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How do people fall for dumb "detox" and "cleanse" shit?
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Don't natural fruit juices contain ≈ as much sugar as soda? They will make you fat on the same level as candy or coke, and fuel sugar addiction. They would have done that 5000 BC as well, it doesn't really matter for how long they have been around.
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I don't think anyone is trying to claim chemicals=good always. Instead, they're arguing against chemicals=bad always. Those aren't the same thing, so I don't see the problem with that argument.
I fast on regular bases, 2 days a werk and I don't use any magical vitamins or water. My body also thanks me and everything also works much better and that's just because I eat much less.
People should just stop eating so much and so late.
I mostly eat until 7PM on days when I eat, works great to keep things under control.
People should just stop eating so much and so late.
I mostly eat until 7PM on days when I eat, works great to keep things under control.
Well, uh, everything in the universe except light and forms of energy is just a chemical compound if you're going to go that route. Not sure how that proves that the ones that appear in fruits and vegetables are less dangerous than what we create.
You can't use anecdotal evidence from before we were even alive as a juice defense. If you're drinking cups of juice, you're consuming significant amounts of calories and sugar, agree or disagree?
And no one in the entire world has ever said "all chemicals are good" but tons, a few in this thread even, have implied that chemicals are bad. "Preservatives" for example.
If you have any opinions on GMOs, I'd love for someone to start a thread about it who wasn't me for once.
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Beacuse it is an easy way to get 50g of protein at any time. Has nothing to do with magic potions lol.
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Saying that something is not a good, healthy, nutritional choice for you does not mean it is the sole and only cause of the obesity issues we face today. Food portion sizes, excessive sugar, sedentary lifestyles, it all contributes. I'm not a nutrition expert. But even a very basic knowledge of very very very simple nutritional principles tells you what you need to know about fruit juice. If you understand the role of insulin and sugar in the body, you understand glycemic indexes, and you understand fibre's role, you see why fruit juice is troublesome.
What preservatives does fruit juice have and what are their impacts on the human body? You're doing the "it has bad chemicals" thing again.
But your argument here supports the "everything has chemicals" defence; the presence of chemicals is not a problem. Lead isn't bad for you because it's a chemical, lead is bad for you because lead itself is bad for you. You can't simply say something is bad because it has chemicals, you need to identify chemicals that have known negative impacts on human beings. Is there lead in diet soda?
There is no scientific proof of negatives, and it's beneficial to eat food.
I think science will back me up on that.
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ALL of the food we eat today, even the most organic natural bullshit you can find, has been genetically modified. You cannot escape it. Embrace it.
Exactly.
Something being a chemical does not indicate if it's good or bad. So you may as well stop making the argument to begin with.
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Except there's nothing to defend as you haven't even mentioned what these negatives are, never mind proving that they exist to begin with. Can't defend anything if you've let to make an actual argument yourself. If you want an argument, then make an actual claim beyond just GMOs are bad (okay, but how? What's wrong with them? What are these negatives that the positives don't outweigh? In what way exactly are they harmful and why shouldn't their use be continued?) and provide something to be refuted instead of expecting the other side to do your work for you
CornBurrito
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GMOs have been extensively tested. Also artifical selection is also like a form of genetic modification.
There is no proof that the Internet doesn't have significant long term effects on human mental health BTW.
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Yes, and it's beneficial to eat food. If there are no negatives, and food is a positive, and GMOs are food, GMOs are a positive. I can't frame the argument any other way because there isn't any negative aspect of GMO you've presented me. If you want to get into specifics, I can tell you about the agricultural benefits of some GMOs, or the health benefits of others. Ie, draught resistant crops or nutritionally supplemented crops.
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IIRC there is some research that suggests the pesticides used in conjunction with some GMO crops are harmful to humans. Though so are pesticides used for non GMO crops, and not every GMO crop is made specifically to produce or be resistant to a specifically designed pesticide.
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we went from how stupid people are for falling for piss pass schemes and now we're defending GMO's.
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Sorry, but if you think gmo is bad for you I suggest you read peer reviewed scientific journals on the topic.
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Mexico, India, and Pakistan would like to have a word with you:
You should read up on dwarf wheat and Norman Borlaug: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug
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Well, I must say I am surprised there are so many people on GAF who believe in detoxes, are anti-GMO, and think fruit juice is good for you.
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Orbis Tabula
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If this comment seems like a reasonable response than I'm not shocked you'd run off of GAF when you see beliefs that clash with yours. Nor am I disappointed.
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Man, can I get some of the Gaf you've been having? Mine came with an extra helping of weird batshit.
Dongs Macabre
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Holy shit.
If you're going to say that GMOs are bad, at least give an argument or actual science to back up your position. All you're doing is making dickhead comments without actually contributing to the discussion.
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Probably for the same reason people think GMOs are bad. The irony is that many so-called liberals laugh at ignorant conservatives who refuse to acknowledge the reality of global warming, and then turn right around and claim GMOs are dangerous.
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Orbis Tabula
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Yeah, but it would be weird if a friend wanted to go there and you refused because there was no proof that there weren't rodents. Even weirder if you said "The food is good, but not good enough to outweigh the negatives of the rodents that they can't prove aren't there."
Eh, it's a lot easier to drink a protein shake instead of eating 8 or so chicken breasts. It's only meant to supplement your diet. Maybe you're a vegetarian and you can't get many sources of just clean protein? If you're not getting enough already, hence the word supplement.
It's not a magic potion like say steroids.
I don't know why this stuff bothers people. At worst it does no harm while providing a refreshing beverage with some modicum of beneficial nutrients. It doesn't hurt the people doing it and it doesn't hurt you, so why the fuss? It's not like this is some great scam perpetrated by the lemon lobby; it's simply people with an interest in their health partaking in speculative methods to improve it.
If you want "dumb shit people fall for" to complain about, look to all the people who blindly swallow every anti-depressant, statin, or proton pump inhibitor their doctors shill onto them. "Instead of diagnosing and treating the cause of my symptoms, you're going to give me a drug that directly interferes with the basic functioning of my vital organs, all so I just wont notice my symptoms anymore? Sure, sign me up!"
If you want "dumb shit people fall for" to complain about, look to all the people who blindly swallow every anti-depressant, statin, or proton pump inhibitor their doctors shill onto them. "Instead of diagnosing and treating the cause of my symptoms, you're going to give me a drug that directly interferes with the basic functioning of my vital organs, all so I just wont notice my symptoms anymore? Sure, sign me up!"
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"Natural" and "toxins" are such effective marketing buzzwords its not really surprising that a lot of people fall for stuff like this. You can slap "chemicals" on pretty much anything and imply that it causes cancer
This makes me laugh too.
The two scenarios are actually kind of similar. A lot of detox "diets" and stuff are really targeted towards quick weight loss. Instead of trying to treat the symptoms of obesity by adopting a well balanced diet, people try magical detox lemonade binges to try to melt the fat or cleanse the toxins that are "ruining their metabolisms"
This makes me laugh too.
The two scenarios are actually kind of similar. A lot of detox "diets" and stuff are really targeted towards quick weight loss. Instead of trying to treat the symptoms of obesity by adopting a well balanced diet, people try magical detox lemonade binges to try to melt the fat or cleanse the toxins that are "ruining their metabolisms"
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not sure why we are so worried about toxins in our food when the water supply is loaded with fluoride.
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People don't have bigger concerns what with Obama always pumping them full of radio waves?
Thankfully these foot bath things seem to have fallen out of fashion, but you could make your own rather cheaply
You understand why this sort of thought process is a problem though, right? Everything in our lives are now things that are untrustworthy because, even though they may not have evidence of negatives, they could have negatives that we know nothing about.
We don't operate this way, for good reason - I doubt you operate that way as well in your every day life, and you for some reason put an unreasonable burden on GMOs. I really suggest you look into -what- GMOs are, what the process of making GMOs entails and how it compares to regular breeding and evolution. It really will help to highlight why the GMO scare is -very- misplaced.
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Artificial selection apparently doesn't count, even though artificial selection is a significantly less precise process than current methods of genetic modification.
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I only eat auroch, red junglefowl, and wild boars. My pet is a grey wolf, and my grain of choice is teosinte.
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Fasting can feel pretty good, I always figured most 'cleanses' were just fasting by another name and with some specious reasoning attached.
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blend that up with some apple cider vinegar, litchi, and wheatgrass and get some of that iron back.
See? you just subscribed the pseudoscience of "shit, diet soda is the devil".
Also, equating fucking diet soda with eating cheesburger "for dinner tonight".
I have just eaten a delicious low-sodium chickpea soup tonight, and I am going to drink diet coke for that. I would fuck myself up for no reason if I were to drink orange juice instead. I do not need that 15-20g sugar in my water per 250ml bottle. Or potentially more.
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