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News Hermen Hulst - "We value PC gamers, and will continue to look at the right times to launch EACH game [on PC]."

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I'll be seeing you eat crow too along with all the others that doubts anything I say.
homer simpson crow GIF
 

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It is because nothing notable happened.
Sony in no way said the PS5 exclusives they make are coming to PC any time soon.

Going by what they actually been doing expect the usual slow(milkage) aka PS4 hand me downs.

Nothing to see here folks.

Now give us Bloodborne!
PS5 games are Playstation Studios games? if so he said that those will release on pc
 

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I love how this idiot thinks gamers are stupid, that putting games on pc is not just about money, like he cares about pc gamers lol, really hope ms get their shit together and really give arrogant sony a run for its money.
 

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As a Sony fan and a fan of competition it's great news that they are smart about making money. Sell to your consoles fanbase and then double dip on PC down the road. If Sony wants to be able to compete with MS and other potential companies that have a lot of money to throw around, they need to keep making bank so that they can also throw billions around buying devs.
 

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they are more profitable than ever by doubling down on single player games like TLOU2, GoT, Spiderman Miles and Demon Souls.

In a year where they launched a console that was sold for a loss. They need to double down on single player, not expand to mobile and GaaS. their model works because they are the only ones making quality single player games besides Rockstar.
wouldn't that be a risky move for them to focus only on single player experience. Single player experience are good. but there are other games now. Sony isn't the only who is doing it now. with Xbox in the picture now, I doubt this strategy will work for Sony favor, considering Xbox is now doing rpgs, which have more player attention. Spiderman is at 34 hour as a completionism, compared to Skyrim like rpg, which have 100s hour worth of play time.

Sony needs to expand their business model to MP games, Rpg games, and other genre. Other devices might be a stretch, but they really need to diversify their offering.
 

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wouldn't that be a risky move for them to focus only on single player experience. Single player experience are good. but there are other games now. Sony isn't the only who is doing it now. with Xbox in the picture now, I doubt this strategy will work for Sony favor, considering Xbox is now doing rpgs, which have more player attention. Spiderman is at 34 hour as a completionism, compared to Skyrim like rpg, which have 100s hour worth of play time.

Sony needs to expand their business model to MP games, Rpg games, and other genre. Other devices might be a stretch, but they really need to diversify their offering.
you think 75% of people buying games selling 20M play them more than 10H ?
i'm curious about data on this but i doubt it's the case.
 
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you think 75% of people buying games selling 20M play them more than 10H ?
i'm curious about data on this but i doubt it's the case.
I just googled it. main story for Spiderman average is 17 hour, main+dlc is 24 hour and 45 min. completionism is 34 hour.
https://howlongtobeat.com/game?id=44852 this is where i got the data.

I doubt alot of people finish the game though. My main issue with the game is the open world, which is lackluster for a Spiderman game. the story mode lets you back on track when you are killed by the goon, compared the open world mission. got killed by a goon, when i tried to stop a heist. lost the location of the heist, and couldn't find the crash sites where I saved a civilian. unless you very careful when fighting the street goons, your experience will be sour, when you lose to them, as that would mean losing the mission. This is just the start game. I don't know how better it gets at later of the game.
 

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How can it be a first reply if I was replying to 2 other posts that quoted me or mentioned me? Available on x AND y for EVERY game is a lot different than available exclusively on z with a port years later on some titles.
I think you didn't understand what i was going for. The way you phrased it remind me of the guys that post on youtube as soon as a video is posted, 1st reply. Kind of "i get to play first, so in your face"
 

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wouldn't that be a risky move for them to focus only on single player experience. Single player experience are good. but there are other games now. Sony isn't the only who is doing it now. with Xbox in the picture now, I doubt this strategy will work for Sony favor, considering Xbox is now doing rpgs, which have more player attention. Spiderman is at 34 hour as a completionism, compared to Skyrim like rpg, which have 100s hour worth of play time.

Sony needs to expand their business model to MP games, Rpg games, and other genre. Other devices might be a stretch, but they really need to diversify their offering.
I have been begging Sony to go back and create shooters and multiplayer games like KZ, MAG, Socom and Warhawk. I am by no means against multiplayer games.

But there is a difference between going after the mobile market, chasing F2P trends and creating innovative and high quality multiplayer experiences on par with their single player output.
 

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i remember Sony fans were laughing at Microsoft for cross gen games and PC relases... it all changes very fast.
Yes. I was one of em. And as I said about XBOX, when every game is released for PC I won't buy the next Playstation Konsole either and happily buy their games for much less on PC....
 
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Meanwhile I just got Shenmue to play it after 20 years, i guess? So thank you. Is good to see that there is no more Playstation exclusives before get a Playstation 5.
 

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I have been begging Sony to go back and create shooters and multiplayer games like KZ, MAG, Socom and Warhawk. I am by no means against multiplayer games.

But there is a difference between going after the mobile market, chasing F2P trends and creating innovative and high quality multiplayer experiences on par with their single player output.
actually, Sony mobile games aren't that bad. I played uncharted mobile and it was fun puzzle. Plus mobile make insane amount of money. That means more studios and single person games. I hope to see games like infamous system. leave the choice to the player. Imagine game like infamous with naughty dog or insomniac graphic.
 
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Yes. I was one of em. And as I said about XBOX, when every game is released for PC I won't buy the next Playstation Konsole either and happily buy their games for much less on PC....
that still money for Sony. their goal is to attract you with their games. Look at sea of thieves, Fh4. It has cult followers on the pc side. Sony case would be to buy the console to play those games early. I am not that much fan of early birds, but my little brother was very excited to get his ps5. People on pc would be like that. All it needs is 1 interesting game to attract them. Mine was infamous. that is how i bought 10 ps4 exclusive games, 1 year worth of psnow and ps+. total money spent, 200$ on a ps4, and that is games and service only. I wouldn't have bothered with them, if it weren't for infamous 1.
 

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Right but the PC will be able to use enhancements that the PS5 hardware can't even run well. Days Gone is a perfect example of this. That game's higher res textures and their GI system (takes 33ms of compute cycles) would force a throttle down on resolution and FPS for the PS5.


Horizon FW has three things going for it over the PC version of HZD. 1) They fixed the poor GI system. 2) The water. 3) Facial animation during cutscenes. Everything else is just a change of scenary with different assets. The cloud system, foliage, enemies, texture sizes, collision detection system for foliage, footprints, etc.. all have the same internal subsystems as HZD. Any other judgements are just purely subjective.


That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. But I question anyone that can't see 2-3X the size of textures (ala UE5's textures seem to pop for everyone) and an accurate GI system (albeit in screenspace) that completely changes the look of how light is bounced around (again, Lumen is wow'ing everyone and it has flaws).
Again Days Gone only got a frame rate boost with PS5.
The game didn't get enhancements for PS5.
PC vs PS4/Pro is what you get and it's not much 🤡
Any of the minimal updates the PC version got over the PS4 could easily be done with a proper PS5 version.

Horizon FW looks almost a generation better than any version of Horizon ZD.
 

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Each-ooo.

This is now the default sneezing sound for every pc gamer without a ps5.
 

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Not for Nintendo.


nintendo has a hit-or-miss generation. They failed with nintendo 64 , then there was gamecube and wii u. You dont know when your console can perform against the xbox and playstation. Xbox can stay longer in the game as they have tons of money. Playstation has always been go-to brand for most hardcore generation. They got lucky with switch this time. But who knows what mistake they will make in future. Xbox learned the lesson hard way in 2013 and now they have been on track to bring their services on multiple platforms to increase their revenue. Sony is also doing the same they even got ps now to compete against xcloud. Nintendo has no good solution except for their first party games. Nintendo needs to change their way of thinking otherwise if they miss on a console cycle that will be really bad for them.
 

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now they told that all games will end up on pc
Nope
the sentence is very clear ...
"I want to emphasize that PlayStation will remain the best place to play our PlayStation Studios titles at launch. But we do value PC gamers, and we’ll continue to look at the right times to launch each game. "

He saying, all games from PlayStation Studios will launch on day One on consoles, then we'll evaluate the best time to release them all, one by one, on PC.

Basically he is talking about timed consoles exclusive

There are no other ways to interpret it
Don't see all nor do I see PS5 games mentioned. I see the potential of some PS4 games releasing this generation.
I'll be seeing you eat crow too along with all the others that doubts anything I say.
You claimed this year and if another PS4 game is announced that isn't surprising since Sony's been releasing some older hand me downs. No Sony made PS5 exclusive is coming any time soon nor did Sony give any indication of this happening.
PS5 games are Playstation Studios games? if so he said that those will release on pc
Yeah the typical last gen games aka hand me downs.
 

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They do actually as the game was terrible optimized when it released on PC later patches fixed this. also 970 is probably what replaced most PC gamers PS3 area gpu's, and that card got sold for 250 bucks mostly and is still valid to this day.

So honestly not sure what u are getting towards.
970 at release was ~329 MSRP (US) just for the card. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here? And you're comparing hardware that was released ~1 year after the PS4 was released.

I'm all for PC gaming. But don't be ignorant of the price difference.
 
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Nope

Don't see all nor do I see PS5 games mentioned. I see the potential of some PS4 games releasing this generation.

You claimed this year and if another PS4 game is announced that isn't surprising since Sony's been releasing some older hand me downs. No Sony made PS5 exclusive is coming any time soon nor did Sony give any indication of this happening.

Yeah the typical last gen games aka hand me downs.
Where and why do you feel it's only ps4 games? That was never ever stated by anyone. Instead of going by your interpretation, let's go with what was said. The word, Each, comes to mind. I can't wait for each of these games to come to PC.
 
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Where and why do you feel it's only ps4 games? That was never ever stated by anyone. Instead of going by your interpretation, let's go with what was said. The word, Each, comes to mind. I can't wait for each of these games to come to PC.
Why it's only PS4 games?
How about reading.
 

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Nope

Don't see all nor do I see PS5 games mentioned. I see the potential of some PS4 games releasing this generation.

You claimed this year and if another PS4 game is announced that isn't surprising since Sony's been releasing some older hand me downs. No Sony made PS5 exclusive is coming any time soon nor did Sony give any indication of this happening.

Yeah the typical last gen games aka hand me downs.
he is not saying what you implying but if thinking this make you live better go ahead
 
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Why it's only PS4 games?
How about reading.
How about using basic common sense and logic? It would make sense to release ps4 titles before ps5 titles. Why would you play a game with better graphics, only to release the ps4 prequel AFTERWARDS? Sometimes I wonder about you bro, as you can't be this obtuse, at least if it's not intentional. Ps5 games are coming to PC, otherwise they would have specifically stated ps4 ONLY. They don't want to hurt any more people with fragile ego's or mindsets. But they will ease the pain with each release being closer and closer to release date. Day and date baby!
 
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How about using basic common sense and logic? It would make sense to release ps4 titles before ps5 titles. Why would you play a game with better graphics, only to release the ps4 prequel AFTERWARDS? Sometimes I wonder about you bro, as you can't be this obtuse, at least if it's not intentional. Ps5 games are coming to PC, otherwise they would have specifically stated ps4 ONLY. They don't want to hurt any more people with fragile ego's or mindsets. But they will ease the pain with each release being closer and closer to release date. Day and date baby!

It makes sense to do what they are doing now.
Release the hand me downs to the PC for that added milkage and this is exactly what they are doing.
Zero proof or indication that Sony made PS5 games are going PC this generation.
he is not saying what you implying but if thinking this make you live better go ahead
Who isn't?
probably was thinking at timed...exclusives
Timed like as in this whole generation.
When PS6 launches I am sure some PS5 games will release.
This is the way Sony's been doing things.
PS5 releases and "some" PS4 games release.
 

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It makes sense to do what they are doing now.
Release the hand me downs to the PC for that added milkage and this is exactly what they are doing.
Zero proof or indication that Sony made PS5 games are going PC this generation.

Who isn't?

Timed like as in this whole generation.
When PS6 launches I am sure some PS5 games will release.
This is the way Sony's been doing things.
PS5 releases and "some" PS4 games release.
Any proof otherwise? You keep trying to nail a point, with zero concrete evidence. Not even a hammer in sight. Any links to say otherwise? They never said ps4 only. I get that you are mad ps5 doesn't have ex-clusives now. But let's not twist things around.
 
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Any proof otherwise? You keep trying to nail a point, with zero concrete evidence. Not even a hammer in sight. Any links to say otherwise? They never said ps4 only. I get that you are mad ps5 doesn't have ex-clusives now. But let's not twist things around.
I posted what Sony actually said.
You are the one who has zero proof of Sony bringing it's exclusives(made by them) to PS5 this generation.
Proof is also in the pudding... "SOME" last gen PS4 games have released and Uncharted 4 PC leaked.

Hand me downs nothing more.
 

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I posted what Sony actually said.
You are the one who has zero proof of Sony bringing it's exclusives(made by them) to PS5 this generation.
Proof is also in the pudding... "SOME" last gen PS4 games have released and Uncharted 4 PC leaked.

Hand me downs nothing more.
People said Sony would never bring their games to PC. Then HZD, Death Stranding, and now Days Gone happened. Even before then were titles like Heavy Rain. You and your tribal warriors were completely wrong about it ever happening. Now they said each of their games are coming, only a matter of time. How on earth did you somehow get "ps5 games won't release on pc", from their statement?!

Why are you calling these games hand me downs NOW? You personally told me there would be nothing better looking than TLOU2 on PC. TLOU2 will be on PC, and now you are calling it a hand me down. Will GT7 and HFW be hand me downs as well? Or only when it comes to PC? What about R&C? It's amazing how you guys can glorify something to the highest of all highs, then consider it complete shit as soon as PC gets the definitive version that they're developers were aiming for.
 

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People said Sony would never bring their games to PC. Then HZD, Death Stranding, and now Days Gone happened. Even before then were titles like Heavy Rain. You and your tribal warriors were completely wrong about it ever happening. Now they said each of their games are coming, only a matter of time. How on earth did you somehow get "ps5 games won't release on pc", from their statement?!

Why are you calling these games hand me downs NOW? You personally told me there would be nothing better looking than TLOU2 on PC. TLOU2 will be on PC, and now you are calling it a hand me down. Will GT7 and HFW be hand me downs as well? Or only when it comes to PC? What about R&C? It's amazing how you guys can glorify something to the highest of all highs, then consider it complete shit as soon as PC gets the definitive version that they're developers were aiming for.
So you have no proof? gotcha!
I don't care what people say I care what Sony actually says.
Yes "SOME" last gen games happened lol
I am not apart of those tribal warriors cause I enjoy gaming on more than one device 🤷‍♂️

That's exactly what they are hand me downs.
These games are older,aren't selling anymore and have been free to PlayStation gamers :)
I would never tell you that a game will beat everything in the future lol.
Of course PC will eventually catch up.


If PC got GT7 and HFW... they would be hand me downs cause it aint happening anytime soon :pie_roffles:

Which R & C? You aint getting the new one anytime soon.
Maybe Sony will release the old PS4 one (that's been free for years) on PC.
 
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So you have no proof? gotcha!
I don't care what people say I care what Sony actually says.
Yes "SOME" last gen games happened lol
I am not apart of those tribal warriors cause I enjoy gaming on more than one device 🤷‍♂️

That's exactly what they are hand me downs.
These games are older,aren't selling anymore and have been free to PlayStation gamers :)
I would never tell you that a game will beat everything in the future lol.
Of course PC will eventually catch up.


If PC got GT7 and HFW... they would be hand me downs cause it aint happening anytime soon :pie_roffles:

Which R & C? You aint getting the new one anytime soon.
Maybe Sony will release the old PS4 one (that's been free for years) on PC.
Some? They said EACH. Stop conflating things. Might as well accept it now so you don't have another meltdown EACH time, EACH game, from Sony releases on EACH one, of our PC's.
 
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970 at release was ~329 MSRP (US) just for the card. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here? And you're comparing hardware that was released ~1 year after the PS4 was released.

I'm all for PC gaming. But don't be ignorant of the price difference.

k i will bite.

PC gamers moved throught the PS4 gen this way.

560 before ps4, 250 bucks
660 release ps4, 229 bucks
760 year after PS4, 250 bycjs
970 after that, 320 buciks
1060 after that, 250 bucks

Your whole 780ti has no relevance towards anything with a price tag of 700 bucks.

This is also MSRP, cards are mostly never sold at MSRP that are in the populaire brance over here, they always lower pretty soon if not directly out of the gate. This whole GPU market where 3070's and 3080's are sold for double the price should tell you that MSRP isn't much interesting.

Then u can also add in second handed solution where people sell of gpu's they no longer need for far less that are perfectly capable to run next gen games for example.

So your whole 400 bucks for a PS4 vs 700 vs a gpu is simple a useless comparison.

most people only upgraded there GPU's as cpu's where already so powerful they would stay relevant for the entire generation ( had a i7 870 bought in 2010 or something, stayed perfectly valid until 2 years ago for example.

That means upgrade cost on PC is significant lower then what u try to project. as PC gamers do not upgrade the moment consoles come out to the highest tier GPU for absolute no reason.

The same u can see right now, buttload of people sit on a 1000 series cards that where released in what? 2017? they are not upgrading to the 3000 series ( also corona ) they will probably move to 4000 series and buy a budget card if they need more performance to play stuff or wait even longer if they are happy with what they got.

U also are not factoring in with consoles that u gotta rebuy a lot and spend a lot of money to get things going. for example u gotta pay full price for there games, u gotta pay online, u gotta buy a second controller as old controllers don't work with new games anymore. It's all non existent on PC. That guy with a PC in the PS3 area bought will happely play through that generation. The same as somebody that bought a 3700 cpu or 3600 will most likely play until the next gen comes out, so the only costs he has right now = a gpu.
 
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Some? They said EACH. Stop conflating things. Might as well accept it now so you don't have another meltdown EACH time, EACH game from Sony releases on EACH one of our PC's.
You gotta be joking or trolling.
Each as in each one they choose and when they choose to release them.

Waiting for proof that it's anymore than last gen PS4 hand me downs?
Uncharted 4 is the next announcement. That's a PS5 game? That's not a hand me down? lol
 

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k i will bite.

PC gamers moved throught the PS4 gen this way.

560 before ps4, 250 bucks
660 release ps4, 229 bucks
760 year after PS4, 250 bycjs
970 after that, 320 buciks
1060 after that, 250 bucks

Your whole 780ti has no relevance towards anything with a price tag of 700 bucks.

This is also MSRP, cards are mostly never sold at MSRP that are in the populaire brance over here, they always lower pretty soon if not directly out of the gate. This whole GPU market where 3070's and 3080's are sold for double the price should tell you that MSRP isn't much interesting.

Then u can also add in second handed solution where people sell of gpu's they no longer need for far less that are perfectly capable to run next gen games for example.

So your whole 400 bucks for a PS4 vs 700 vs a gpu is simple a useless comparison.

most people only upgraded there GPU's as cpu's where already so powerful they would stay relevant for the entire generation ( had a i7 870 bought in 2010 or something, stayed perfectly valid until 2 years ago for example.

That means upgrade cost on PC is significant lower then what u try to project. as PC gamers do not upgrade the moment consoles come out to the highest tier GPU for absolute no reason.

The same u can see right now, buttload of people sit on a 1000 series cards that where released in what? 2017? they are not upgrading to the 3000 series ( also corona ) they will probably move to 4000 series and buy a budget card if they need more performance to play stuff or wait even longer if they are happy with what they got.

U also are not factoring in with consoles that u gotta rebuy a lot and spend a lot of money to get things going. for example u gotta pay full price for there games, u gotta pay online, u gotta buy a second controller as old controllers don't work with new games anymore. It's all non existent on PC. That guy with a PC in the PS3 area bought will happely play through that generation. The same as somebody that bought a 3700 cpu or 3600 will most likely play until the next gen comes out, so the only costs he has right now = a gpu.
You sir know what you're talking about! I was gonna respond, but wasn't worth my time.
 
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Talk about being oblivious. :messenger_loudly_crying:

To be a bit more specific. You're making a lot of assumptions based on "I think/I believe" without having any hard data to back up your claims. We do have hard data. MSRP is factual data. MSRP on cost of games/hardware is factual Data. You're presenting straw-man arguments from your point of view.
 
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You gotta be joking or trolling.
Each as in each one they choose and when they choose to release them.

Waiting for proof that it's anymore than last gen PS4 hand me downs?
Uncharted 4 is the next announcement. That's a PS5 game? That's not a hand me down? lol
Where did they specify on ONLY releasing certain games, or like you said, specifically ps4 games? I'm thinking you are trolling or being obtuse by not understanding the context and what Herman said. Maybe English isn't your first language, so I've been nice and accommodating all along just in case.

Why is TLOU2 now considered a hand me down? Why would ps5 games be hand me downs? Herman said each game. Not "specifically only ps4 games". I'm not sure why you are getting upset about this. Once you accept this, the pain won't be so much.


Let it go




 

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Where did they specify on ONLY releasing certain games, or like you said, specifically ps4 games? I'm thinking you are trolling or being obtuse by not understanding the context and what Herman said. Maybe English isn't your first language, so I've been nice and accommodating all along just in case.

Why is TLOU2 now considered a hand me down? Why would ps5 games be hand me downs? Herman said each game. Not "specifically only ps4 games". I'm not sure why you are getting upset about this. Once you accept this, the pain won't be so much.


Let it go




Where have they shown anymore than "SOME" last gen PS4 games coming?(Hand me downs)
Jim Ryan said PS5 will have more exclusives than PS4.
TLOU 2 isn't announced(not saying it can't be as it's last gen) and is a PS4 game.
Sony made PS5 games haven't be announced so why mention what isn't there for a argument? Use what's on the table.
Another last gen,non PS5 Uncharted 4 is coming.

You have nothing so carry on
 

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Where have they shown anymore than "SOME" last gen PS4 games coming?(Hand me downs)
Jim Ryan said PS5 will have more exclusives than PS4.
TLOU 2 isn't announced(not saying it can't be as it's last gen) and is a PS4 game.
Sony made PS5 games haven't be announced so why mention what isn't there for a argument? Use what's on the table.
Another last gen,non PS5 Uncharted 4 is coming.

You have nothing so carry on
So you are stuck on past tense. Guess what? Past tense, Sony wasn't releasing their current lineup on PC. Guess what, they are now! Exclusive to ps5 and PC. Ex-clusive if you wanna call it that. Which is good for the industry. I don't get why you get so triggered that these games will be on PC. Get mad at Herman and Jim, not the gamers. That's what's wrong with the gaming industry. We have warriors like you that get upset that other gamers get to enjoy unrestricted games. Pity on you. You can't be a true gamer, being selfish and salty like that. Learn to share, like Herman and Jim are doing.




We believe in generations, and rightfully so




 
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No, when you put money above all you are one.
For the pleasure of many here, PlayStation users are being treated like peasants at the moment. All money and time that goes into PC ports could have been spent on upgrading titles for their own system or new titles altogether. PS5 exclusives could have been made from the ground up only and specifically to run on PS5 architecture alone, and even if PS5 is not a PS3 it's still a custom, closed system and that's enough to translate into something you would be able to see, for the ultimate benefit of the game.
PS Studio games will be better always and anyway on PC, it will undoubtedly be the best place to play them so where are my incentives to buy a console? Why would i ever subscribe to PS+?

I can only be happy about having the chance to download mods for say Uncharted or God of War, to fix bugs or little issues, run everything at high framerates without having to beg the software house.. the potential is infinite on PC.
Not to mention finally be able to discuss games without the constant downplaying from people who didn't get the chance to play them. By the time i can finally upgrade my PC i will literally be over the moon about this.

But i totally understand people feeling let down now.
People always said corporations only care about money and don't give a shit about you but, honestly, that statement always felt off in regards to PlayStation because it was not what Hirai or Yoshida made their customers feel in the slightest.
This new Ryan/Hulst PlayStation really is a corporation to the core, and totally fits this description.
I’m sorry but I find that a blinkered statement. The same Sony that told everyone to get a second job to afford a PS3? Or who turned PS Plus from an optional game rental service, to mandatory for online play?

They’ve always been just like Xbox and Nintendo.

I subbed to PS Plus from the beginning, and once the PS4 launched the ‘free’ games drastically dropped in quality for 5 or 6 years, with Rocket League and Resogun being the only great ‘gifts’. It’s only over the past 12 months that they’ve started improving Plus again and the cynic in me says that’s to build good will at the start of the gen before dropping the quality again for another 5 or 6 years.
 

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So you are such on past tense. Guess what? Past tense, Sony want releasing their current lineup on PC. Guess what, they are now! Exclusive to ps5 and PC. Ex-clusive if you wanna call it that. Which is good for the industry. I doubt get why you get so triggered that these games will be on PC. Get mad at Herman and Jim, not the gamers. That's what's wrong with the gaming industry. We have warriors like you that get upset that other gamers get to enjoy unrestricted games. Pity on you. You can't be a true gamer, being selfish and salty like that. Learn to share, like Herman and Jim are doing.




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I’m sorry but I find that a blinkered statement. The same Sony that told everyone to get a second job to afford a PS3?
They never told people to get a second job, they said due to the price increase (perfectly justified considering what first party teams achieved on that platform) people who couldn't afford it may have wanted to get a second job to buy it. It was a joke, but yeah, marketing during PS3 pre-launch was a mess.
I'm referring to PlayStation since the first Uncharted released.

Or who turned PS Plus from an optional game rental service, to mandatory for online play?
Well, we all know who to thank for that..

I subbed to PS Plus from the beginning, and once the PS4 launched the ‘free’ games drastically dropped in quality for 5 or 6 years, with Rocket League and Resogun being the only great ‘gifts’.
Oh, come on now.. I got the Tomb Raider games, the Just Cause games, Metal Gear Solid 5, InFamous games, Bloodborne, Ratchet & Clank, Mad Max, Driveclub, Beyond: Two Souls, Heavy Rain, Until Dawn, Moder Warfare Remastered, God of War III, Amnesia collection, the Metro games, Detroit, Arkham Knight, Mafia III, The Last of Us, Nioh.. and many others i'm forgetting.

The Uncharted Collection was literally given as gift to everyone. On PS5 basically every big hit of the past Gen is free.

It's great Sony supporting PC with their internal studios and not simply just outsourcing. It's great that Guerilla Games took effort to make a PC version of the original
I totally agree with the rest of your post, but i think Zero Dawn port was outsourced.
 
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It's great Sony supporting PC with their internal studios and not simply just outsourcing. It's great that Guerilla Games took effort to make a PC version of the original and even went back and fixed alot of issues with patches. The fact they did this and not put more resources onto the sequel on PS5 is great as they know console owners don't mind waiting and getting their games delayed so PC players can get their ports. After all PS5 oweners benefit alot from PC gamers getting ports, they benefit by having happy PC gamer friends they can talk about their favourite franchises.
 
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They never told people to get a second job, they said due to the price increase (perfectly justified considering what first party teams achieved on that platform) people who couldn't affort it may have wanted to get a second job to buy it. It was a joke, but yeah, marketing during PS3 pre-launch was a mess.
I'm referring to PlayStation since the first Uncharted released.
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Well, we all know who to thank for that..

Yeah... Sony.


I got the Tomb Raider games, the Just Cause games, Metal Gear Solid 5, InFamous games, Bloodborne, Ratchet & Clank, Mad Max, Driveclub, Beyond: Two Souls, Heavy Rain, Until Dawn, Moder Warfare Remastered, God of War III, Amnesia collection, the Metro games, Detroit, Arkham Knight, Mafia III, The Last of Us, Nioh.. and many others i'm forgetting.

once the PS4 launched (2013) the ‘free’ games drastically dropped in quality for 5 or 6 years

Tomb Raider (Rise?) JULY 2020
Just Cause (4?) DECEMBER 2020
Metal Gear Solid 5 OCTOBER 2017
InFamous Second Son SEPTEMBER 2017
Bloodborne MARCH 2018
Ratchet & Clank MARCH 2018
Mad Max APRIL 2018
Driveclub
Beyond: Two Souls MAY 2018
Heavy Rain JULY 2018
Until Dawn JULY 2017
Modern Warfare Remastered MARCH 2019
God of War III SEPTEMBER 2018
Amnesia collection OCTOBER 2017
Metro
Detroit JULY 2019
Arkham Knight SEPTEMBER 2019
Mafia III AUGUST 2018
The Last of Us OCTOBER 2019
Nioh NOVEMBER 2019

Can’t find which Metro was free, nor DriveClub (the original PS Plus ‘free’ version doesn’t count). You’re sort of proving my point here that the console launched in 2013 and there’s not a single game you’ve mentioned that hit Plus before 2017, with the vast majority being 2018 and later.
 
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The sooner people come the same realization that MS and now Sony have made, the sooner we can stop worrying about this. That realization is that they can sell software without the burden of making consoles, or at least making as many.