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[JayK47]

My top "best possible news for PS fans" would be:

1. No more Gaas shit
2. Stop shoehorning social politics in games
3. Reinvest in the types of games that made PS3 and PS4 great

I would love to live long enough to see this happen. Sadly, I do not plan to live for another 100 years.

 

[Guilty_AI]

!!!!!

Soros?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

My top "best possible news for PS fans" would be:

1. No more Gaas shit
2. Stop shoehorning social politics in games
3. Reinvest in the types of games that made PS3 and PS4 great

1. Likely not happening. If they are willing to fund Marathon for more seasons, they'll fund anything GAAS. They still got Horizon Hunters and Fairgames to release too.

2. Social stupidity and DEI politics "should" be dropping by now and going forward because the world has seen media with jammed in politics have been laughably bad in quality and sales. Comes down to how much the Japanese execs want to crack down on it since west coast USA devs sure wont.

3. They got the studios and partnership deals if they want. Astrobot, GOW metroidvania and Housemarque games are examples of the smaller scale games which are as old gen you can get. Problem is Team Asobi focuses on niche Astrobot platformers and VR games, GOW side scrolling game was junk, and Housemarque makes sci-fi arcadey non-FPS shooters. If they made a wider variety of games it would look like Sony makes more quality budget games. But if a gamer doesnt like Astrobot or PSVR, or Housemarque's arcadey third person alien shooter games, these two studios might as well be zero in their books.

Probably the studio with the most variety of games in its history is Japan Studio (Asobi). All kinds of crazy stuff they made. But they are now an Astrobot studio.

 

[Sanepar]

My top "best possible news for PS fans" would be:

1. No more Gaas shit
2. Stop shoehorning social politics in games
3. Reinvest in the types of games that made PS3 and PS4 great

Problem is they have 8 Studios capable to make narrative sp games and I don't think Bend, Housemarquee and MM will be around for long. In the end will be SSM, ND, SP, Insomniac and Polyphony. Each Studio takes 6 years to delivery a game besides Insomniac. How many fp sp AAA narrative they will delivery during PS6? With luck 8-10 max.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Problem is they have 8 Studios capable to make narrative sp games and I don't think Bend, Housemarquee and MM will be around for long. In the end will be SSM, ND, SP, Insomniac and Polyphony. Each Studio takes 6 years to delivery a game besides Insomniac. How many fp sp AAA narrative they will delivery during PS6? With luck 8-10 max.

Nixxes will be done too if that new startegy of no more SP PC ports is concrete. Almost all of their work since acquisition is SP/PC focused. Sony didnt even bother having them work on GOW Trilogy Remake as SSM is handling it themselves.

Bend and MM should be on the chopping block too as you said. I think Housemarque survives as long as their game budgets get back to normal. If rumours are true, how Saros cost almost $80M to make is insane. Is Saros that much better to make than Returnal? Google says that game's budget was $25-30M. So somehow Saros cost triple to make at almost $80M for a bullet hell shooter!

Google says SP games GoT and GoY cost about $60M to make each. Saros costs more.

 

[Topher]

Problem is they have 8 Studios capable to make narrative sp games and I don't think Bend, Housemarquee and MM will be around for long. In the end will be SSM, ND, SP, Insomniac and Polyphony. Each Studio takes 6 years to delivery a game besides Insomniac. How many fp sp AAA narrative they will delivery during PS6? With luck 8-10 max.

Insomniac, GG, Santa Monica and Insomniac all have enough resources to work on multiple projects at a time. ND, for example, released three games last gen. Insomniac has released three this gen and two more in the works. As long as they are no longer derailed by live service nonsense then I think it should be fine.

1. Likely not happening. If they are willing to fund Marathon for more seasons, they'll fund anything GAAS. They still got Horizon Hunters and Fairgames to release too.

If Sony keeps releasing live service duds then I think at some point they will give it up. Horizon Hunters and Fairgames will likely be among the duds. Sony isn't the first to realize that not every studio is meant to make Gaas shit.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So many tears here. I thought Sony games were lame and no PC fanboy cared about it? And also Xbox guys now begging Sharma to bring back exclusives, what happened to "When everybody play we all win", all those years saying that exclusives are bad and anti consumer? Anyway lmao the damage control is so insane holy!!!

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Don't give up on your dreams!

 

[Come On Tars]

Already got Spider-Man GOW, Bloodborne TLOU and uncharted.

I'm whatever about sequels to these. They don't have shit

 

[Unfortunatecookie]

Nixxes will be done too if that new startegy of no more SP PC ports is concrete. Almost all of their work since acquisition is SP/PC focused. Sony didnt even bother having them work on GOW Trilogy Remake as SSM is handling it themselves.

Bend and MM should be on the chopping block too as you said. I think Housemarque survives as long as their game budgets get back to normal. If rumours are true, how Saros cost almost $80M to make is insane. Is Saros that much better to make than Returnal? Google says that game's budget was $25-30M. So somehow Saros cost triple to make at almost $80M for a bullet hell shooter!

Google says SP games GoT and GoY cost about $60M to make each. Saros costs more.

Yep, you're right. Some of these studios are done for. It's only a matter of time before the closure announcements are made.

 

[Three]

Nixxes will be done too if that new startegy of no more SP PC ports is concrete. Almost all of their work since acquisition is SP/PC focused.

They were working on Saros with housemarque. They might become the crossgen porting studio in a couple of years where they do the PS4 ports but it certainly means less work porting to PC now.

Bend and MM should be on the chopping block too as you said. I think Housemarque survives as long as their game budgets get back to normal. If rumours are true, how Saros cost almost $80M to make is insane. Is Saros that much better to make than Returnal? Google says that game's budget was $25-30M. So somehow Saros cost triple to make at almost $80M for a bullet hell shooter!

Google says SP games GoT and GoY cost about $60M to make each. Saros costs more.

It was $76M but yeah. That isn't a particularly high budget. It's doable if they hit just 1M or so sales. They shouldn't have a problem in the long run I don't think especially if it's used for other revenue drivers.

 

[Alex Scott]

That's fine.
They have almost nothing worth porting left anyway, their good older titles are out of date and need the Demon Souls treatment at the very least, their upcoming stuff is lackluster.

I'm expecting another U-turn in the middle of the PS6 lifecycle, and maybe by then there will be some games that are actually worth it.

There is no coming back from this. If they do come back or reverse this, it would mean they are in the position as Xbox expect much worse.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I really hope this pays off for them

All I want, is for Sony to make amazing games ON THEIR OWN. No more bullshit moneyhats to stop a platform from receiving a game. If they are going out and finding games early on and publishing, funding them, then its different. Like a second party publisher.

So, my dream and what will make me buy a PS6 is Sony returning to excellent games from the PS3 era style. Stop money hats and rely on delivering good games of their own. Also, Sony should not be allowed to buy any studios if they are going to make them fully exclusive, unless it is a studio with a history of supporting that platform, like Insomniac with Sony and Bethesda with MS.

Uncharted to the quality and level of 1-3 and not 4
Maybe some more Infamous
Sly cooper
Ratchet
Warhawk

I cant even think about last of us after 2.

But, lets go back to the Sony we all loved. Then I will support their console business going forward. If they show signs of continuing as is, then it will be the first Playstation since the PS1 I do not pick up on launch day.

 

[MrJangles]

So many tears here. I thought Sony games were lame and no PC fanboy cared about it? And also Xbox guys now begging Sharma to bring back exclusives, what happened to "When everybody play we all win", all those years saying that exclusives are bad and anti consumer? Anyway lmao the damage control is so insane holy!!!

You are welcome to them. Spiderman and its gay pride shit, God of War and its gay pride shit, Horizon, Last of Us, Saros with its lesbian bullshit, yeah......

 

[Gaiff]

So many tears here. I thought Sony games were lame and no PC fanboy cared about it? And also Xbox guys now begging Sharma to bring back exclusives, what happened to "When everybody play we all win", all those years saying that exclusives are bad and anti consumer? Anyway lmao the damage control is so insane holy!!!

Oh, shut the hell up, you bozo. No one is crying here. You're just making shit up with your narrative that exists only in your head where a bunch of games that flopped are suddenly being begged for by an audience that didn't care about them.

You're like the circus of fanboy clowns at icon-era.

 

[dgrdsv]

So Sony had a choice. SP games were performing poorly on PC even at a reduced(-10 dollars) price. The ports were selling like shit even for huge games like Spider-Man 2.

Basically this is because the zeitgeist has moved on and it is an old game. Without a second huge marketing spend to get it back in the spotlight it's going to languish which all of their SP games have done on PC.

So they had 2 choices. Either go day and date on PC to boost SP game sales or take them off PC entirely.

So even things like console owner sentiment are a priority of the meager revenue from SP PC ports.

Look at SM2 on consoles now vs PC. It sold 16 to 1 despite being cheaper on PC.

This wasn't a binary choice.
Providing a better marketing for PC releases as well as enhancing said releases technically and with content was the most obvious option which could help with PC sales.
Launching day 1 on PC never was really an option for them, and that's fine, they need to think about their own platform first (which is also why it makes a lot of sense for MS to launch day1 on Xbox and Windows).
But I'd wager that the games didn't sell well on PC because they quite literally dumped them there in a "btw it's coming to PC in a month" manner somewhere on X or between two 20 min GaaS ads during a SOP and not because they weren't on PC on the same date as on PS. This could've been fixed easily and could've provided a loop back into PS side marketing for whatever upcoming titles the same franchise would have.

Gaming marketing in general is in shambles these days cause someone somewhere decided that games are... just games... you know, why should we spend a lot of effort on making them into a generational event? Let's just launch them in a week from announcement fuck it lol. And now we're here.

Other that that, GaaS slop and rumors.

Which is why this "news" should really be read like "Sony doesn't have any SP games to port to PC now".

How would that help with premise of "buy playstation and buy sequel"?

No one who is only a PC gamer will "buy a playstation to buy a sequel", this is some fanboy mentality shit right there.
There's a tweet somewhere in the thread which shows really well that PS sequels released on PC have sold at like 1/2 of the original game's release on the same PC.
The problem isn't in the platform, it's in the Sony's approach to selling games on it. Hell, I've spent some hours trying to fucking pay them to get a game on PC cause they've locked out my region from sales because of their PSN crap. This tells you a lot already.

 

[winjer]

So Sony had a choice. SP games were performing poorly on PC even at a reduced(-10 dollars) price. The ports were selling like shit even for huge games like Spider-Man 2.

Basically this is because the zeitgeist has moved on and it is an old game. Without a second huge marketing spend to get it back in the spotlight it's going to languish which all of their SP games have done on PC.

So they had 2 choices. Either go day and date on PC to boost SP game sales or take them off PC entirely.

So even things like console owner sentiment are a priority of the meager revenue from SP PC ports.

Look at SM2 on consoles now vs PC. It sold 16 to 1 despite being cheaper on PC.

That is a good indication of how much PC gamers don't care about current Sony first party games.
They are not must play games. And Spiderman 2 is a good example of that.
I played the first one and found it a miserable experience. Everything about it was bland and mediocre.
The combat was repetitive and boring, the story was tedious and monotonous, that I don't remember anything about it. The characters were stale and mundane.
And the thing I best remember about it is that I don't want to play another section with Mary Jane.
So when Spiderman 2 showed up, I couldn't care less. Especially considering that it was full on woke slop. And for the looks of it, most PC gamers agreed with it.

The lack of quality is just one problem. The other is pricing. A 10$ discount on a 2 or 3 year old game is pathetic, considering that most games on Steam after 2 years have more than 50% discounts, often 70%.
So for most PC gamers, it feels like paying premium for something old and stale.

And then there is the quality of the ports. Not all, but several games had major issues at launch.
A great example was Uncharted 4, that for several months had issues ranging from performance, mouse controls, stutters, etc. And still to this day, it still has a shader compilation process that takes half an hour.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Sony fanboys going after PCMR is going to end in absolute Cinema. This aint Xbox, Sony Fans lol

 

[Zathalus]

Literally this entire thread:

Your post is a fascinating example of attentional bias.

Literally two posts after yours:

So many tears here. I thought Sony games were lame and no PC fanboy cared about it? And also Xbox guys now begging Sharma to bring back exclusives, what happened to "When everybody play we all win", all those years saying that exclusives are bad and anti consumer? Anyway lmao the damage control is so insane holy!!!

 

[SSfox]

Man look at what that Fucking Hermen done, we were good and shilling not having to deal with those PC flooders spamming people until that Hermen clown decided to feed little playstation bread to those PC guys, now that Sony decide to stop it and go back to their origins those people think they're entitled on some stuffs like spoiled little kids.

Sony fanboys going after PCMR is going to end in absolute Cinema. This aint Xbox, Sony Fans lol

So you admit Xbox is all a joke after being one of them white knights for so many years. ROLFMAO

And Playstation fans don't have even to do a thing to PC guys since those "PCMR" as you call are already humiliating themselves.

BTW Sony fans don't care bro about PC stuffs of their fans, i mean i wish you hapiness but beat it kid, it's not we that are posting on PC threads since we DGAFA (If such a thing exists to begin with?) but it's quite opposite, we are just excited about Playstation and the games. This is the PC fans weirdos that come flooding every Playstation thread/ news related, if it's not for non stop posting comments for Playstation games PC port begging and copium, it's to come to share about their shitty gaming tastes that nobody gives a shit about. Get a life amigos.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Your post is a fascinating example of attentional bias.

Literally two posts after yours:

Sony fanboys going after PCMR is going to end in absolute Cinema. This aint Xbox, Sony Fans lol

Oh, shut the hell up, you bozo. No one is crying here. You're just making shit up with your narrative that exists only in your head where a bunch of games that flopped are suddenly being begged for by an audience that didn't care about them.

You're like the circus of fanboy clowns at icon-era.

You are welcome to them. Spiderman and its gay pride shit, God of War and its gay pride shit, Horizon, Last of Us, Saros with its lesbian bullshit, yeah......

Dont feed the gremlin people, its comically obvious they're baiting for attention (since they have no games to play)

 

[Von Hugh]

I get it. But still an insane decision.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Thread got pretty cringe, pretty fast lol.

 

[Ultralow35]

Maybe im missing something there was a rumor about this then there was a rumor about the rumor and now there is a He say she say the rumor is true but there is nothing officail at all... Are did i miss something?

 

[Guilty_AI]

Maybe im missing something there was a rumor about this then there was a rumor about the rumor and now there is a He say she say the rumor is true but there is nothing officail at all... Are did i miss something?

Its all jason schreier and the whole thing relies on the fact his insider scoops tend to be accurate.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

It's all jason schreier and the whole thing relies on the fact his insider scoops tend to be accurate.

He also occasionally has the floor fall out even when he has has "two plus" sourced articles. But he has been fairly articulate since publishing for Bloomberg opposed to the mess occasionally occurring while at Kotaku.

On the other side of things, why has this been collaborated elsewhere and if Sony and Hulst have been screaming this and Jason has always chased being first over accuracy. I imagine the by next showcase ends it should be put to bed either way.

 

[Prodyhig]

Remember those vegan types who are constantly telling you how bad meat is?

Well, a certain type of PC gamer on NeoGAF is the same.

In fact, it should be called SonyGAF because all I ever see on the front page are news stories related to Sony PlayStation, and the people who are constantly spreading FUD are suspiciously the same gamers who would never want a PlayStation.

 

[Ultralow35]

Remember those vegan types who are constantly telling you how bad meat is?

Well, a certain type of PC gamer on NeoGAF is the same.

In fact, it should be called SonyGAF because all I ever see on the front page are news stories related to Sony PlayStation, and the people who are constantly spreading FUD are suspiciously the same gamers who would never want a PlayStation.

Man please there is more Xbox news good or bad on here at any given time

 

[TintoConCasera]

Remember those vegan types who are constantly telling you how bad meat is?

Well, a certain type of PC gamer on NeoGAF is the same.

In fact, it should be called SonyGAF because all I ever see on the front page are news stories related to Sony PlayStation, and the people who are constantly spreading FUD are suspiciously the same gamers who would never want a PlayStation.

A better question would be why some people feel personally attacked when other users talk about or criticize X or Y company.

 

[Topher]

In fact, it should be called SonyGAF because all I ever see on the front page are news stories related to Sony PlayStation

That's a pretty bad case of "only seeing what I want to see" my man. Xbox leadership changes. Xbox Player voice. Forza Horizon 6. Variety of game threads not specific to PlayStation. All that is front and center right now.

But yes, there are a number of PlayStation articles as well. That's pretty typical when PlayStation is in the news as it has been lately.

 

[dgrdsv]

Maybe im missing something there was a rumor about this then there was a rumor about the rumor and now there is a He say she say the rumor is true but there is nothing officail at all... Are did i miss something?

There won't be anything official cause Sony will leave the door open to be able to reverse this once again in the future.