Kerotan
Member
Burning shores if you remove the lesbo scene was an amazing dlc. Technical showcase for the ps5.
Maybe in the 3rd game she'll be non binary and get boned by a big metal dildosaur machine.
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Maybe in the 3rd game she'll be non binary and get boned by a big metal dildosaur machine.
kiphalfton
Member
First game was hyped to hell.
Played maybe 10 hours, and quit.
I really don't know what differentiates this game from the other 50k open world games that have been released to date.
Lokaum D+
Gold Member
imo one of the worst franchise ( if not THE worse ) Sony has put off in the last 2 gen, i just cant stand this game, fucking Killzone died for this.
it took me one year to beat the first game ( bought on launch day ), played the second one for 2 hours and droped out, game is pretty but soulless
it took me one year to beat the first game ( bought on launch day ), played the second one for 2 hours and droped out, game is pretty but soulless
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JackHanma
Member
I am sure that had nothing to do with it being bundled with a Playstation console... Series sucks.
Dr Bass
Gold Member
For sure. And typically I don't like referencing reviews, because I think game reviewers tend to be not so great at their jobs. But these games did review in the 80s even with the usual bump that I think exclusives tend to get.
There just isn't a lot to the series. Everything is spelled out for you. There isn't much room for creativity or discovery because the gameplay is kind of limited, and points of interest are revealed before you're anywhere near them. I forced myself to finish the first two but I'm not gonna touch the third. Time is definitely better spent elsewhere imo. Like at NeoGAF!
The big draw was how impressive the robot dinosaurs looked when the game was first revealed. They looked incredible. But just like robots, there simply wasn't a lot of meat on those gameplay bones. If some think it's great, then awesome. No problem here, that's simply my take.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I would probably pick Spider-Man 1 as traversal, combat and vibes were excellent. Then yeah, GoW and TLOU and only then Horizon 1 would follow. I haven't played Stellar Blade yet, to be fair.Nah, I am good with sales, but your comment that many were thinking Horizon is best Sony game on Steam.
GoW 2018, TLOU 1 and Stellar Blade be like:
Edit: Forgot about Ghost 1 and I liked it more than Horizon as well.
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CJ_75
Member
Oh, come on, don't be so insecure, man. A game developer made their character a lesbian, big deal. It doesn't threaten your masculinity, your relationship status, or your precious gaming experience. It's just a fictional person in a story. Take a deep breath, touch some grass, and maybe realize the world doesn't revolve around your discomfort.
Ofcourse you'll play it. FOMO is real among gamers. Especially when it's got those jaw-dropping graphics Guerrilla is famous for and great reviews drop. Same thing happened with Ghost of Yotei.
Matsuchezz
Member
after playing breath of the wild and the next game. i got into zero down and I am currently playing forbidden west. i have been enjoying them a lot. i am close to finish the latter. it's fucking g great and a technical master piece. i will try burning shores. It's been a great ride. i understand those 40 million
Cakeboxer
Member
You're right that most PS5s in 2022 were forced-bundled with the game, but 40 million is still a lot, and some bundle buyers would surely have bought the game anyway.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Did you miss the part about the insufferable main character? That wasn't due to the forced lesbian storyline. That's the primary issue I have with the game.
As far as the world not revolving around me, I didn't say anything about how other people should feel about this series. If you love it, good for you. I stated my opinion, nothing more. I also elected to pass on Ghosts of Yotai.
Your condescension isn't going to impact how I feel about a game or series. I don't care to try to convince others that they should or should not like something, and I don't change my opinion when others try to convince me that I should or should not like something. Don't get so butthurt that someone didn't like something that you liked.
calico
Member
The gameplay was refreshing to me, and placed a little more emphasis on how you approach the fight tactically rather than just relying on reflexes. Oddly for a console franchise, the gameplay feels like it was designed with a mouse in mind, with how you can precisely dissect the machines. That's how I played them (mouse and keyboard), which I rarely do for console games.
For the next game I'd like the world to be less static with regards the machines standing in their assigned location forever, but it would be difficult to do with how some of them work.
For the next game I'd like the world to be less static with regards the machines standing in their assigned location forever, but it would be difficult to do with how some of them work.
genesisblock
Member
Horizon really needed that deep RPG design for that world. It would've gone toe-to-toe with the elder scrolls series on top of having an incredible combat loop.
Durin
Member
I like the Horizon games enough, but it's weird seeing anyone defend Aloy as a good protag.
She's a boring void of personality, where the only thing interesting about her for 2 games is uncovering the past around her creation, and it's usually answered by finding some macguffins.
The world/setup of Horizon is neat, the games are lush graphics showpieces, the gameplay is fun enough when you're fighting robo-dinos with traps...but the characters are not even in the same stratosphere of execution.
She's a boring void of personality, where the only thing interesting about her for 2 games is uncovering the past around her creation, and it's usually answered by finding some macguffins.
The world/setup of Horizon is neat, the games are lush graphics showpieces, the gameplay is fun enough when you're fighting robo-dinos with traps...but the characters are not even in the same stratosphere of execution.
Madflavor
Member
Oh yeah that's a good point. People love dinosaurs.
She was never great but I thought she was decent in the first one. I really disliked her in the second one.
I think besides the characterisation she just wouldn't shut up while walking around.
What I played of that (multiple hours) I found very boring and with too many additional things added to the combat. It felt massive and bloated.
I just stopped playing and never went back.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I wish they changed her a little in the 2nd game. She's stoic as a personality for a reason. The game's story kinda explains it. But they should have added more personality to her in the 2nd game. I haven't played Burning Shores yet though.
CJ_75
Member
Fair enough, if the main character rubbed you the wrong way, that's your opinion. And not every story or character resonates with everyone.
And no, I didn't miss that part. But instead of reflecting on why you couldn't accept or relate to the character, you immediately shifted the focus to the game's "wokeness," referencing another title known for that label and bringing up the lesbian storyline. So your main emphasis seems to be on calling the game woke.
Someone who played both original games and their DLCs but refuses to play the conclusion doesn't exactly strike me as having solid reasoning.
You jump straight to assumptions. I enjoy the Horizon games, but nothing more than that. My criticism is aimed more at people who see "woke" everywhere and, because of that, ignore what actually matters: the gameplay, graphics, sound design, and overall craft of the game itself.
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balls of snow
Member
40 million sold across 2 main games and 2 sides is a success no matter how much gaf snarks. Certainly not my favourite Sony ip but the franchise is still cooking.
mayham2199
Member
I mean the story and world setting alone differentiate it. What's the other open world game with dinosaurs taking over the world because of AI?
kiphalfton
Member
Same copy/pasted mission structure, collectathon, skill tree crap as in every open world game.
Durin
Member
I think she's better in the first one because you're getting her direct origin story, attached the premise of making this entire weird world filled with humans going tribal again next to machines.
The 2nd game loses the novelty of the premise, so they have to actually fill the world with interesting events/people to contextualize it, and make it feel lived in. I think they tried by overstuffing the game with things, but in that Ubisoft way where not much of it is compelling on its own. Definitely agree there was more yapping, the internal monologue these characters do reacting to things could be toned down.
yurinka
Member
You are acting as if TLOU, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Spider-Man and so on wouldn't be bundled. They have been too, and didn't sell that. Plus unlike Horizon they didn't include the first big sequel super early in PS+.
None. It's units sold, which means sold standalone or in a bundle with the console. Not units downloaded via PS+ or given away because these aren't units sold.
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FalsettoVibe
Member
The level of salt in this thread is raising my blood pressure.
JackHanma
Member
Horizon sucks dude.
electricmastro
Member
For reference, this is how Horizon now stacks up to other franchises: https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Best_selling_game_franchises
Fallout - 50 million
Diablo - 50 million
Destiny - 50 million
The Last of Us - 45 million
Mega Man - 43 million
Total War - 43 million
Bioshock - 43 million
Gears of War - 41 million
Guitar Hero - 40 million
Megami Tensei - 40 million
Payday - 40 million
Tony Hawk - 40 million
Ratchet and Clank - 40 million
Horizon - 40 million
Medal of Honor - 39 million
Naruto - 37 million
Devil May Cry - 37 million
Kingdom Hearts 36 million
Brain Age - 35 million
NBA Live - 35 million
Mafia - 34 million
Fallout - 50 million
Diablo - 50 million
Destiny - 50 million
The Last of Us - 45 million
Mega Man - 43 million
Total War - 43 million
Bioshock - 43 million
Gears of War - 41 million
Guitar Hero - 40 million
Megami Tensei - 40 million
Payday - 40 million
Tony Hawk - 40 million
Ratchet and Clank - 40 million
Horizon - 40 million
Medal of Honor - 39 million
Naruto - 37 million
Devil May Cry - 37 million
Kingdom Hearts 36 million
Brain Age - 35 million
NBA Live - 35 million
Mafia - 34 million
The artful mincer
Member
Reason for this was memory issue on PS4.
Maybe the PS5 super sexy SSD can solve that for future games.
The artful mincer
Member
Who actually likes that series? It's like all the worst parts of a Ubisoft game.
The combat and enemy design is some of the best and most unique in the industry.
They overcomplicated the combat in forbidden west though.
Unfortunately they listened to idiots crying about the melee system in Zero Dawn. They spread themselves too thin trying make a game that you can-
"play how you want"
They should have simplified the melee and coached/forced players to use there incredible 3rd person shooting mechanics.
You can't have best in class melee and shooting mechanics in the same game.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The combat is serviceable. Let's not go crazy. The melee is downright awful, so the game ends up just being using your Ropecsster to tie down big machines and then obliterate them with your Blast Sling.
One of the best in the business? Come on lol.
it still sold well.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Blatant bigot whining. Omg gay looking character comes out, I am so angry that someone wrote this and put this in something that I will protest like a whiny cunt. Males that don't mature past 12 are sad to watch.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Since a large portion of the audience is superficial in tastes, the Horizon saga is a perfect product for them. It's the paradigm of beautiful and shallow.
- Its main character: after +80 hours of playtime of the first Horizon, I wouldn't be able to tell any personal traits in Aloy other than her ethnic or sexual identity. She literally has no personality or aspirations. It's a character that goes from point A to point B because reasons.
- Combat and other mechanics: this is the part that frustrates me the most. There are so many cool things you could do with Aloy's arsenal and dinobots whose armors and cannons can be removed. Everything's so basic and the melee combat is retarded. The hacking happens automatically, when you could have something like in Pragmata, for each dinobot a differnt hacking system. The same applies to climbing. It could be very challenging or involving some skills but nah, just follow the yellow paint. Braindead stuff.
- Exploration: You have a beautiful apocalyptic world supposedly full of secrets and your only rewards are some data logs scattered around. Since the traversal is so limited in options there's nothing to explore or rewards to do so. If there are snowy mountains, make the character vulnerable to cold temperature so she has to kill a certain type of dinobots to get a warm plate for the armor, for example. There's zero thought in the world exploration, just empty beautiful vistas.
Horizon could be truly great if their devs were invested in making a fun videogame instead of pretending to be a woke version of Kojima with a nonsensical story.
- Its main character: after +80 hours of playtime of the first Horizon, I wouldn't be able to tell any personal traits in Aloy other than her ethnic or sexual identity. She literally has no personality or aspirations. It's a character that goes from point A to point B because reasons.
- Combat and other mechanics: this is the part that frustrates me the most. There are so many cool things you could do with Aloy's arsenal and dinobots whose armors and cannons can be removed. Everything's so basic and the melee combat is retarded. The hacking happens automatically, when you could have something like in Pragmata, for each dinobot a differnt hacking system. The same applies to climbing. It could be very challenging or involving some skills but nah, just follow the yellow paint. Braindead stuff.
- Exploration: You have a beautiful apocalyptic world supposedly full of secrets and your only rewards are some data logs scattered around. Since the traversal is so limited in options there's nothing to explore or rewards to do so. If there are snowy mountains, make the character vulnerable to cold temperature so she has to kill a certain type of dinobots to get a warm plate for the armor, for example. There's zero thought in the world exploration, just empty beautiful vistas.
Horizon could be truly great if their devs were invested in making a fun videogame instead of pretending to be a woke version of Kojima with a nonsensical story.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Read better.
I'm allowed to not like forced romances. Baldurs Gate 3 didn't force my character to be gay and I didn't bitch about that game even though multiple characters in the game were gay. Take a break from the internet for a bit while you tend to your hurt and gaping butthole.
calico
Member
Finished both and the expansions, and probably doubled the playthrough time of FW taking screenshots.
yurinka
Member
You personally may not like it, but it's the fastest selling IP created by SIE.
Deficit
Member
Are you forgetting it was bundled with like every PS4/5 for a long time?
The artful mincer
Member
No, it's one of the best in the business. The melee needs work but the fact people complain about it so much says more about them than the game.
The game is so obviously a 3rd Person shooter, it's melee doesn't need to be deep, just functional. It's on the same level as other 3rd person shooters/first person shooters, like uncharted, resident evil and doom. Although admittedly it is definitely more janky than those games.
The depth in its shooting mechanics is categorically insane. The amount of options you have and the complexity of the enemies is unmatched.
Sure you can abuse certain mechanics but name me a game where you can't? Frankly you can go about taking down the big machines far more efficiently than you described using all the game mechanics.
What games do you consider best in class? (3rd person or 1st person shooters). I'm getting a huge feeling I'm gonna get a bunch of overrated Japanese slop fired my way!
Deficit
Member
Thanks, Hermen
DEAD ORIGINAL
Member
50% is half though
The artful mincer
Member
Oh fuck off!
The_hunter
Member
I own both games, after 10 hours of the first one I got so bored and dropped it. Graphics are amazing though.
Graphics are a 10, but the gameplay for me was very average and generic.
Graphics are a 10, but the gameplay for me was very average and generic.
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