...is Hillary a senator right now?
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Hillary's interview w/ A. Cooper: Sander's supporters are still incredibly divisive
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...is Hillary a senator right now?
It's a purity test, not a real bill. Hillary got slagged in 94 for talking about healthcare, but Bernie doing political grandstanding is real work right?
Gentleman Jack
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RustyNails
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They voted for her though. Overwhelmingly.
Polls from before election day are worthless now. All that matters is what Bernie supporters ended up doing and as far as I've seen from the data, they voted for Hillary about as well as could be expected.
Expecting 99-100% of Bernie supporters to vote for Hillary was just foolish. Everything points to Bernie supporters falling in line more than Hillary supporters in 08, which basically destroys the entire narrative.
Nah that's apparently a trigger word for some.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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The vitriol of the primaries went both ways and the fact of the matter is that Clinton supporters have continued to make negative offhand references to Sanders supporters as if the vast majority didn't ultimately end up voting for her anyway. Sanders supporters didn't say or do anything that wasn't matched in kind by Clinton supporters and Bernie himself didn't say or do anything more aggressive than what Hillary herself said and did in 2008.
Moreover, unlike the supposedly significant portion of BoBs that are referenced by Clinton supporters to this day, Sanders supporters have a legitimate axe to grind: they said Clinton had too much baggage to win and they were proven right.
Beyond that, there's also the fact that Sanders is out there fighting to advance progressive causes while Clinton rips open old wounds to drum up publicity for her fucking book. As the country suffers under a budding tyrant, her main priority is making a few more million to pile atop her vast fortune.
Fuck Hillary Clinton.
TheOfficeMut
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She. Is. Simply. Speaking. Her. Mind.
God damn stop being robotic, people. We have moved on. We have accepted our terrible reality and are looking toward the future of the DNC and the 2018 and 2020 elections, but just because Hillary wants to share her god damn thoughts doesn't mean we are living in La La Land.
djplaeskool
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We're now entering Month 19 of the 2016 Democratic Presidential Primaries.
Also, No Lies Detected
Doc Holliday
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Hey Hillary
Roughly 90% of Bernie's supporters ended up voting for you. I don't think your supporters did this for Obama when you took your first L. You're helping nobody right now by doing this.
What did you say when the Democrats were telling Bernie to "Shut the fuck up and take the L?"
TheLostBigBoss
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Obama
1) Was running after two rather disastrous terms of a republican in office.
2) Was running during a massive economic crisis with a republican in office
The environments of the two elections are completely different so I don't know why you would compare them. I would argue that there were far more unified issues for people to vote a democrat in considering the circumstances and that the polarization wasn't in the same way it was in 2016 in terms of having "unacceptable" candidates.
You know why.
unpopularblargh
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She's not running, so clearly she doesn't need your support.
Wasn't the statistic Sanders supporters who voted Trump? I mean how many of them voted green or libertarian?
How About No
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centrist and neoliberal are perfectly cromulent words to describes somebody's politics. They existed before Hillary.
you're just going to have to live with the fact those have become shorthands for a brand of politics some people don't like any more.
jack_package_200
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Because its a common slur against anyone that voted and supported Hillary and the only true left leaning people voted for Bernie.
Because they are used as a pejorative slurs.
legacyzero
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Oh I imagine. I didn't mean that to be insensitive to that. But-
I don't think she has said anything meaningful at this point. I mean that seriously. She's doing nothing to unite the party, and fix her mistakes. It's all finger pointing. And none of it is helping our chances.
Is it a "slur" when even she's said she's a Centrist? It was literally in the previous thread.
I think her substantive point is pretty clear -- Hillary worked harder to unify her supporters in 2008 than Bernie did in 2016.
This seems...pretty uncontroversial, so far as it goes? Bernie did try to unify his supporters at the convention, but Hillary tried harder.
Any wider expansion of this concern is offbase, since Bernie has been working hard for the Democrats since then.
This seems...pretty uncontroversial, so far as it goes? Bernie did try to unify his supporters at the convention, but Hillary tried harder.
Any wider expansion of this concern is offbase, since Bernie has been working hard for the Democrats since then.
It took Sanders 8 weeks and 3 days to endorse Hillary Clinton for the Presidency.
If you don't consider that absurd then I simply don't know what to say to you.
She took 4 days to endorse Obama in 2008 and even then that was considered "taking too long."
Sanders showed up to one joint event with Clinton during her entire campaign.
Clinton showed up to dozens of joint events with Obama during his campaign.
If you don't consider that absurd then I simply don't know what to say to you.
She took 4 days to endorse Obama in 2008 and even then that was considered "taking too long."
Sanders showed up to one joint event with Clinton during her entire campaign.
Clinton showed up to dozens of joint events with Obama during his campaign.
Poor GRIMES
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mmmmmm and I was being disingenuous. Yeah okay.
Whatever you wanna believe sis. I'm waiting for the door now. Boy bye
This wouldn't be a problem 19 months later if Hillary didn't panic when she realized early on she wasn't cleaning the floor with Bernie and ran straight to her old playbook of dirty tactics
people still bring her up, so, no.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Bernie is in Congress still attempting to do good work.. What is Hillary doing?
Shake Appeal
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Hillary's insistence that some sort of centrist direction negotiated by two craven centrist parties will deliver broad-based social equity and economic prosperity is ... amazingly blind to every stark fact of America's past and present.
Like, it's still some insanely blinkered vision of "let's just keep writing some watered-down bills, everything's cool" when American life is a dangerous, precarious hellscape for tens of millions, and climate change is about to upend life as we know it.
Still doesn't get it.
He should have did the same thing as well then. It's possible for both of them to make mistakes, but lately it seems like Hillary is trying to place a lot of excessive blame on Bernie
I'm curious why you think this is the case - what was the substantive difference?
Looking at the results it was apparently more than good enough
See Joshcryer's post above.
I was on the Obama side in '08 annoyed at how Clinton handled it. This was worse.
Yeah. These arguments are a big part of why what passes for the left looses. Same thing here in the UK.
Well, yeah. She's on a book tour about her presidential campaign.
But if you want to hear her discuss policy and the future of American politics, the Vox interview that came out earlier this week is a great start.
entremet
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Well, she wrote a book lol. She keeps bringing herself up as well. Then the book tour interviews that come from it like this one.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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There is no indication whatsoever that she isn't 'well'.
And his book is mostly about his thoughts on moving forward -- the primary was mentioned, but not a focus. Which is basically the opposite of clintons book, which is my point.
I'm seriously wondering if you're trolling me or you really are that dense.
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We've talked about this ad nauseam, and it's clear one more round isn't going to do any good. It's time to stop with the whining about other posters who supported the candidate you didn't support. These threads get heated enough when people are just discussing the actual topic, we don't need the metacommentary.
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