I will reserve my because I haven't play M#9 yet, however Bayonneta and DMC felt different in terms of gameplay mechanics
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Hideki Kamiya annoyed on twitter, tells fanboy to use his own brain
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I will reserve my because I haven't play M#9 yet, however Bayonneta and DMC felt different in terms of gameplay mechanics
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well...
Benzychenz
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Kamiya telling it like it is.
Wasn't Inafune the one responsible for disbanding Clover, too?
hydrophilic attack
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wow
Disrespectful.
gigantor21
Member
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Well he's not wrong. In fact, that's the only reason people were interested in it in the first place--Capcom has done nothing with the IP, so MN9 gives them that old game play AND lets fans say "fuck you" to Capcom at the same time.
FlashbladeGAF
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Bayonetta compared to DMC1 is a major improvement.
Does comparing Bayo to DMC3 or the entire franchise count, if he only made the 1st one?
Akhe
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wow
Oh my...
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Nailed it, exactly what I think
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That's pretty unprofessional/dumb.
Theonik
Member
It's not so much about the quality. But he's complaining about making spiritual successors to previous works post-capcom when he did something similar himself.
But he doesn't hold Inafune in very high regard, for well various reasons. He's kinda right, Inafune is just a shitty businessman.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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Bayonetta is nowhere near as aesthetically similar to DMC as Mighty No. 9 is to Mega Man.
Glitchesarecool
Member
He's not wrong though.
Well Inafune isnt shy either to say that Japan game scene is shitty.
Also he isnt telling any lies.
shadow2810
Member
MN9 looks similar to MM is like how PS All-Stars looks similar to Smash.
One's aimed at a market, the other is aimed at an individual/product. There's a difference and, even if one's not wrong, there's such a thing as decency. Going on Twitter and ranting about another person or game like that, as a developer himself, shows a lack of that.
Mufti Nabiyu Erin
Member
Keep in mind that you're currently discussing a man who regularly insults his fans on Twitter -- look at the title of the thread you're posting in for reference.
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damnnnnnn, them truth bombs
I'm am excited for Might Number 9 though but let's be honest here. no lies were told in those tweets.
I'm aware of that. There's also a difference between insulting badgering fans and insulting a professional in the same industry as you are.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Basically. Some insults are deserved. No reason to keep respecting their "old home" if it serves no purpose for them anymore.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
It's not an insult... it's the truth
And It's exactly what Mega Man fans want.
Don't let the character limit of twitter make you read into things that aren't there.
We were calling Beck , Not-Mega Man
Even Roll is there and they steal bosses powers and make them their own.
But its true....
While it is a little more fast paced and has a few differnces mechanically, if you changed the title to Megaman no one would bat an eyelid. The backers even chose the closest copy of Roll for crying out loud.
That said its actually shaping up to be a good game, being a copy or heavily inspired by something (especially your own work) is not inherently bad.
There are enough devs who talk PR and bullshit, let Kamiya speak his mind to keep the balance.
It's the "It's like insult to their old home," part that I take issue with. Is that really a truth? Spiritual sequels have been done all the time. Would someone also agree that Bloodstained is an insult to 2D Castlevania games? That Yooka-Laylee is insulting to Banjo-Kazooie?
Yes.
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I have to agree with him, Inafune is unable to come up with something original and instead copying work that other people made.
Shovel Knight is more original than Mighty No 9 and that game was inspired by Mega Man.
Bayonetta and Devil May Cry are completely different in gameplay and style.
I think that Kamiya is annoyed that Inafune taking credit for the Mega Man series when he didn't really create Mega Man nor have any real involvement in the series as whole.
Yooka-Laylee however is different as that is being developed by key members that worked on Banjo-Kazooie and they are all sharing the credit.
So Mighty No. 9 is an insult to the series it was directly inspired by, even though we don't know how good the game is yet, and it's bad because it looks too much like Mega Man?
I can't see it.
I guess I can see it from this standpoint, but if the game actually turns out to be good and inspired in its own ways? I dunno.
Either way, my point was that "being right" doesn't validate what someone says all the time.
You really should know by now how Kamiya rolls. He's not like those developers that never stay away from PR speak. Dude speaks his mind. He openly called out Nintendo on the VC's crappy filter while simultaneously working on two games for them. I find the frankness refreshing.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Well, he said an insult to their old home. I don't think he meant insult to the series. And I don't think he said it was bad. But that is going by the photos. I don't look at his actual twitter.
For the record, I don't think their is anything wrong with the guy insulting his old home when they were/are doing nothing with the IP
Riposte
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Kamiya is a bit of a hard ass when it comes to "copying". I don't agree with that way of thinking, but he's fairly consistent I guess. MN9 is at least more of a "copy" than Playstation All-Stars was, due to it being a purposeful successor. If there were more "Smash clones", in the way there are/were dozens of "Street Fighter clones", paradoxically, it would be considered less of a copy (and just another sub-genre).
Chaos2Frozen
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Recently Mikami also said he's interested in Dino Crisis and God Hand. Would be interesting to see both him and Kamiya working on Capcom projects again.
The ball is in Capcom's court, but I doubt they would step up.
He didn't say it looks bad, just that it isn't similar, it's a copy
That's true.
Insult to the company not necessarily the game.
rockman zx
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I'm not sure if he hates him but at least is a profound dislike, and not only him inside Platinum.
I hope you don't also complain about PR-speak.
I do not, unless it's obviously misleading or a lie. "PR-speak" is designed to be the opposite of what you quoted.
神谷英樹 Hideki Kamiya ‏@PG_kamiya
We designed a lot in Bayo. Witch time, Equipment system, controls. What about No.9? RT @LurkingHaro I really liked Bayo. It feels like DMC.
Holy Order Sol
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He means the company. He calls Capcom "his old home" too, and doesn't like people badmouthing them.
Chaos2Frozen
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No seriously, which part of bayo is like DMC? I assume they mean DMC1 because that's the only one he did.
Sure, I understand that now, but it's this combined with the previous shade he's thrown at Inafune (combined with his whole Twitter persona) that makes it seem unnecessarily belligerent.
Theonik
Member
I'm just remember people gave him shit for it as well.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
As an MN9 backer I don't disagree with Kamiya to be honest.
It's a copy - that's what I wanted and am totally okay with that.
It's an insult to old home (Capcom) - good. It should be.
Still respect the fuck out of Kamiya. Tells the truth. Whether the truth is good or bad is up to the viewer. XD
It's a copy - that's what I wanted and am totally okay with that.
It's an insult to old home (Capcom) - good. It should be.
Still respect the fuck out of Kamiya. Tells the truth. Whether the truth is good or bad is up to the viewer. XD
Mr. Smiley
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The "Bayo=DMC" arguments somehow reminded me of that time where Kamiya said he hated Wind Waker. A bunch of people immediately responded with "Yeah well Okami was terrible too! See? Doesn't feel good, does it? "
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