Granger Danger
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Granger Danger
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apana said:
From The Dust
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PounchEnvy said:
Adventure Time is essentially Legend of Zelda with comedy. no wonder I love it
PounchEnvy said:If Nintendo wants to return to the original non-linear progression of pre-AlttP Zelda I again hope they use this art style.
I'll always post this image until Nintendo does it damn it! Giving it a soundtrack that feels like the world is grand and keep the old-timey anime style will make me so happy.
Reminds me of the Robin Hood anime I couldn´t really watch as a kid (I was raised pretty tv free in the beginning). There´s something else I´d watch in a store´s kids section that really, really gets my brain tingling when seeing this art, but I don´t know what show it was or why it reminds me of it. It just does and that´s a shitty feeling.
I think I´d like a non-clean comic styled Zelda, but I can´t decide. WW style is great, but we already had one real and some smaller Zeldas using it. The picture with tiny Link and the huge, fat monster (Ganon?) is also great.
Ahoi-Brause
Banned
I'd buy that! Zelda Time!Emonga said:
Also 80's anime zelda like in the original art would be awesome.
AceBandage
Banned
PounchEnvy said:
Monster Hunter + Katamari Dynasty on the 3DS.
Black-Wind
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It was "MH like game that looked like katamari" or something.PounchEnvy said:
And yeah, I stand by my stance that its the Zelda team's decision to change the art style every game or so that results in these kind of threads. No one is worried about how Mario in HD will look because we don't have Mario swinging from shitty Chibi Anime to "Realistic (or "Japan Realistic" because TP doesn't look realistic ... looks like anime attempting to use realistic muddy textures and proportions )".
As much as I love SS Concept art I know that I could hate HD Zelda's style. They may want to do something like TP again to show off Cafe powers ... or they might decide to go Celda again because they refuse to let go of that style and move on (more reason for Aonuma to do something else). Hell, maybe they will make something that looks "western cartoony" like Mario or maybe they will go full anime like that Naruto game.
No one knows and thats the gas for this thread.
AceBandage
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You know what would be cool?
Spaghetti Western Zelda.
Spaghetti Western Zelda.
Black-Wind
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I never said it was a bad thing, just that thats the bread and butter of these kind of threads.apana said:
It's unique, yeah, but it does cause missteps like with WW and later with TP. Like how they talked about how hard it was making TP because Link would just look "wrong" doing certain things if everything wasn't scaled right ... so that dragged out the development time.
Twig said:
I know, its feels pretty good.
Ahoi-Brause
Banned
Because there is a pretty good essay next to it how the zelda games suffered when someone decided to turn link into a pretty boy:apana said:I like these colors but I'm not sure why the face is designed the way it is:
http://androidarts.com/console_games.htm
Black-Wind
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To bad I don't feel like getting my other ones, all the ones I have at hand would be out of context :/Twig said:
Oh well ... [insert gif]
1) You can think WW is "good art" if you want seeing as thats all subjective ... but enough fans disliked it that it had an effect on the success of the title. If Aonuma wants to cling to that art style and make it the HD cafe title when its clear that the fans don't like it then I don't see that as a good choice. "Good Art" can be loved by many if it pleases enough people. Mario and MANY other games prove this. Great Art + Great Gameplay = everyone can love it. So no, don't blame the fans for voting with their money just because they don't like the art style you do.
2) I loved TP but it was NOT worth the wait and it does NOT please me with it's muddy textures and cast of ugly characters. That game had a ton of development problems and the art style was just one of many things that held them back and dragged out the development time. Had they gone for something more exaggerated that would have solved a few problems.
Confidence Man
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Twig said:
Exactly.
Zelda has become too gamey, too puzzly, too formulaic. It's too easy, too comfortable; there isn't any sense of danger or discovery. Remember when Zelda didn't have a big crack in a wall that tells you exactly where to place a bomb? It's been a long time.
Hell, I'd get rid of the standard puzzle-dungeons entirely - no platforming, nauseating switch puzzles, or any of that stuff. Like Perseus hunting Medusa in the old Clash of the Titans, you make your way to the depths of a ruin and fight an epic battle.
AceBandage
Banned
Like how they took Galaxy back to its more linear 2D roots, Zelda definitely would benefit from returning to its more exploration based gameplay of the original.
Ether_Snake
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Guys, come on. The only good answer is the artstyle of ALTTP manual.
Otherwise, we have Demon's Souls/Dark Souls.
Otherwise, we have Demon's Souls/Dark Souls.
shadyspace
Banned
Black-Wind said:
So how is 2002 treating you?
Those Terada images really are quite nice. I like the idea of massive underground cities or caves:
Quoting Retro:
Quoting Retro:
Retro said:Alright, maybe not an ART style, but I would LOVE to see Zelda tackle a massive 'underworld'; Instead of just having the overworld and dungeons, parts of the overworld could have a large underground area beneath it to explore;
Leading down into...
(This particular cavern could hold a block of 40-story buildings with room to spare. Apparently clouds even form within the cave and occasionally rain down to the floor.)
And finally to...
Yes?
Black-Wind
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I never liked the art style, time changed nothing for me.shadyspace said:
I also didn't care much for MM when I played it even though it has somehow become the "THE LoZ" on gaf. But I'm cool like that so w/e. B)
civilstrife
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herzogzwei1989
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Black-Wind said:
I would die for a direct sequel to Twilight Princess.
civilstrife
Member
Match the style and mood of this and I'm happy.
Rentahamster
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lol, he just described the original Zelda.artwalknoon said:
apana said:
I'm glad my little musings are not completely forgotten.
I still stand by the idea that an excellent Zelda game could be built around there being both a full-sized Hyrule Overworld and a Hyrule Underworld beneath it. The connections between the two are either innocent-looking caves scattered through the wilderness or in dungeons. There could be dungeons that not only have a boss, but also an exit to the other part of the world.
I don't see Zelda in quite so black-and-white terms as some people; I like the Tool > Dungeon > Boss cycle that the newer games have, but I don't think it is mutually exclusive with the find-your-own-way of the original. I don't think you need to have one OR the other, and having two entry points into dungeons (one above and one below) would be one way to sort of blend the two together.
Maybe you enter a dungeon from the overworld and get a new tool, but using that tool doesn't get you to the dungeon boss; it gets you to a portion of the Underworld. And from there, you use that tool in the underworld to explore or revisit an older location and maybe fight a big powerful dungeon-less boss that roams around. And that guy drops the boss key for the dungeon you just came from. Or something like that.
Hell, dungeons may not even need a boss, they may just have multiple exits to parts of the world you haven't been able to get at to that point.
I always think of the descriptions for other fantasy settings like Tolkien's Angband or Warcraft's Azjol-Nerub and wonder why we haven't seen a Zelda in that vein;
(I've seen other descriptions for Angband that mention so many hidden rooms and chambers that you could spend months wandering and never see the same place twice).
Angband was primarily an underground fortress, at least after its initial destruction by the Valar in the Years of the Trees. Like its prototype, Utumno, it had many hidden underground chambers and vaults far beneath the earth.
When the Valar captured Melkor and took him in chains back to Valinor, Angband was largely destroyed and lay in ruins for many thousands of years, although beneath the ruins lay many hidden chambers in which some of Melkor's servants escaped the Valar's assault. Sauron was one of these, and the Balrogs lay hid with him in Angband's deepest vaults. (Source)
(Sadly, Blizzard decided a giant continent-sized underground civilization should only be represented by two dinky dungeons.)
Azjol-Nerub is entirely underground. Its a fascinating place and stretches for miles. It may lie beneath most or all of Northrend. The rock there is predominately granite, mixed with some igneous stone where volcanoes once rose and where magma from deep beneath bubbled up long ago. The nerubians were thorough artisans and left nary a corner untouched; every edge is smooth and faceted, every corridor planed and polished. They preserved the odd angles created by nature but straightened and widened tunnels into corridors and vaulted ceilings. (Source)
So, imagine a Zelda game, but scattered around Hyrule are little cracks in the mountains, or hidden caves amongst a field of boulders... and stepping into the unknown, torch in hand, you find an enormous Hyrule-sized network of tunnels, underground lakes, ruins... full of monsters, bosses, treasures and relics. Hell, Miyamoto came up with the entire Zelda series because he'd go exploring caves as a kid and wonder at the sense of an unknown underworld.
So, in my mind, the game has the Tool-based exploration, but large parts of it can be overcome by simply keeping a sharp eye open, figuring out harder puzzles, or simply exploring. Yes, you can find a variety of tools, and those tools will help you get to places you couldn't before.. but they are needed to progress through the game and for the most part, all you need is your sword, your shield, your bow and your wits.
Yeah, you can find some cool tools along the way if you follow 'the right path', and a lot of the tool-based rewards are needed to get the best ending or face the final boss on equal terms... but for the most part, you can get through the game with an adventurous spirit if you keep looking for a way past that door that isn't so obvious as "Use TOOL X to get KEY to unlock DOOR".
Oh, and before I forget, Apana... National Geographic's cover story this month is Yosemite, though it's focused on climbing within the park so a lot of the awesome views are hidden behind yuppies free climbing. Here's the link though; http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/05/yosemite-climbing/chin-photography
Confidence Man said:
at its heart, the legend of zelda is about exploration and wonderment. the inspiration for the series comes from miyamoto's experiences exploring when he was a kid, and that's the main feeling that's reflected in the first game and should be reflected in current games.
AniHawk said:
I think that sense of exploration and wonder will return to the series with HD zelda and maybe even SS if they handle it right. Everyone knows OoT was amazing because it was a 3d world realized right before us. But personally I felt WW also had that sense of scale, exploration, and wonder for several reasons. One, the ocean was huge, though people complain it was too empty and it did get boring at times. Second, it was a whole new world, not like how TP's hyrule is basically a slightly modified version of OoT's. In WW we had all new locations and races. Third, sailing as a way of transportation gave the game a new feel, from exploring the ocean to digging for treasure and everything else I did get that sense of exploration and wonder.
I think TP was where the series lost that feel for a number of reasons. TP was a last gen game as we were all entering the HD era. The size and scale and plain graphical quality of the game were all lacking when compared to its contemporaries. This made it hard for me to appreciate the game like I did past zeldas. Another issue for me was the familiarity of the world. TP's hyrule was too much like OoT or basically it didn't feel fresh. And lastly related to the HD gaming part, by the time TP came out I had seen other open worlds better realized in other games. So that same sense of exploration and wonder was diminished.
Still I think Nintendo can instill that sense back into the Zelda series. Whether SS pulls it off remains to be seen, we've seen next to nothing of the world itself though I'm not too hopeful. The cafe version though will have no excuse. More capable tech, better able to realize large, populated, stylistically interesting worlds. Let's hope.
Portugeezer
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Would love to explore a minish cap style world in 3D, that felt so alive.
herzogzwei1989
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PounchEnvy said:
There were tons of secret places to discover in Twilight Princess' overworld, IMHO.
It's one of the best-designed world's I've ever explored.
herzogzwei1989 said:
The problem, at least from my own personal experience, isn't that the overworld was lacking in secret places to discover, but that those places had literally nothing to offer beyond Rupees. I spent most of Twilight Princess with a full Big Wallet; I never bothered to get the Giant one from the Bug Hunt because I almost never spent any.
Less rewards that are Rupees and more things to spend Rupees on would have made Twilight Princess much more exploration friendly. As it was, I often had to leave treasure upon treasure behind because I simply didn't need any more damn rupees.
I've heard this from several other GAFers and a couple friends, so I know I'm not the only one with this complaint. So while it may be nicely designed, that design falls flat when most of the exploring is wasted potential.
Christopher
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series peaked at Ocarina and Majora's Mask.
jeremy1456
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Confidence Man said:
You are either dumb or never played the original Zelda - that game had cracks in the wall where you need to place bombs. Aside from the whereabouts of dungeons (which wasn't that difficult to figure out even back then) it held your hand as much as modern Zelda.
Unless you were speaking metaphorically.
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Hi-res?civilstrife said:Match the style and mood of this and I'm happy.
jeremy1456
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Twig said:
Have you played the original Zelda lately?
Aside from the whereabouts of dungeons, the useage of items is incredibly obvious. Also, when in doubt, push a block. It's not hard.