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How could Bungie get away so easily with removing paid content from Destiny 2?

Reizo Ryuu

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You can for Shadowkeep & Forsaken. The intro campaign Red War along with expansions: Curse of Osiris & Warmind are gone
I started there but Amanda gives no quests at all. I think she did before the “purge” but not anymore. And it’s a shame because I would really like to experience the story and the removed quests and especially planets. This is my biggest issue btw, removing whole planets.
That sucks, I'm sorry new players aren't able to experience Rasputin.
 
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My best friend is ridiculously addicted to the series so I'll ask him what he thinks. He used to complain in our group chat about this kind of stuff but he hasn't said anything lately

Dude has tons of hours...I mean tons of hours playing Destiny 1 and 2 lol
 
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NEbeast

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They can do so many different things to fix the issue, many games have this issue where it's been a long running series, how do they make it accessible to both new and longtime fans? Well there are many ways, like adding new story missions for new players, or a comic book style recap where players can just read the events and story easily IF and WHEN they want to. There are plenty of things they could do, but they won't. That doesn't excuse the fact that for a new player, this game is completely terrible story wise. Even for long time players, the way Bungie try's to tell the story has always been done poorly, even when the story itself is good. Sure a returning player will know strikes are more like memories of events that already happened, but from the perspective of a new player it is absolutely an issue. The game has a major time problem with its story, lots of mmos have this problem, but Destiny's is significantly worse then the others with it's content vault.

Really I haven't played for months/years nice try all my characters are 1320+, I was doing VoG last night :messenger_tears_of_joy: Really nice attempt to try and invalidate my completely valid thoughts on the game though.



For PVP it has major issues, like not being updated in over a year, or reusing old maps that were balanced and created with a completely different meta in mind, particularly D1 maps. Nerfs are still happening across PvE and PvP. That's been a complaint since D1, people have been asking that they balance the two separately. It's terrible when they nerf something that works find in PvE, and is broken in PvP, and now its suddenly unusable in PvE, how is this still a problem?

Believe me I could go on for days with the problems the game has, I agree that it's a really fun shooter at it's base that can feel incredibly fun to play. But it's really lame for any fan of the game who complains, and then is dogpiled by fanboys who attack them for 'not really being a fan' or 'probably being someone who hasn't played in months/years'. This is Wasted Potential The Game, and the fanboys only make it worse by rolling over and accepting everything Bungie does,, maybe if the community ever actually complained about the many issues the game has it would've actually gotten better by now. Something Fans have said has been happening since TTK, "It's heading in the right direction, I'm sure by next update it'll be a good game"
Gotcha, you're one of those guys that shit on the game but still play it. Aren't you the problem you're trying to push on other players? If its that bad why the fuck are you max pinnacle level? Get a grip.
 
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LRKD

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Gotcha, you're one of those guys that shit on the game but still play it. Aren't you the problem you're trying to push on other players? If its that bad why the fuck are you max pinnacle level? Get a grip.

Believe me I could go on for days with the problems the game has, I agree that it's a really fun shooter at it's base that can feel incredibly fun to play. But it's really lame for any fan of the game who complains, and then is dogpiled by fanboys who attack them for 'not really being a fan' or 'probably being someone who hasn't played in months/years'.

Oh yeah you got me all right. I'm the one who needs to get a grip, lmao :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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NEbeast

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You have done nothing but shit on this game, and Bungie, yet you post a screenshot showing you're at fucking pinnacle cap. Cmon, choose a side.
 
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Aion002

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We just quit it.

Many old Destiny players that played until the end of Forsaken just stopped playing when Bungie announced their plans and changed everything.

I have 20 players on my PlayStation friend list that played Destiny since the beginning, they just slowly stopped playing after the changes.

It was clear for many that Bungie didn't care about the old Destiny and just wanted to sell repetitive content and season passes.

It's sad, since Forsaken was amazing and in my opinion the best content Bungie made for Destiny....
 
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8BiTw0LF

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Bungie marketed Destiny to be an ever-expanding universe. Destiny 2 killed that vision - definitively. Expansion DLC's were great, but when they started making the franchise a live-service, with season passes and eternal grind, it all went to shit. The once powerful and respected studio in the industry and among it's fans chose to piss it all away - cause greediness.

It all started with this jackass:


I hope some big studio rips the Destiny (1) formula. Maybe Firewalk Studios will bring something good to us old Destiny fans?
 
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LRKD

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You have done nothing but shit on this game, and Bungie, yet you post a screenshot showing you're at fucking pinnacle cap. Cmon, choose a side.
My side is that the game is incredibly fun and addicting to play, but despite that, it suffers from many major problems. I think it's very important to vocally complain about the game, in hopes that in the future these problems will be solved.
Ask anyone who stopped playing Destiny and they'll probably say something similair. For those that stopped playing, the problems got to big to ignore, for me they did too. I literally only started playing again since they brought back VoG, before that I hadn't played for a year, and after I have my fun with VoG I'll stop playing again. People who hate on Destiny don't hate on it for fun, they hate on it because they want the game to be better.

How about you choose a side? Why are my opinions invalid no matter if I play the game or not? Why can't anyone complain about Destiny? There is always some sorta 'gatcha' with Destiny complaints, always some sort of strawman that invalidates every complaint about the game. Since no matter what I do or say, I'll be somehow invalidated by your gatcha, lets just forget it. I'll give in on this.


Today we are discussing "How is it acceptable that Bungie removes content that a lot of people paid serious money for? Where is the outrage for this?" How about we go back to discussing that? What if they removed every single one of your eververse items you paid for, would you be upset then? Or would you still defend the content vault? Where is the line in the sand for you?

Back when Destiny 2 launched, Destiny 1 players complained their gear was being removed, and they were being reset, is it only gear that matters? Where do you personally draw the line, I am genuinely intrigued on your thoughts since despite us both being people with lots of time on destiny, we have such different opinions.
 

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They also get away with the servers being down usually on new content releases.
They make us pay again for content already released.
They can't come up with new ideas is my thinking.

Pathetic either way.
 

wtftad

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I thought they trimmed this content to deal with the ballooning update size as well?
 

NEbeast

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My side is that the game is incredibly fun and addicting to play, but despite that, it suffers from many major problems. I think it's very important to vocally complain about the game, in hopes that in the future these problems will be solved.
Ask anyone who stopped playing Destiny and they'll probably say something similair. For those that stopped playing, the problems got to big to ignore, for me they did too. I literally only started playing again since they brought back VoG, before that I hadn't played for a year, and after I have my fun with VoG I'll stop playing again. People who hate on Destiny don't hate on it for fun, they hate on it because they want the game to be better.

How about you choose a side? Why are my opinions invalid no matter if I play the game or not? Why can't anyone complain about Destiny? There is always some sorta 'gatcha' with Destiny complaints, always some sort of strawman that invalidates every complaint about the game. Since no matter what I do or say, I'll be somehow invalidated by your gatcha, lets just forget it. I'll give in on this.


Today we are discussing "How is it acceptable that Bungie removes content that a lot of people paid serious money for? Where is the outrage for this?" How about we go back to discussing that? What if they removed every single one of your eververse items you paid for, would you be upset then? Or would you still defend the content vault? Where is the line in the sand for you?

Back when Destiny 2 launched, Destiny 1 players complained their gear was being removed, and they were being reset, is it only gear that matters? Where do you personally draw the line, I am genuinely intrigued on your thoughts since despite us both being people with lots of time on destiny, we have such different opinions.
They have never said they are removing eververse items, I don't get what you're trying to push. They removed content to "reboot" destiny and they have done a good job. Clearly we disagree on the pros and cons. I have zero problem with you critiquing the game - the game does has flaws, not once have I said otherwise (stasis). I don't get how you can shit on Bungie removing content that is 4 years old, content that makes ZERO sense in the current storyline. The darkness ate those planets you refer to, what else to you want? It was a part of the darkness vs light saga. I'm confused, you say Destiny is fun to play, just like I did , yet you're the picking the bones. Bungie have been held to fire countless times, why do you think we're where we are now? Double primary, 4vs4, massive cool downs on abilities. I have zero problem with your take on the game - you're acting like this is one big shit show though. The game is in a much better place now- compared to a year ago, nevermind 2 years ago. You're pinnacle cap my man, you have played dozens of hours this season. I guess it was all VOG. Or you could keep pulling the eververse card.
 
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I've been playing Destiny ever since D1 The Dark Below, thats the 2nd DLC for Destiny 1. Its always been a game in my ps4 and now Destiny 2. For a person like me, the content removal made sense. I dont revisit old campaigns/planets/ content prior to when they removed it because being they dont provide the incentive to play those content anymore. For a person like me who plays Destiny 2 almost constantly, it was fine that content was removed because it allowed me to experience other new modes and content.

I can understand why people are angry content they paid for got removed, and believe me there was an outrage. It really sucks that Strikes and PVP maps were removed but I understand why planets were removed. They were simply irrelevant.

Honestly, its been a while now and for someone who plays Destiny constantly, this issue has become insignificant for me just because I'm enjoying the newer content. I guess thats the barrier to entry for Destiny. You more or less cant play catch up, youre going to be left behind in some way or another. Could Bungie have designed it better? For sure. They told us it was a file size issue. Okay, I guess? The game was more than 100gb+ when content got removed. Maybe they could have made all prrvious story content a separate offline download? Not sure of the logistics of that though.

I guess Bungie drew the line to prioritize the hardcore audience? Its a f2p game now, they decided to allocate and distribute resources so that their sole product appeals more to an audience who are more likely to give them additional revenue. Judging by how Bungie is expanding, guess their business model is working so far
 
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Beats me, people are suckers that allow this nonsense to happen. Bungie can say whatever they want about it being good for the game or whatever, but the fact remains that people are losing access to content they paid for. Dunno how anyone can argue that's a good thing. I for one I'm very glad I didn't give them a single dollar for it and stopped after Destiny 1.
 

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I loved Destiny but it was always a struggle with bungie playing fun police. Never touched D2, seems like that was a good call.
 

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I played destiny 2 on and off for the first few years but If I didn't have to time to play then a dlc launched, the developers would finish the previous dlc for me and move me forward to a point that I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing or what has happened.

So I'm done with destiny 2.

I have gone back to have a go of destiny 1 which is great but 30fps 🤮
 

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They can do so many different things to fix the issue, many games have this issue where it's been a long running series, how do they make it accessible to both new and longtime fans? Well there are many ways, like adding new story missions for new players, or a comic book style recap where players can just read the events and story easily IF and WHEN they want to. There are plenty of things they could do, but they won't. That doesn't excuse the fact that for a new player, this game is completely terrible story wise. Even for long time players, the way Bungie try's to tell the story has always been done poorly, even when the story itself is good. Sure a returning player will know strikes are more like memories of events that already happened, but from the perspective of a new player it is absolutely an issue. The game has a major time problem with its story, lots of mmos have this problem, but Destiny's is significantly worse then the others with it's content vault.

Really I haven't played for months/years nice try all my characters are 1320+, I was doing VoG last night :messenger_tears_of_joy: Really nice attempt to try and invalidate my completely valid thoughts on the game though.



For PVP it has major issues, like not being updated in over a year, or reusing old maps that were balanced and created with a completely different meta in mind, particularly D1 maps. Nerfs are still happening across PvE and PvP. That's been a complaint since D1, people have been asking that they balance the two separately. It's terrible when they nerf something that works find in PvE, and is broken in PvP, and now its suddenly unusable in PvE, how is this still a problem?

Believe me I could go on for days with the problems the game has, I agree that it's a really fun shooter at it's base that can feel incredibly fun to play. But it's really lame for any fan of the game who complains, and then is dogpiled by fanboys who attack them for 'not really being a fan' or 'probably being someone who hasn't played in months/years'. This is Wasted Potential The Game, and the fanboys only make it worse by rolling over and accepting everything Bungie does,, maybe if the community ever actually complained about the many issues the game has it would've actually gotten better by now. Something Fans have said has been happening since TTK, "It's heading in the right direction, I'm sure by next update it'll be a good game"

Congrats, you and your wife have beautiful children.
 

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I stopped playing also because the game became a constant money grab for content that seemed like a laundry list of grinding in places I’d already been to a million times. Then when they deleted all the content I’d paid for, I was done. Oh and Destiny 2 became “wait, didn’t I already spend years playing this in Destiny 1 years ago?”

I just don’t get why they were so against just doing a “Destiny 3” or “Destiny 2 Armageddon” or whatever and leave the old stuff intact as Destiny 2 then move on with the deletion of stuff and reissuing old areas as a new game. Would that really not have been worth it just to keep from pissing off half your user base by deleting all their paid content?
 
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The part I loved was when they announced the PS5/X|S console upgrades. i was looking forward to going through the whole of it at 4K/60fps.
Then they said they were going to put all of that shit into the attic. I come to play the game on PS5 and it was just empty, just a fucking husk of a game.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

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Destiny has been colossally mismanaged.

It had incredible promise and after bungie, well, bungie'd up again and again, it just became a live service looter shooter.

Much shame.
 

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My best friend is ridiculously addicted to the series so I'll ask him what he thinks. He used to complain in our group chat about this kind of stuff but he hasn't said anything lately

Dude has tons of hours...I mean tons of hours playing Destiny 1 and 2 lol
I had 2700h in Destiny 1, 30min in Destiny 2, its the same game, they just removed your weapons.
 

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Not the first time bungie being dicks with online content, Halo 3 locked you out of a lot of popular online playlists unless you bought the latest "optional" dlc.
 

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As much as everyone thought Activision were behind the scummy business models in this game, nobody was prepared for how much more shitty it could get when Bungie took full control.

I played hundreds of hours across 1 & 2 and will NEVER touch Destiny again, the armour/eververse/content removal/fun nerf/etc etc just takes the piss and I will not contribute to the number of people who support business models like this.
 
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Nobody_Important

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I look at it practically. The content that was removed was rarely played anymore and it allows a better focus on their newer stuff. Plus the things that were removed were at a time when they were not on a F2P model. So it may not have fit into their new vision for the game. Also from what i understand the game was getting very bloated from an install size perspective.



I'm not saying it isn't scummy, but I get it.