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Head of Burisma Indicted in Ukraine

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Ukrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million


"An indictment drawn up by Ukraine's Office of the Prosecutor General against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky claims that Hunter Biden and his partners received $16.5 million for their 'services' - according to Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky of the ruling Servant of the People Party.

"The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering," he then said, adding "Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens."
 
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Uhh...CNN, hello? MSNBC? ABC News?

Wow even Fox isn't reporting this?

And people wonder why people no longer trust the media?
 
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It does seem to be breaking news, so that gives cover for other sites not picking up yet. BUT, are the sources claiming this legit sources?? I really don't recognize any of them. But if they are, well, then a lot of people have egg on their face who have been claiming Trump was wrong to want this situation investigated.
 

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If people don't like Zerohedge, then go with Zerohedge's source:

 
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Look right here, even Time acknowledges that the money paid to Hunter Biden has been making Ukraine afraid to investigate Burisma even though they want to. Ukraine is afraid of pissing off the Dems, even though they know there are shady things going on.
 

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Look right here, even Time acknowledges that the money paid to Hunter Biden has been making Ukraine afraid to investigate Burisma even though they want to. Ukraine is afraid of pissing off the Dems, even though they know there are shady things going on.
...and they’re not afraid of pissing off Republicans?
 

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If people don't like Zerohedge, then go with Zerohedge's source:

zerohedge misrepresented what their source said.
 
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zerohedge misrepresented what their source said.
You could just read the article yourself, you know. I guess I'll do the heavy lifting of copypasting the relevant parts:

"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," Derkach said.
With reference to the investigation, he emphasized: it was money criminally obtained by the "family" of Yanukovych and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013-2014.
For his part, MP Oleksandr Dubinsky from the Servant of the People faction said that according to investigators, "the Yanukovych 'family' illegally obtained $7.4 billion and laundered the funds through an investment fund close to some representatives of the U.S. Democratic Party in the form of external government loan bonds."
Meanwhile, Derkach said that several facts indicate Franklin Templeton Investments' relationship with the U.S. Democratic Party.
"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach said.
Derkach also announced the amount of money transferred to representatives of the Burisma Group, including Hunter Biden. According to documents, in general, in favor of Hunter Biden, Alexander Kwasniewski, Alan Apter and Devon Archer, Burisma paid about $16.5 million.
According to Derkach, ex-Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin repeatedly appealed to the NABU Director Artem Sytnyk in the framework of criminal proceedings for Burisma, but constantly received formal responses. The activities of Shokin, according to the MP, irritated then U.S. Vice President Joe Biden during his fifth visit to Kyiv in two years. The visit on December 7-8, 2015, was devoted to solving the issue of Shokin's resignation for the affairs of Zlochevsky and Burisma, he said.
"The subject of pressure was the $1 billion credit guarantee that the United States should have provided to Ukraine: Biden himself acknowledged the pressure in his speech to the U.S. Foreign Relations Council in January 2018," Derkach said.
 
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...and they’re not afraid of pissing off Republicans?
Obviously they don't want to piss Trump off while he's in office. No dispute. But they want to investigate anyway in this matter. And if you deny they should be wondering what is going on with Burisma who pays millions to politically connected kids for phantom work in a language they don't speak, well, come on.
 

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I can't shake the feeling that more sources are needed. But

 

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I can't shake the feeling that more sources are needed. But


Yeah, it seems like the bigger news outlets don't want to interrupt their live coverage of the impeachment stuff.
 

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If people don't like Zerohedge, then go with Zerohedge's source:

This is the same source the media used to "debunk" Perjurin' Marie giving Lutsenko a "Do Not Prosecute" list.

Wonder why they are not using this article? Oh, right. Looks bad for Biden and "Trump bribed Ukraine to investigate conspiracy theories!!1!"
 

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is this site real ? why isn’t anyone else picking this up?
Uhh...CNN, hello? MSNBC? ABC News?

Wow even Fox isn't reporting this?

And people wonder why people no longer trust the media?
Soros is a big time funder of Media Matters. Media Matters controls what news gets reported on.

Soros is invested deeply into the new Ukrainian government and the DNC.


George is also believed to be behind the November 2004 Orange Revolution in Kiev, Ukraine. The Presidential election between Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yanukovych heated up. Reports of vote rigging would snowball into corruption accusations and voter intimidation. Protests began after Yushchenko had a projected 11% lead from exit poll results, while official numbers gave Yanukovych a 3% lead. Thousands of protesters marched the streets until January 2005. Then, officials declared Yushchenko the winner after weeks of investigation and scrutiny.

The most prominent of these was a pattern of George’s political strategy:

THE PATTERN

  • 1.) Form a shadow government (using humanitarian aid as “cover” for subversive activities)
  • 2.) Control the airwaves (fund existing radio/tv outlets or start new ones)
  • 3.) Destabilize the state (weaken government, build anti-government)
  • 4.) Provoke an election crisis
  • 5.) take power (stage demonstrations)
George went to bat for Hillary’s election as far back as October 2013. That’s when he donated $25,000 to become co-chair on the “Ready for Hillary” National Finance Committee. “His support for Ready for Hillary is an extension of his long held belief in the power of grassroots organizing,” said Soros political director Michael Vachon.

Soros Fund Management spent $10,554,093 trying to get Hillary in office (via opensecrets.org).
We are on level 4/5 here currently.
 

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Wonder how an corrupt oligarch who has ties to Burisma got taken of the US Visa ban under Joe's watch while Archer and Biden were on the board of Burisma. Oh and this is the guy who owned the bank where billions of US Taxpayer money was deposited, and then wound up in offshore accounts.

I am sure nothing strange about un banning someone traveling to the US while the son of the VP sits on the board of the company he owns.

 
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The prosecutor who has investigated Burisma is Kostiantyn Kulyk, who previously met Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to discuss accusations against the Bidens.

This will be what the TDSers will latch onto. Dems and media will try to blow this up as more of Trump illegal quid pro quo jedi mind tricks to force poor little Ukraine to do his bidding and throw the election for Corn Pop.
 
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So this combined with the impeachment farce, Democrats are striking out. Just vote it through to the Senate for the final nail in your party's coffin.
 

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If true, this sinks the impeachment hearing.

It's kind of hard to argue that the president was secretly using gov't powers without good cause just to hurt the Bidens by investigating corruption when it turns out they're actually guilty of corruption.

I'd love to see that one. President Trump exposes a corrupt VP and the Democrats want to impeach him for it because they believe he had no right do to that.

You can't impeach a president for "improperly" investigating actual corruption unless we're talking about torture or some illegal methods.
 

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If true, this sinks the impeachment hearing.

It's kind of hard to argue that the president was secretly using gov't powers without good cause just to hurt the Bidens by investigating corruption when it turns out they're actually guilty of corruption.

I'd love to see that one. President Trump exposes a corrupt VP and the Democrats want to impeach him for it because they believe he had no right do to that.

You can't impeach a president for "improperly" investigating actual corruption unless we're talking about torture or some illegal methods.
As if Democrats will care, they will just roll this into the impeachment. How dare Trump bring up corruption something something Russia something something quid pro quo.

They will focus on the fact that Rudy talked to them and call it all a right wing conspiracy. Nothing will stop the Dems impeachment train its been 3 years and going. Even if they drop it they will find something new to start all over again.
 

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As if Democrats will care, they will just roll this into the impeachment. How dare Trump bring up corruption something something Russia something something quid pro quo.

They will focus on the fact that Rudy talked to them and call it all a right wing conspiracy. Nothing will stop the Dems impeachment train its been 3 years and going. Even if they drop it they will find something new to start all over again.
We'll put your theory to the test. I think there are enough Democrats who will vote No. I think they'll cower instead of pushing it through.
 

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If true, this sinks the impeachment hearing.

It's kind of hard to argue that the president was secretly using gov't powers without good cause just to hurt the Bidens by investigating corruption when it turns out they're actually guilty of corruption.

I'd love to see that one. President Trump exposes a corrupt VP and the Democrats want to impeach him for it because they believe he had no right do to that.

You can't impeach a president for "improperly" investigating actual corruption unless we're talking about torture or some illegal methods.
You are putting our national security at risk for your own persona gain. You need to be impeached
 
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It's sad that if I don't call out these garbage sources, everyone here will just run with it, if it is to their liking
 

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Where is the "Obama-linked" laundering from the OP coming from?
 

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I think the original stories were inaccurately portraying what happened. Which left more traditional media to make a decision. Call the story down the middle (widening probe, etc.), or just say it was entirely false (because its better for impeachment narrative).
 
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Sorry, but I'm going to trust Reuters over NBC

All the NBC article says is clarify that there was no indictment mentioned in the original Russian article that zerohedge used. AKA this is why zerohedge is fake news garbage.

If you want to create a threads with that Reuters article... PLEASE !!!!
 

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All the NBC article says is clarify that there was no indictment mentioned in the original Russian article that zerohedge used. AKA this is why zerohedge is fake news garbage.

If you want to create a threads with that Reuters article... PLEASE !!!!
I believe you intended to aim this response at the OP, since I didn't make the thread.
 

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This is a pretty good article from a lefty rag on Ukraine.


8. From February 2010 to February 2014, Ukraine was headed by a democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, who opposed NATO membership. He had been elected despite routine U.S. election meddling. He has been depicted in the U.S. press as “pro-Russian” and opposed to Ukraine’s membership in the European Union. In fact, he sought entry into the EU, using his U.S. aide Paul Manafort towards that end, and backed out of an agreement after realizing the political costs of the austerity program required. He was “pro-Russian” in that he is ethnic Russian in a multi-ethnic country, and was while in power inclined to maintain good relations with the northern neighbor. He was targeted by Hillary Clinton appointee Victoria Nuland (wife of neocon warmonger Robert Kagan) for removal. He was charged with denying the Ukrainian people’s “European aspirations”—meaning, he was resisting an association with the EU (and NATO).
Notice the highlighted name. Victoria Nuland.


Emails obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request by conservative group
Citizens United
show that Jeff Goldstein, a senior policy analyst for Eurasia at George Soros’ Open Society Foundations, kept CIA officer Eric Ciaramella and former Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the State Department, Victoria Nuland, regularly informed on Ukraine policy.


As I mentioned in another thread, Fiona Hill was an advisor for the Open Society Foundation Eurasia Program.
 

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Sorry, but I'm going to trust Reuters over NBC

Politifact also says fake. (More recent than the Reuters article, FWIW.)

 
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Oh at least in that case the left wing media likes to report accurately.
If they would just do it always.


By that standard every Trump impeachment article is fake news.
Because there is just an impeachment inquiry.
 
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