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How to make the failed Marvel Avengers game a success with three easy steps

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Since the game bombed hard i thought of these steps to turn the game into a great success!

Step one: get rid of the realistic graphics that make the Avengers look like actors in a parody porn movie, just look at this shit



Use a cel shaded models and make them look closer to the comics just like the Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 game which was a great game that sold a lot btw, check it out if you didn't play it. look how this looks really clean and beautiful.




Step two: replace the ugly little girl with lame powers Ms. Marvel..



..with the powerful and beautiful original Ms. Marvel




Step three: get rid of the microtransaction system but keep the game as a service (GaaS) by following what Capcom did with Monster Hunter World, adding a new avenger every few months with their unique story and outfits for a few bucks, there is a lot of cool characters that will keep this game alive for years.



Step four: PROFIT


So what do you guys think? do you have any new ideas to save this game that i missed?
 

MiguelItUp

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I kinda agree with what you said sans the Kamala Khan thing. My understanding is that a lot of people liked her character/story more than anything else in the game, so replacing her doesn't necessarily feel like it'll make the experience better. Unless there are a good number of folks that are against a younger Indian girl, lmao. I feel like redoing characters and the visuals would only do so much though. It wouldn't look as odd, sure, but it would still be a hollow experience.

The gameplay itself was a huge issue IMO. It was beyond repetitive. Along with the map, enemy, and loot/gear designs. It just all looked and felt passionless to me. A cash grab really.

I just hope we don't see more products like this. I mean, after their loss and failure with this, I can only hope it's made other developers and publishers open their eyes.
 
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Super Hero games always have the potential of being next level (Batman, Spider-Man etc.) part of being a good super hero game is rotating between beat-em-up, side quests, main quests etc. accomplishing them will make you a good super hero game.
 

kiphalfton

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Those are awful suggestions.

The game is a failure, and there's no salvaging that.
 

Boss Mog

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Those are all tiny issues that are not the main cause of the game flopping. The reason it flopped is because intead of making a AAA story driven single-player experience like Marvel's Spider-man, they decided to make a micro-trasaction ridden Destiny clone.
 

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The only thing to save the game is to release more content asap. Sorry waiting 8 months for Black Panther and then another 5 months for Dr Strange aint cutting it. 2 Hawkeyes and still no Spiderman ya not working.

Add in more Villians and levels. Preferably levels that have something to do with Marvel and not random Utah or snowy Trunda.

And then fix the Hives. WTF with their 1 hit kilss and having to grind every character for weeks to play a single player level in a MP game.

I still play the game and like the gameplay but lack of characters grinding and repetitive missions is keeping this game down.
 
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First -


As someone who has easily 200+ hours on the game, all of those suggestions are meh. Add Captain Marvel but don’t replace Miss Marvel, just keep both. A lot of the guys I run with, me included, like Miss Marvel. All they need to do is add more levels, raids, enemies, and heroes. And they’re adding all these things. That’s literally all the game needs. Everyone that actually plays the game with me agrees.
 

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Step One.
Make the gameplay loop fun.

The game is a grind that isnt fun, Enemies arent varied and dont give enough feedback, even if it had the best graphics, character designs on earth and you got rid of Kamala.....the gameplay would still be fucking shit and tiring.


Step Two
Who gives a shit.

The game is so much fun to play even in its ugliness im still enjoying myself.
The story is utter nonsense.....but im having so much fun who gives a shit.
They want to tax me out the ass through MTX?....I aint buying you fuckers cuz Im enjoying just playing the game.

Step Three.
Good sense of progression.
 
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Holy shit these suggestions are terrible. If you want it to be successful, either make it Free To Play or lower the initial price to $20 and add MEANINGFUL content. Currently it's just a boring grindfest by all accounts with not much to do.
 

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first impressions are really crucial for a game like this and they messed it up royally, i don't think there is any coming back from this unless they are willing to put realm reborn or no man's sky levels of effort behind it.
 
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xrnzaaas

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I didnt even know Ms Marvel was a real character, i thought it was just a sjw agenda character made for the game lol.
As for the game, its a lost cause i feel.
It is a sjw agenda character, just for Marvel as a whole.

1: don't play it
2: don't buy it
3: forget it existed

Much easier steps

4. Wait for the next Deus Ex game
 
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Step one: let this game die
Step two: let Crystal Dynamics do what they're good at

No step three.

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Just looking at the numbers


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Sounds like the PC version really disappointed sales wise. Game is silly though, they had so many ways they could have made it clear at better. How do you do a Gaas with the Hulk in it?
 
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Already seen that. I ain’t sweating. They sold 3+ million copies in a month. Some games takes years to reach that. Just a case of Square Enix and their insane expectations. Once they add in more heroes and villains this game will crawl back up.

What insane expectations lol they LOST 48 MILLION because of this game dude.
 

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I played a bunch when it launched but it didn’t really grab me. Gameplay was kind of repetitive and the the store prices were insane which was a huge turnoff.

While I agree Kamala Khan was well done that doesn’t negate the point that I didn’t want a game with Kamala Khan as the focus; a character I am not interested in who has a stupid power set ( and yes I think Mr Fantastic also is stupid and would not want a game based on him).

Classic Ms Marvel would be great but certainly not what Marvel has done to her the last five years, no interest in the current Captain Marvel.

The story should have been focused on Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor, if they needed a female Scarlet Witch,Wasp, She Hulk or Captain Marvel would have been far better choices all characters with much stronger Avengers ties than Black Widow or Kamala Khan.
 

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The character designs are absolutely in need of an overhaul. It's a GAAS title designed to make money off cosmetics and superheroes are perfect for that since they have so many different costumes to pick from but the problem is they tend to look like ass on these realistic models with such unheroic proportions. Just look at how bad Cap looks in all of his outfits. The thing is it's probably too late to do anything about that outside of maybe hail mary premium MCU skins. and they probably don't want to put in that kind of money into the game at this point.

Muslim Ms. Marvel sucks and the campaign sucked but it wasn't what killed the game. I t certainly didn't help though and releasing Kate Bishop as the first DLC character is just doubling down on the bad decision making in service of politics and not actually making money.

Classic Ms. Marvel was awesome but the stuff that made her interesting wouldn't translate well to being the focal point of a campaign like this really.

The monetization isn't that terrible all things considered, the real problem is the ugly cosmetics, and lack of interesting content in general. When dealing with Marvel comics there are so many interesting locales, villains, and scenarios to tap into and they did nothing with it. Hell, the only villains we have so far are like Abomination, Taskmaster, and Modok. The environments are as bland as can be and the mission design is freaking awful. This Hawkeye/Kate Bishop DLC needs something fresh in terms of actual objectives and set pieces if the game has any hope of turning things around.

Of course, the insane bugginess, borked matchmaking, and poor loot system are also major issues.

Can it be saved? Probably not but we have seen huge turn arounds so who knows.
 

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Kamala was fine, she served the purpose of a fangirl questioning what happened to her heroes fine, and don't forget shes not a retcon Ms Marvel, she still exists as Captain Marvel, shes a Fangirl who took on the name.

Now as for the game, I liked it, slight bias as a marvel fan, but still a lot of fun, but it got tedious after getting 3 Characters to level 30 with 140 gear, I really don't wanna do the other 3.
 

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As someone who has easily 200+ hours on the game
What insane expectations lol they LOST 48 MILLION because of this game dude.
"Games industry analyst, David Gibson, also took to Twitter to report new details on the company’s losses, including the potential development costs of Marvel’s Avengers. Gibson stated that Square Enix reported a ¥6.5billion “loss for HD Games driven by Marvel Avengers” and that the company “would not say how many sold but that volumes were 60% of plan.”

According to Gibson, the details imply that the “game cost over $100m to make but only sold 3m or so”. He later added: “The total cost of the game is closer to $170m-$190m given they only expenses 70% of cost in the [quarter] plus marketing costs.”"

Volumes were 60% of plan. At 3+ million they only sold 60% of their plan.
They're sticking to it apparently - https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-new...on-following-marvels-avengers-release-2811447
 

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Give it to Sony, Marvel might as well beg Sony to take more IP's when they see 1 game exclusive to PS sells more than a multi platform
 

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Kamala herself isn't a problem whatsoever, she's a good character to add into the roster. Sucks that she replaced Hawkeye out of the "MCU" lineup, but they have a story reason for that so whatever.
The issue with Kamala is that she is a BLATANT SJW Pandering addition 'cause otherwise it's 6 white people saving the world and we just can't have that nowadays.

But it is a shame what happened with the game. It could have been so much more. The base gameplay is a lot of fun, the combat is great. But repetitive environments, lack of enemy variety, lack of mission variety and a shockingly bad loot system just couldn't keep it going. I really hope they manage to turn it around 'cause I loved playing as all the characters, Hulk less so though tbh. It still has a lot of potential.
 
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I don't think that would fix it. The graphics and how many marvel played weren't there problem. At least to me.
 

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The game should not have been "Play as an Avenger". Instead it should have been "Make your own Avenger". Full Character customization (powers, look) would have made that game a massively successful GAAS for years to come.
 
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Your plan, while likely to work, especially the art style, is felled by one single law of the woke.

You cannot replace a non-white person with a white person, doubly so if the replacement is feminine. Corporate won’t have that. Think of the twitter complaints.
 
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Make characters look like 90s Marvel

Never gonna happen

Make the gameplay fun

Never gonna happen
 
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No.. Now watch these 2 steps.
1. add tag mechanic. ability to switch between characters or assist attack at any time, for even more combo creativity.(single player mode only)

2. Add comic book style filter to photo mode, and add your own captions with caption bubbles to the photo. Replay any part of story mode, or any mode, with your own take on it, comic wise. When you have a certain amount of fotos, you create a cover photo. Trade your version with online players, and receive ratings and rewards for them. (mic drop)

3. Make gear cosmetic creating your own look.

4. More boss fights to missions, and not just objective.

btw. I loved the game anyways.
 
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While I definitely agree that they should have gone more marvels Spiderman with the graphics, it’s too late to change that all now. Would need to save it for a sequel.

ms Marvel is an awesome character. You don’t have to be sexually attracted to every video game character. It would actually be weird if you were.

definitely agree with the monetization part.
 

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They need to put far more interesting enemies and bosses into the game and clean the title from all the bugs.
 

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LOL'd at "get rid of the realistic graphics that make the Avengers look like actors in a parody porn movie" because that's exactly what I thought when the game was first shown
 
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Step one: get rid of the realistic graphics that make the Avengers look like actors in a parody porn movie, just look at this shit.

Step two: replace the ugly little girl with lame powers Ms. Marvel....with the powerful and beautiful original Ms. Marvel

Step three: get rid of the microtransaction system but keep the game as a service (GaaS) by following what Capcom did with Monster Hunter World, adding a new avenger every few months with their unique story and outfits for a few bucks, there is a lot of cool characters that will keep this game alive for years.
Step one: I never got the porn parody vibes. I wish they would look and sound like the movies, but i know how cost prohibitive that is. Not a bad idea going cell shaded. But people (especially going by reading GAF threads) are obsessed with the most realistic bestest of all time graphics possible. If it was cell shaded, i guarantee people here would bitch "it looks like a kids game!" It's fine as is

Step two: why remove a character people might enjoy? I was familiar with her before this game thanks to comics and the like. I think she's a fun character and good conduit for people into this version of the world some may be not too familiar with. And we're getting Miss Marvel anyway. She was on a leaked character list that has so far been completely accurate. Let's just hope the game survives long enough for it to happen.

Step three: This is what they've been trying to do; adding a new avenger every few months as well as other content. They're just failing miserably at it at the moment

Names are bound by religion now?

I would hope not. Not race either. I have a Scottish first time, English middle, and Mexican surname. Names know no bounds is my point.

The game should not have been "Play as an Avenger". Instead it should have been "Make your own Avenger". Full Character customization (powers, look) would have made that game a massively successful GAAS for years to come.
They tried this with an X-Men game and it bombed hard. Game sucked but that's beside the point! 🤣


And the people who cry and throw toys out of the pram thinking everything is a "SJW agenda" or whatever, you crack me up. Kate and Hawkeye were planned as first DLC because it was meant to coincide and promote the release of his Disney+ series. It was a smart pick, at the time. But it was delayed, and it makes no sense to just abandon it when it's probably furthest along on development. They WERE going to announce Black Panther but then Chadwick Boseman died so they decided to delay instead of seeming like they were capitalizing on his death. I'm sure the plans were to get Bucky and Falcon when that series released, as well as Wanda and Vision, but they took on a task they weren't ready for.

I assume these same people think we're getting Black Panther strictly to fill a quota or black lives matter. Tinfoil hat people, i swear
 

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#2 never gonna happen..

No company deeply entrenched in sjw pandering nonsense will ever allow a woman to resemble a woman.
 
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