nintendo simply tossed it out after developing it - it's a nice combination of the various looks over the years.
 
Vinci said:
For what it's worth, the concept art for SS would be more than welcome as the look an HD Zelda might shoot for. And frankly, I'd be shocked if Nintendo simply tossed it out after developing it - it's a nice combination of the various looks over the years.

If that's the kind of look you like then I think the 2nd David and Goliath image I posted would be perfect for Zelda. It's still my favorite after everything that's been posted in the thread. For me the theory behind the look of Skyward Sword makes perfect sense, tread a middle path, but something about it doesn't feel satisfying when you actually look at it.
 
apana said:
None of the pictures I posted were devoid of color. Actually if you look at Twilight Princess, it's probably not very cute or cartoony compared to most PS2/Gamecube fantasy games. I think people are confusing certain themes with certain art styles. Oil painting look doesn't mean Zelda will become God of War 3.

Twilight Princess' locations used muted colors and realistic proportions. However, the characters, especially all the npcs and even minor monsters, still had pretty cartoony designs, even if using muted colors too.

Like I've said before, if they go for a "realistic" take for a next gen Zelda, I expect realistic environments, but the character won't be as realistic as in western fantasy games.
 
apana said:
I still expect people, when they see HD Mario, to react with "yeah, that makes sense, I was kind of expecting it to look like that". With HD Zelda it will be "dear God Nintendo you ruined my innocence" or "Why does Link look all stylized? I don't get it, go back to the OoT look".

No matter the year/iteration, mario will have a huge nose, moustache and that ridiculous overall. Brawl Mario is the grittiest you'll ever see him.

Zelda always flirting with high fantasy is bound to ignite wishes of the style of the games in every camp due to this. But youäll never see Link as a grown man. He'll always stay as a young bright eyed kid with stylistic proportions and facial features.
 
NeonZ said:
I think Zelda is the one franchise Nintendo might attempt to take in a more realistic direction, in order to showcase the system's new visuals.

I would like to think Pikmin 3 could fill that role, at least with regards to the environment. That's kind of what made the first 2 so great from an artistic perspective - a very realistic world, but filled with these weird goofy creatures and sub-ecosystems that you wouldn't expect to see in an actual garden.
 
zoukka said:
No matter the year/iteration, mario will have a huge nose, moustache and that ridiculous overall. Brawl Mario is the grittiest you'll ever see him.

Zelda always flirting with high fantasy is bound to ignite wishes of the style of the games in every camp due to this. But youäll never see Link as a grown man. He'll always stay as a young bright eyed kid with stylistic proportions and facial features.

Link will always be cartoony or stylized, the way it should be, but the Link in SS is supposedly an adult.
 
PounchEnvy said:
If Nintendo wants to return to the original non-linear progression of pre-AlttP Zelda I again hope they use this art style.

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I'll always post this image until Nintendo does it damn it! Giving it a soundtrack that feels like the world is grand and keep the old-timey anime style will make me so happy.
Why do people have such intense nostalgia over that art style? I am from the same generation but have no attachment to it.
 
Clott said:
Why do people have such intense nostalgia over that art style? I am from the same generation but have no attachment to it.

Because the modern clean anime style is so dominant it's getting stale. I think it's more of a general than a specific reaction.

Also, Darksiders on PC looks fantastic. Too bad the cutscenes are videos from the console version, looks better ingame than in cutscenes :lol
 
FoxSpirit said:
Because the modern clean anime style is so dominant it's getting stale. I think it's more of a general than a specific reaction.

Also, Darksiders on PC looks fantastic. Too bad the cutscenes are videos from the console version, looks better ingame than in cutscenes :lol
Yeah it's basically this.
 
I want a dark and morbid style. Like Majoras Mask but even creepier.

I wonder if making a HD zelda game will extend the development cycle even further.
 
apana said:
This is what I mean, perfect look for Zelda. If anyone has more pictures like this, please post.

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If you want more pictures like that, go to Google and image search "Bible art". After that, do another search for "Tangled", realize that's the perfect look for an HD Zelda, and come back here and tell everyone.
 
JasonMCG said:
If you want more pictures like that, go to Google and image search "Bible art". After that, do another search for "Tangled", realize that's the perfect look for an HD Zelda, and come back here and tell everyone.
I think you're both aiming for different variations of "generic western fantasy" and I don't want Zelda to look like that at all.
 
I love the vibrant color palette in the above pic. I really hope the next Zelda looks like that and doesn't follow the trend of the drab, gritty and brownish look that has dominated HD gaming thus far.
 
Tangled looks fucking amazing and I would love that style for the next Zelda. Another style that I would also like would be if they go fot the grittier aspect, something like the ALTTP and Links Awakening mature art, or some kind of oil paint style.
BTW, Tangled backgorund visuals were inspired by Disneyland's Fantasyland, thats why I loved them so much, apart from being very similar to 2D animation.

sajj316 said:
I think there is room for improvement with Mario with the extra polygons. Consider the evolution of Mario ...

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Thats not true with Mario, the smash bros one should not be in there. The Galaxy one should.

You would thing that Sunshine Mario is similar to Galaxy. Even if he has the same design its not really true, it looks so much better in model and animation that you can see how good it looks.

The future of Mario HD? It will look like the Mario Party artworks, with very good lightning and very fluent animation, and it will look gorgeous.

The only way of Mario graphics evolution to go from now is the Toy Story graphics evolution, it looks much better but theres really not first glance differences.
 
apana said:
I still expect people, when they see HD Mario, to react with "yeah, that makes sense, I was kind of expecting it to look like that". With HD Zelda it will be "dear God Nintendo you ruined my innocence" or "Why does Link look all stylized? I don't get it, go back to the OoT look".
Yes... that is already happening with the 3DS remake of OOT
 
Wind Waker is the
best
Zelda game with the most
awesome
art style.

You're looking here to see if I'm taking it all back.

No, I am not
 
mik83kuu said:
Wind Waker is the
best
Zelda game with the most
awesome
art style.

You're looking here to see if I'm taking it all back.

No, I am not

2nd this entirely.

but its tied with majoras mask
 
Why would you do that? said:
(High res version: http://www.entremaqueros.com/bitacoras/urian/wp-content/img/2009/11/24lk0sn.jpg)

Anyway, I can see that as being a pretty good style, but not if the entire game looked like that. For instance, Twilight Princess had a dark style, but it was mostly in the Twilight Realm only. The entire game didn't look like the Twilight Realm.

I did a "colorful" mock-up in another thread with this picture, but I can't find it, so here's my quick and dirty one:
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While I agree with you in general, I wouldn't say "never" ... Nintendo mentioned in an Iwata Asks that the Zelda Team was feeling pressured by Monster Hunter because of how good it looked.
Is this pic from Twilight Princess or another Zelda game? Because I don't remember it.
 
apana said:
I'm in that camp. I didn't even know it existed till I heard Iwata announce a 3D trailer for it at the last E3.
I've been following it since it's announcement, but I have yet to see it

Verboten said:
Is this pic from Twilight Princess or another Zelda game? Because I don't remember it.

it's not a Zelda game. wasn't that a Warband image?
 
I've been playing Zelda since the NES.

Unless the new version has a Super Mario Galaxy like reinvention of the franchise I won't be buying it.

A new lick of paint isn't enough to keep me interested any more.
 
I would kill for a Zelda to look like the games in the OP. An open world Zelda with the art from Castlevania would just be ridiculous, add in a story that's not from Nintendo and dialog and....my god.

But this is Nintendo. HD Zelda will be like Zelda...but in HD. And sadly that's all the hardcore Nintendo fans need to keep them quiet.
 
apana said:
I'd like to know what a fake Zelda fan is. There were a variety of reasons why Majora's Mask wasn't a commercial success like Ocarina of Time but most of the hardcore fanbase came to love the game.

Ocarina of Time fans who essentially want every single Zelda game to be a remake or expansion on Ocarina of Time. Any time Nintendo deviates from the very standard OoT formula they get all bitchy.

Majora's Mask - WAAAAAA YOU ONLY GET TO PLAY AS CHILD LINK. NINTENDO IS KIDDEH. THE GAME IS TOO HARD. WAHH!

Wind Waker - FUCK NINTENDO. WHAT IS THIS KIDDY SHIT. YOU CAN'T PLAY AS ADULT LINK AND IT HAS THIS STUPID GIRLY ART STYLE.

Twilight Princess - *CUMS*

Twilight Princess is the worst 3D Zelda because it's the game Nintendo made to appease all the whiny bitches who were complaining about MM and WW games being nothing like Ocarina of Time.
 
Ducky_McGee said:
Ocarina of Time fans who essentially want every single Zelda game to be a remake or expansion on Ocarina of Time. Any time Nintendo deviates from the very standard OoT formula they get all bitchy.

Majora's Mask - WAAAAAA YOU ONLY GET TO PLAY AS CHILD LINK. NINTENDO IS KIDDEH. THE GAME IS TOO HARD. WAHH!

Wind Waker - FUCK NINTENDO. WHAT IS THIS KIDDY SHIT. YOU CAN'T PLAY AS ADULT LINK AND IT HAS THIS STUPID GIRLY ART STYLE.

Twilight Princess - *CUMS*

Twilight Princess is the worst 3D Zelda because it's the game Nintendo made to appease all the whiny bitches who were complaining about MM and WW games being nothing like Ocarina of Time.
There is still a contingent who wants Nintendo to make every Zelda game Link to the Past who didn't enjoy OOT's style
 
Ducky_McGee said:
Ocarina of Time fans who essentially want every single Zelda game to be a remake or expansion on Ocarina of Time. Any time Nintendo deviates from the very standard OoT formula they get all bitchy.

Majora's Mask - WAAAAAA YOU ONLY GET TO PLAY AS CHILD LINK. NINTENDO IS KIDDEH. THE GAME IS TOO HARD. WAHH!

Wind Waker - FUCK NINTENDO. WHAT IS THIS KIDDY SHIT. YOU CAN'T PLAY AS ADULT LINK AND IT HAS THIS STUPID GIRLY ART STYLE.

Twilight Princess - *CUMS*

Twilight Princess is the worst 3D Zelda because it's the game Nintendo made to appease all the whiny bitches who were complaining about MM and WW games being nothing like Ocarina of Time.
In all my years on GAF, this is absolutely the worst break down of Zelda fans I've ever read.
 
Ickman3400 said:
I would kill for a Zelda to look like the games in the OP. An open world Zelda with the art from Castlevania would just be ridiculous, add in a story that's not from Nintendo and dialog and....my god.

But this is Nintendo. HD Zelda will be like Zelda...but in HD. And sadly that's all the hardcore Nintendo fans need to keep them quiet.

This needs to be re-stated:

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In this thread there are whole new definitions for the terms generic and colorless. Now it basically means "anything I don't like".
 
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of people want a Zelda game that isn't a Zelda game?

I mean, I agree with changing up some elements of the game design, fixing some flaws that were signs of limited tech, and introducing some freshness to the series.

But I'm not looking for Dark Stalkers, The Witcher, gritty realism, or Lord of the Rings. The core of Zelda is perfect as it is.
 
I'd love an HD Zelda game, but I shudder to think about how Nintendo's long development cycles will increase through the necessity for HD asset creation. Unless they make everything cell shaded.
 
artwalknoon said:
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of people want a Zelda game that isn't a Zelda game?

I mean, I agree with changing up some elements of the game design, fixing some flaws that were signs of limited tech, and introducing some freshness to the series.

But I'm not looking for Dark Stalkers, The Witcher, gritty realism, or Lord of the Rings. The core of Zelda is perfect as it is.
I guess that depends on what you think the core of Zelda is.
 
artwalknoon said:
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of people want a Zelda game that isn't a Zelda game?

I mean, I agree with changing up some elements of the game design, fixing some flaws that were signs of limited tech, and introducing some freshness to the series.

But I'm not looking for Dark Stalkers, The Witcher, gritty realism, or Lord of the Rings. The core of Zelda is perfect as it is.

I don't think there have been a whole lot of people asking for realistic Zelda in content, maybe artstyle. There is a lot of stuff that is difficult to characterize. Where would my 2nd David and Goliath picture fit into this spectrum? What about Last Guardian? Is that realistic or not?
 
apana said:
I don't think there have been a whole lot of people asking for realistic Zelda in content, maybe artstyle. There is a lot of stuff that is difficult to characterize. Where would my 2nd David and Goliath picture fit into this spectrum? What about Last Guardian? Is that realistic or not?

I don't consider Last Guardian to be a super-realistic or gritty take on visual presentation. I think it follows in the same artistic vein as ICO and SoC but now with better textures, more detail, smoother animations, and in HD. What I was referring to is stuff like, gritty realism, blood, dark, nearly monochrome palettes with lots of shinnies, the usual Western RPG visual look of The Witcher, Oblivion, Dark Stalkers, Dragon Age, etc. I don't want Zelda to look like that.

As far as your David and Goliath painting if HD Zelda meant truly capturing the look of Romantic paintings, Classical Romanticism, or Renaissance paintings, or even Early American paintings, I would love it. That's not the same as videogame realism.

Also this Tangled look above me would be awesome too. ^^^
 
apana said:
I'm in that camp. I didn't even know it existed till I heard Iwata announce a 3D trailer for it at the last E3.

tangled was the best movie of 2010. and im a 27 year old man. there. i said it.
 
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