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Anyone else watching? Republican defense seems meek, mostly calling to stall or have hearings. No one really defending Trump.
If Mitch gives the greenlight I think there's a good chance he gets convicted this time.Who needed to work today anyway?
Spoiler, he’ll be impeached again.
Sure seems a lot more likely than 2 days ago.If Mitch gives the greenlight I think there's a good chance he gets convicted this time.
Are the walls closing in?Drumpf is finished.
Wanna point out that the Dem house elected in 2018 that promised to get back to business and stop with the conspiracy and impeachment is now on their second impeachment.
Heh I really am enjoying this public healthcare and these relief checks amirite benevolent House Democrats?![]()
Have you added the numbers up in the Senate to see the possibility out of curiosity?I mean if it had a chance of passing the Senate then this would make sense, but as of right now it's just another show.
Apparently McConnell and at least 20 Republican senators are open do it. They need 17. Could happen.I mean if it had a chance of passing the Senate then this would make sense, but as of right now it's just another show.
Apparently McConnell and at least 20 Republican senators are open do it. They need 17. Could happen.
But I think it will be sort of all or nothing, like if the whip count shows they have the votes to remove they'll do it, but if they don't, most R's aren't gonna stick their neck out for the sake of a failed protest.
Let's not mince words, Republicans are fucked either way. The corporate overlords are going to cut them out if they back Trump and the base is gonna eat them alive if they don't.And anyone who goes along with the Democrats on this will be voted out the next time their seat is up. I don't believe there's 20 Republicans willing to go on the record against Trump to guarantee that he can't run again in 2024 at the risk of their own political careers.
Are the walls closing in?
Part of his appeal was the belief that he was always in control, always won in the end.Time to purge the orange from the GOP. Let them have a clean break and not worry about 2024. The cult members will slowly wake up and move on.
Wanna point out that Trump said he’d leave office if he lost then attempted a violent coupWanna point out that the Dem house elected in 2018 that promised to get back to business and stop with the conspiracy and impeachment is now on their second impeachment.
Heh I really am enjoying this public healthcare and these relief checks amirite benevolent House Democrats?![]()
Wanna point out how Trump attempted a violent coup?Wanna point out that Trump said he’d leave office if he lost then attempted a violent coup![]()
Nah, the 4D chess continued to pay off amidst years of accusations against Trump. He didn't get the reputation of Teflon Don because the accusations were landing, let's put it that way. Just because he fumbled this at the end doesn't make all the old accusations -- that ended up in nothing -- true. This is an awfully simple-minded way of looking at a complex presidency that just ended.The Trust the Plan types in particular are going to have to come to grips with the fact that there was never a plan. It wasn't 4D chess. It was actually as bad as it always looked.
He didn't fumble at the end, he's stayed losing for pretty much the whole year, and a lot of people tried to spin that as part of some masterplan and that he'd come back stronger than ever and it's just imaginary.Nah, the 4D chess continued to pay off amidst years of accusations against Trump. He didn't get the reputation of Teflon Don because the accusations were landing, let's put it that way. Just because he fumbled this at the end doesn't make all the old accusations -- that ended up in nothing -- true. This is an awfully simple-minded way of looking at a complex presidency that just ended.
The simplest headlines and simplest understandings are the norm now, instead of something to be sneered at.
That's not the point. Your claim was that the 4D chess was a lie all along, that things "were actually bad as it always looked". I'm pointing out the obvious, that Trump's fumbles now don't change how things went back then. I guess you can move the goalposts as to how long of a timeframe "the end" is, but he was successfully surviving the blamegame for COVID all of last year without being impeached, for instance.He didn't fumble at the end, he's stayed losing for pretty much the whole year, and a lot of people tried to spin that as part of some masterplan and that he'd come back stronger than ever and it's just imaginary.
I think we're just talking about two different things. The "Trust the Plan" 4D chess types I'm referring to often explained away his failures as tricks or traps to set up a larger victory. That victory has clearly not come.That's not the point. Your claim was that the 4D chess was a lie all along, that things "were actually bad as it always looked". I'm pointing out the obvious, that Trump's fumbles now don't change how things went back then. I guess you can move the goalposts as to how long of a timeframe "the end" is, but he was successfully surviving the blamegame for COVID all of last year without being impeached, for instance.
Also AOC wasn't even there, she sent a substitute lol.
(Also I forgotDunDunDunpachi was still here, I must not have noticed you've been posting lol. Though you vanished.)
Thanks for clarifying. I see what you meant in your original post.I think we're just talking about two different things. The "Trust the Plan" 4D chess types I'm referring to often explained away his failures as tricks or traps to set up a larger victory. That victory has clearly not come.
Lots of people are sending in substitutes to be fair.
Considering some of the...statements she has made recently this actually makes her a special case and doing so does nothing but make her look bad. Well, worse than she already looks.
You know, I really liked him when he was mayor of Newark but I can't cringe hard enough every time he takes the Senate floor and tries to breathlessly summon the tears of centuries of struggle.I'm looking forward to Cory Booker's Oscar-bait performance if this makes it to the Senate.
Let's not mince words, Republicans are fucked either way. The corporate overlords are going to cut them out if they back Trump and the base is gonna eat them alive if they don't.
But honestly a lot of these people would rather keep their golden parachutes than get another term anyway.
And of course, what good is a base that thinks elections are fake, anyway? Like if Trump is this corrosive to democracy, how useful is her really to those seeking elected office?
There's also a lot of calculus about how influential Trump will be in 2, 4, 6 years. If he's impeached and cancelled and the nation sobers up from Stop the Steal then maybe having supported Trump won't be as popular as it is right now as the base is still reeling and coming to grips.
No one in that chamber is facing election for at least two years, and many not for six. There is no "here and now." I think impeaching in an election year was doomed to be partisan, but that's a little less true right now.There's a lot of possibilities with nothing being assured at this point but in the here and now I think it would be more damaging for Republicans to support impeaching him a second time. The reality is if this is the kind of thing they want to impeach a president on it just highlights what a joke the first impeachment was and how frivolous the Democrats were in doing it.
This is a clown show
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know you're banned from taking an office ever again if you're impeached for inciting a coup, which would prevent Trump from joining the 2024 election.What's the point when he is leaving office anyway? I guess I'm ignorant on this one.
Only if the senate convicts, which is unlikely. There will probably be more R votes than just Romney this time but not enough to hit 2/3.Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know you're banned from taking an office ever again if you're impeached for inciting a coup, which would prevent Trump from joining the 2024 election.