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[Boss Mog]

Just stay the course, don't go trying some bullshit. Just continue to make good games and advancing VR. Oh, and try to give us a 60fps option in all PS5 games.

 

[Zephir]

They just need to do the PS4 all over again and erase the idiocies:

-backward compatibility for all generations
-full cross-play
-drop the stupid kind of censorship, not the justified one
-stop announcing games when they're more than 2 years away
-buy the IP and make a new Tombi/Croc

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

They won't.

 

[Bryank75]

Europe, Middle East and most of the rest of the world is pretty much sewn up, PlayStation is a very strong brand in these regions and Nintendo has cornered out their niche.
Most people I know (that are into games) get a PlayStation and a Nintendo for a given generation, then there are a few that always have a Rig also.

What PlayStation need to do is stop censoring for no good reason.

Try to add backward compatibility (most important for PS4 games.)

Try and emulate the atmosphere of E3 2016 for announcements, which IMO was their best ever.

Get the games right: GOWII, Spider-man II, Horizon II, Bloodborne II, Uncharted and some new IP's

Bring 'Gifting' to the PS store.

Get Sackboy avatars on the home screen and a type of hybrid between PS Home and LBP, where you can buy costumes and paraphernalia, chat and play levels to get rewards in co-op.

One or two smart acquisitions... I don't know what the best fit would be but I would suggest buying Capcom, they are relatively cheap and have some incredible IP's. The other would be From, now that they have built up such a loyal cohort that really play the games religiously... buy them and make all their games exclusive.

Sony music is now the biggest music publisher and owner in the world, they should launch a service where streamers can play music on stream for a monthly subscription fee. This could be integrated into direct streaming from the console, making it very simple.

Otherwise, they need to keep focused on the home console market and not follow what Nintendo has been doing. They need to make sure their controller has decent battery-life and durability.

Continue to support 'no drm' and disc-based game sales.

 

[Rodolink]

Doesn't need more powerfull hardware.
- Death stranding is a full exclusive

Yeah my bad I forgot about it, was in the tram XD
But I do believe that in THIS next iteration they would need a better hardware to win or at least a close gap. Because Microsoft will surely deliver more power either with the use of cloud computing or in hardware idk its just my forecast.

 

[DS_Joost]

Unlike MS, all they gotta do is go on just the way they do now. Release the most powerful console, don't price it into the heavens, and keep pumping out those exclusives. Snatching up 2K wouldn't hurt either, propably.

I strongly believe that that is what made the PS4 succesful. It just had the games and the hardware all for a good price.

People are thinking way too difficult here. Most people buying a console only do so to play the next FIFA, COD or Madden on these things. The only question should be which place is the best to play these on...

The exclusives come afterwards, and if those are good too you might as well have just won a generation.

 

[ethomaz]

With games... it is all about games.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Dual-handed Controllers that spilt into two single handed controllers is the only thing that’s needs to be done.

•will elimate move controllers
•fire start a wave of couch gaming
•make customization easy.

p.s. a super clean ui needed

 

[ANIMAL1975]

I think the most important factor to start of next generation as strong as this one is, once again, that right price/power balance that did magic after the crazy PS3 launch price. Full retro with ps4 is a must to, psOne and 2 (and maybe 3? ) would be the cherry on top. Maintaining/increasing the VR support and making it affordable to the masses, will be the differentiating point, hardware wise.
And last but not least, i agree with you and everyone that mentioned the new studios acquisition as a factor. I think it's very important too to increase the exclusives output next gen, diminish the time lapse between their launch and strengthen its variety. Obligatory acquisitions _ a good already established fps/multiplayer studio with the know how and good track (Bungie?), a good JRPG studio like Level 5, and a good... Evolution Studio lol, bring back Motostorm and Motostorm talent Sony! Polyphonys one game per generation is not going to be enough in racers

 

[bitbydeath]

Sony music is now the biggest music publisher and owner in the world, they should launch a service where streamers can play music on stream for a monthly subscription fee. This could be integrated into direct streaming from the console, making it very simple.

I’d switch easy from Spotify if the content was there and it were like half as cheap due to a PS+ subsidy.

Vue should get the same treatment.

 

[FranXico]

I’d switch easy from Spotify if the content was there and it were like half as cheap due to a PS+ subsidy.

Vue should get the same treatment.

Keep in mind, they used to offer such a service and shut it down, when they started integrating Spotify in the PS4.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

first off, there is no way microsoft is being nearly as bonehead next gen. they have a few more studios now (1 more than sony actually.)

This is the part I am not sure of, MS has been pretty bad at letting their studios work, they constantly mis manage talent, have been for a long time too... If they are as pushy as they were in the past they will keep releasing good enough games, at best, but never anything ground breaking (like Sony has been for the last... Well since they have been releasing games).

The thing is that after the Xbox 360 A LOT of PS3 owners were looking into switching to the ms ecosystem - the 360 had a pretty good run, especially early on, it ran most third party games better than the ps3, etc. This was my case, as was the case for many gamers in my circle, now the lower than expected specs broke one of these arguments, the worse OS broke another, and the focus on kinect/drm made the platform toxic in a way... Now, I don't see the Sony clients looking around for an option. So unless there is some real, tangible benefit, I don't see people switching for the sake of it, but I think that the ps4 will be "good enough" for the foreseeable future, many won't ever want to upgrade.

As for the Sony console sales, I agree that they will need to

 

[Leonidas]

With competition from Google and a reignited Xbox division, I'm not sure how PS5 could surpass PS4, unless the console market grows(this gen saw a huge decline).

 

[bitbydeath]

Keep in mind, they used to offer such a service and shut it down, when they started integrating Spotify in the PS4.

They never subsidised costs through PS+ though.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Cds made development easier on the PSX, but it wasn't a new thing and was already a popular medium when it came out, plus, it wasn't used the same way as DVD with the Ps2, no one was buying the PSX as a CD-player or VCD player in droves.

The PS3 also was nothing like the PS2, Blu-Rays only success, under questionable means, was beating HD DVD, after that Blu-Ray struggled and hindered the PS3 badly. People were not lining up buying a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player not even a 5th as much peoole were buying a Ps2 as a DVD player.

Blu-Ray was detrimental, it wasn't good for games then and got many complaints, especially on laser issues, freezing, and installs, it cost Sony a ton and the system wasnt selling enough to off set losses, it caused Sony to implode, cut divisions, sell buildings, restructure, layoff hundreds of thousands over that period, and basically still haven't made up those losses today going the original Xbox route and writing it as a permanent loss.

PS5, it wont have anything introduced with it, Microsoft and Google have streaming and the former has 4k Bluray.

The only thing to differentiate the PS5 out the gate is launching with gen 2 VR, but formats are out of the question. It seems Sony knows this as they are slowing down their streaming build-up and putting a good amount of focus on VR as well instead of trying to out race MS and Google.

Question is, is VR enough. There's already a hint of hype burn-out and stagnation now. The excitement won't be as high if it's not wireless and less weighty. Not to mention the competition is already heading to consoles soon in one way or another.

Maybe bring back 3D through VR? Could be interesting.

 

[AstroRhino]

I don't think they need to surpass the PS4 ...it's a difficult system to improve on tbh.

Beyond the normal step up in graphical fidelity, they just need some incremental improvements, nothing drastic.

From a PR point of view, BC for PS4 games (at least) is a must though.!

The best thing Sony can do is keep making great games... that will truly define success or failure in the next generation, as it has in this.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

With competition from Google and a reignited Xbox division, I'm not sure how PS5 could surpass PS4, unless the console market grows(this gen saw a huge decline).

I wouldn't call Wii lightning fading a "decline" more of a "stabilization" imo. A lot of the market last gen was artificial.

 

[Ar¢tos]

One thing Sony already does well and doesn't get enough credit for is localisations. Their 1st party titles have the best localisations in the gaming industry, regarding amount of languages and quality of voice acting.

 

[Gamernyc78]

first off, there is no way microsoft is being nearly as bonehead next gen. they have a few more studios now (1 more than sony actually.) and they have changed a bit. they will certainly sell more xboxes next gen

Google is also incoming and we have the switch that will still do well into the launch of ps5. corporations always want growth and what not. how will sony manage to sell more consoles next gen?.

I was thinking they should try to cement their self in China and they are doing that. but also support the Japanese development especially exclusive JRPGs 'n what not.

what do you think? level 5 is struggling right now would acquiring them be a good move ? I think it might be for japan. they are one of the top 5 devs in japan.

while unconfirmed. pretty much its universally agreed upon that next gen consoles are launching in 2020. console launches are usually a big deal for the company as well. as we saw with PS4 Sony acquired a cloud streaming service to build PS Now. what is their next big move?

Simple keep providing great exclusives tht bring ppl in (Sony is OK with studios especially with bigger ones that have two to three teams and still outputting 90 plus meta games), grow their streaming service (they were smart to have the jump on everyone else) and come out with an evolved PSVR headset with better specs. Microsoft is their competitor and soon Google but Sony brand recognition is just too much for Microsoft to overtake. It's a fact that even coming out a year later, at a way higher price when Ps3 released it was still outselling xbox360 worldwide. If they couldn't come out with a clear win then, then it'll be very difficult for Microsoft no matter what.

 

[rəddəM]

Cds made development easier on the PSX, but it wasn't a new thing and was already a popular medium when it came out, plus, it wasn't used the same way as DVD with the Ps2, no one was buying the PSX as a CD-player or VCD player in droves.

The PS3 also was nothing like the PS2, Blu-Rays only success, under questionable means, was beating HD DVD, after that Blu-Ray struggled and hindered the PS3 badly. People were not lining up buying a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player not even a 5th as much peoole were buying a Ps2 as a DVD player.

Blu-Ray was detrimental, it wasn't good for games then and got many complaints, especially on laser issues, freezing, and installs, it cost Sony a ton and the system wasnt selling enough to off set losses, it caused Sony to implode, cut divisions, sell buildings, restructure, layoff hundreds of thousands over that period, and basically still haven't made up those losses today going the original Xbox route and writing it as a permanent loss.

PS5, it wont have anything introduced with it, Microsoft and Google have streaming and the former has 4k Bluray.

The only thing to differentiate the PS5 out the gate is launching with gen 2 VR, but formats are out of the question. It seems Sony knows this as they are slowing down their streaming build-up and putting a good amount of focus on VR as well instead of trying to out race MS and Google.

Question is, is VR enough. There's already a hint of hype burn-out and stagnation now. The excitement won't be as high if it's not wireless and less weighty. Not to mention the competition is already heading to consoles soon in one way or another.

Maybe bring back 3D through VR? Could be interesting.

Please tell me you're not the guy from the Blu-ray thread and you that you didn't just bring it up here.
Blu-ray is not the devil. CDs and DVDs are in the past, move on.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Please tell me you're not the guy from the Blu-ray thread and you that you didn't just bring it up here.
Blu-ray is not the devil. CDs and DVDs are in the past, move on.

Did you read The post? It's not a hate thing it's a fact, BR hindered the PS3 and hurt Sony financially, it also caused numerous game issues as well in the first few years.

The OP is comparing the BR of the PS3 to the amount of people buying a PS2 for DVD. No one did that a 5th as much for the PS3. In fact PS2 is the only time people brought a Sony consoles just for a format is large droves.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Did you read The post? It's not a hate thing it's a fact, BR hindered the PS3 and hurt Sony financially, it also caused numerous game issues as well in the first few years.

The OP is comparing the BR of the PS3 to the amount of people buying a PS2 for DVD. No one did that a 5th as much for the PS3. In fact PS2 is the only time people brought a Sony consoles just for a format is large droves.

Jesus Christ. How many times do you insist on repeating this total and utter bullshit? There is not a shred of truth to this statement. The only measure by which bluray is a failure is when it is compared to DVD. That is really truly the only metric.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Please tell me you're not the guy from the Blu-ray thread and you that you didn't just bring it up here.
Blu-ray is not the devil. CDs and DVDs are in the past, move on.

There is no point. He continues for reasons that are beyond anyone's comprehension to beat this drum of "bluray ruined everything." It is pure and utter FUD and has no basis in reality. He has been banned several times because every time he gets called on his BS, he resorts to name calling.

 

[MDSLKTR]

Spiderman 2 and GoW 2 will be major events like halo 2 was back in the day or gta5. Along with rdr2, I've never seen games that transcended the media and monopolised social network talk like that last year. They could technically coast on only those but of course they won't.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Jesus Christ. How many times do you insist on repeating this total and utter bullshit? There is not a shred of truth to this statement. The only measure by which bluray is a failure is when it is compared to DVD. That is really truly the only metric.

You are denying BR hindered the PS3 yet it was one of the primary reasons for $599, large money losses that resulted in restructuring, early PS3s having laser issues, and multi game installs.

You say these facts arent true when you have no facts your self, no one that actually owned a PS3 is going to agree with you and deny these never hapoened, they did.

Of course you never owned one so how would you know that?

 

[ANIMAL1975]

One thing Sony already does well and doesn't get enough credit for is localisations. Their 1st party titles have the best localisations in the gaming industry, regarding amount of languages and quality of voice acting.

Yes! Very much this! Obrigado Sony we appreciate your support.

 

[base]

The 4k generation is coming.







Ups, I meant PS6 in 2040.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

You are denying BR hindered the PS3 yet it was one of the primary reasons for $599, large money losses that resulted in restructuring, early PS3s having laser issues, and multi game installs.

You say these facts arent true when you have no facts your self, no one that actually owned a PS3 is going to agree with you and deny these never hapoened, they did.

Of course you never owned one so how would you know that?

False! I actually bought a PS3 in 2007 and found the bluray feature to be the best addition. I bought Resistance Fall of Man, Both Pirates of the films on Blu and Casino Royale and they were absolutely breathtaking.

 

[chinoXL]

outside of the lack of crossplay Sony murdered it this gen...its there's for the taking again if they just continue what they did with the 4...if they can have the backward compatibility that would be dope (its not a make or break feature but would be nice to have) with their exclusives i'm always gonna buy a PS so they will always get a sale from me..better VR would also do well for it to help grow the VR scene..having that wow factor can lure some people in since MS isn't focused on adding it

 

[JohnnyFootball]

outside of the lack of crossplay Sony murdered it this gen...its there's for the taking again if they just continue what they did with the 4...if they can have the backward compatibility that would be dope (its not a make or break feature but would be nice to have) with their exclusives i'm always gonna buy a PS so they will always get a sale from me..better VR would also do well for it to help grow the VR scene..having that wow factor can lure some people in since MS isn't focused on adding it

I disagree with this. Last gen it wasn't a big deal, but with such a high percentage of games being digital purchases, it becomes a much bigger deal. BC is a much bigger deal now that before. Thankfully them staying with AMD should make this much easier to implement.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

False! I actually bought a PS3 in 2007 and found the bluray feature to be the best addition. I bought Resistance Fall of Man, Both Pirates of the films on Blu and Casino Royale and they were absolutely breathtaking.

Your personal opinion is irrelevant laser issues DID happen, game installs DID happen, it causing Sony financial woes DID happen.

Take your fanboy goggles off, why are you pretending these things didnt happen? Because it certainly seems like you didn't have a PS3 if you're going to double down on pretending everything was rosy.

Next youll say giant enemy crabs and $599 didnt happen either because "Casino Royale looked good" which honestly had nothing to do with the conversation. Movies looking good has nothing to do with console issues and financial bleeding, but nice deflection though.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

False! I actually bought a PS3 in 2007 and found the bluray feature to be the best addition. I bought Resistance Fall of Man, Both Pirates of the films on Blu and Casino Royale and they were absolutely breathtaking.

Mine was Resistance two Dualshock and Casino Royal.... And couldn't leave the store with out burning another 39,99 (if I'm not mistaken) on the PS3 BR remote lol
But never had a laser dying on me.

 

[Ar¢tos]

My ps3 is still my favorite media machine, and it's used everyday for Netflix, occasionally for Dvds/blurays or YouTube.

 

[Senhua]

It will never.
- More competition than when ps4 released (Wii U and Xone)
- Will sold like shit in Japan comparably with PS4
- All Niche Japanese doujin games and VN which more tailored for Otaku (Vita target market) will all gone to Switch

 

[Freeman454]

Fun games to play that aren't movies in disguise.

That and the 30fps with dips disaster, a quiter/cooler system and no low-end hw at launch. Raytracing would be nice too.

 

[AlexxKidd]

is that it? i mean thats fine and all but what is the big selling point? games are obviously thats a given but they won't be the only one with games

ps1 selling point, cd player. ps2, dvd player, ps3 was the blu ray player. ps4 was the fact that microsoft went ape shit. and ps5? whats that gonna be?.

 

[EDMIX]

MS now wants to be a service it means xbox lost its unique value, if people want a MS game they can buy a PC, if they want PS5 exclusive they will buy a PS5, Ms is only helping PC, on PC Steam is king

This.

This is one of the biggest reasons I feel this idea of Sony worrying about MS is sorta silly. Sony very much sees that MS as a company is looking for their software moving better units on MORE devices vs creating exclusives.

Some either don't want to see it or admit it, or don't factor it in. This is a MAJOR thing, its MS saying they are not in the game of creating exclusives anymore, they are basically a 3rd party developer. So as someone that owns a PS console and gaming PC, MS has given me zero reason to buy a XB, in fact they've given me more and more reason to just keep my PC (or upgrade for next gen), so MS may have sold me on a few titles based on those purchases they made, but they haven't sold me on buying a XB next gen, but maybe that is the point of what MS is doing now. They can't move the same units as Sony on home console, they've tried for 3 generations and clearly this is a thing Sony knows like no other. They can't move to the handheld space as Nintendo has pushed even Sony out of that lol. What MS can do is leverage the PC market, but this means leaving behind this exclusive concept, which clearly will mean less XB sales. This makes sense for MS exact situation, but I see MS going further as its likely those rumors on MS looking to put titles on Switch could very much be true and I think its just the beginning of them moving to other platforms and going 100% 3rd party.

TLDR

This will leave the market even more to Sony, they will make PS5 clearly with titles you can only find on PS5 vs Switch, PC, phones etc. Someone like me has ZERO reasons to buy a XB next gen, I'll just do my same set up next gen PS5 and a gaming PC.

 

[DanielsM]

This.

This is one of the biggest reasons I feel this idea of Sony worrying about MS is sorta silly. Sony very much sees that MS as a company is looking for their software moving better units on MORE devices vs creating exclusives.

Some either don't want to see it or admit it, or don't factor it in. This is a MAJOR thing, its MS saying they are not in the game of creating exclusives anymore, they are basically a 3rd party developer. So as someone that owns a PS console and gaming PC, MS has given me zero reason to buy a XB, in fact they've given me more and more reason to just keep my PC (or upgrade for next gen), so MS may have sold me on a few titles based on those purchases they made, but they haven't sold me on buying a XB next gen, but maybe that is the point of what MS is doing now. They can't move the same units as Sony on home console, they've tried for 3 generations and clearly this is a thing Sony knows like no other. They can't move to the handheld space as Nintendo has pushed even Sony out of that lol. What MS can do is leverage the PC market, but this means leaving behind this exclusive concept, which clearly will mean less XB sales. This makes sense for MS exact situation, but I see MS going further as its likely those rumors on MS looking to put titles on Switch could very much be true and I think its just the beginning of them moving to other platforms and going 100% 3rd party.

TLDR

This will leave the market even more to Sony, they will make PS5 clearly with titles you can only find on PS5 vs Switch, PC, phones etc. Someone like me has ZERO reasons to buy a XB next gen, I'll just do my same set up next gen PS5 and a gaming PC.

Nice post, generally agree there.

The console wars are for the most part over, at least what has been going on over the last 20 years. Microsoft will continue to move customers first to digital from physical media, eventually setting them up for cloud/virtual processing. If they announce the ability to play Xbox games on PC, what they have done is basically jailbroke their own hardware, to a degree. Although, Xbox users will probably have additional new hardware to choice from, you're (Xbox console user) basically hamstringing yourself if the big 3rd party decide not to target Xbox Two going forward, which I would suspect is a very possible situation. Xbox users should be making the jump to PC if they are interested in those exclusive and want to play natively, imo.

Microsoft is basically:
- jailbreaking their own hardware by giving Win10 users the ability to play Xbox games on PC
- this in turn, might very well give the big publishers/devs reason to just release win32 for PC at that point -> limited reason to target Xbox Two
- if they move additional Xbox exclusives to other platforms i.e. Steam, Switch, cloud, etc, again less reason to buy Xbox hardware
- Xbox sales suck already and are moving to the horrible stage, so they're writing themselves out of the equation either way

Basically Microsoft is more or less just another developer at this point, I agree, sure they're the Win10 environment maker but that's open and they're going to have to compete with the other big publishers/devs there. I welcome Microsoft to release good games on the platforms I use, but no interest in any of their platforms or Stores, generally speaking.

Sony and Nintendo should in theory gain customers, at least for traditional dedicated home and handheld markets going forward. One less platform to worry about.

 

[Jigsaah]

first off, there is no way microsoft is being nearly as bonehead next gen. they have a few more studios now (1 more than sony actually.) and they have changed a bit. they will certainly sell more xboxes next gen

Google is also incoming and we have the switch that will still do well into the launch of ps5. corporations always want growth and what not. how will sony manage to sell more consoles next gen?.

I was thinking they should try to cement their self in China and they are doing that. but also support the Japanese development especially exclusive JRPGs 'n what not.

what do you think? level 5 is struggling right now would acquiring them be a good move ? I think it might be for japan. they are one of the top 5 devs in japan.

while unconfirmed. pretty much its universally agreed upon that next gen consoles are launching in 2020. console launches are usually a big deal for the company as well. as we saw with PS4 Sony acquired a cloud streaming service to build PS Now. what is their next big move?

#1. Don't get cocky. Sony needs to play this as if they were dead last this gen. Be humble and think of what your consumers want first.

#2. Don't get stuck in the past. Crossplay needs to happen, BC must happen and Sony needs to morph into a platform. To what degree is something still to be determined, but it is the future.

#3. Nail the price: $400 PS5, no exceptions.

#4. you don't have to be as consumer friendly as Microsoft, but lighten up a bit. The censoring, the lack of crossplay, PSNow being not as generous as Gamepass are things to consider adjusting. Sony exclusive day 1 available on PSNow would explode the internet. Literally it would decimate pretty much any advantage Microsoft has except power.

 

[MayauMiao]

I think it will not be possible for the PS5 to surpass PS4. Young gamers are switching to mobile games and the rise of game streaming.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

ive been hearing the console wars are over for 20 years, the console wars will never be over.

 

[EDMIX]

MS is still way behind Sony and google is just the beginning. Sucess for playstation is locked as long as they don't fuck it up.

The problem is not ps5, but what comes next after it.

Agreed. Even if we take a wild guess, Sony still ends up with PS5 having a solid victory.



1. MS is pretty much 3rd party, if you are making games on PC and Switch (rumored) while saying they want games on ALL devices, you 3rd party, regardless of how anyone slices it, its less reason to NEED a XB to play something.

2. NEW IP, the thing I think most know Sony for is allowing their team the freedom to make something new almost every gen like clockwork. They have a few teams that might be due in for a new IP, Naughty Dog comes to mind first, the other half of Guerrilla Games, Sony Japan etc. One thing we can count on, is something we haven't see before becoming some big series by Sony and they've done it enough that buying a PS isn't really JUST for games you KNOW they make, it could be for something NO ONE knew they would make....that is a massive deal. You can say no to Gears before the next XB comes out, you can say no to Mario before the next Nintendo handheld comes out, you can't really say no to an IP you've never heard of and Sony goes all in on new IPs.

3. Established IP, Sony has built up a amazing arsenal of ace IP, these sequels could 100% happen and move massive units. Horizon Zero Dawn 2, Death Stranding 2, Uncharted 5, GT7, Bloodborne 2, InFamous 4, The Getaway 3 etc


TLDR
1. Nintendo is making handhelds and MS is pretty much 3rd party, means more home console market for Sony.

2. New IP brings in NEW customers. Never mind how you feel about PS today, you nor I know not of what series Sony will make next gen, which means they can convert many without preconceived ideas about what to expect. Only expect something you didn't see last gen by some of their teams lol

3. Established IP, they have a lot of series that they can pull from 100 million had no issue buying a PS to play.

 

[DanielsM]

ive been hearing the console wars are over for 20 years, the console wars will never be over.

What's a console? If were talking a traditional dedicated gaming console, its (war) over right now and basically has been for quite a while - look at all the devices that exist in the world now. I guess that could change one day, absolutely, not sure I envision that but its possible - so many different types of devices I couldn't even count at this point. Nintendo came up with the hybrid, Microsoft is going full service, eventually digital and cloud processing. I guess Nintendo and Sony could go at it more but nothing else is really going on. Microsoft is just another 3rd party developer at this time, they're writing themselves out of the story (consoles), generally speaking.

Which is why Xbox's PR person is showing off his Switch game collection. Same thing they did with Windows Phone, look at all these new Windows Phone features, btw, all these features (services) are on iOS/Android as well.... as Nadella pulls his iOS phone out of his pocket to show everyone. Generally, the hardware is optional and maybe immaterial.

 

[Diddy X]

That would require for both MS and Nintendo to screw up AGAIN... not very likely.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

I've also heard MS is going third party for 15 years, that hasn't happened either.

I also love people believing Microsoft is removing the walled garden, all their "any device" moves still have locked gardens it's just spread out more, many people are still going to be forced to buy Xbox consoles, Microsoft isn't stupid they are underhanded and clever as usual. They always have some scheme in the works.

 

[chinoXL]

I disagree with this. Last gen it wasn't a big deal, but with such a high percentage of games being digital purchases, it becomes a much bigger deal. BC is a much bigger deal now that before. Thankfully them staying with AMD should make this much easier to implement.

i agree with your reason, i should have specified that a casual consumer probably wouldn't be so hype about this as ppl like us that pay attention to these details. some of my friends barely go back to last gen games once the shiny new system comes out

 

[DanielsM]

I've also heard MS is going third party for 15 years, that hasn't happened either.

I also love people believing Microsoft is removing the walled garden, all their "any device" moves still have locked gardens it's just spread out more, many people are still going to be forced to buy Xbox consoles, Microsoft isn't stupid they are underhanded and clever as usual. They always have some scheme in the works.

They basically are at this point, you'll see all of their services on other devices and probably expansion to other devices as well with natively playing, not sure what you think third party is.... you're already there.
They're basically jailbreaking their own device, I'm not sure how anyone would see it otherwise. If I can play my PS4 games natively on my PC, without buying PS4 or buying a service - I would say that is jailbreaking it, not sure what the difference is.

At this point, they might as well just put full win10 on there (XOne) or the ability to play win32 on your Xbox One.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

They basically are at this point, you'll see all of their services on other devices and probably expansion to other devices as well with natively playing, not sure what you think third party is.... you're already there.
They're basically jailbreaking their own device, I'm not sure how anyone would see it otherwise. If I can play my PS4 games natively on my PC, without buying PS4 or buying a service - I would say that is jailbreaking it, not sure what the difference is.

At this point, they might as well just put full win10 on there (XOne) or the ability to play win32 on your Xbox One.

You really don't understand the plan is all. Xbox sales wont be effected.

The walled garden is still there, but you're not seeing that. The buzzwords like "play anywhere" have got you thinking it's not about hardware. Oh that's not the case, even The new versions of Windows coming up will aid keeping the walls up.

 

[DanielsM]

You really don't understand the plan is all. Xbox sales wont be effected.

The walled garden is still there, but you're not seeing that. The buzzwords like "play anywhere" have got you thinking it's not about hardware. Oh that's not the case, even The new versions of Windows coming up will aid keeping the walls up.

You're basically saying they are jailbreaking their own hardware and offering it elsewhere, haha. The console itself is irrelevant, I understand exactly what's going on... they're telling everyone. Sure their is a walled garden i.e. digitally either on their own service, Steam, MS Store, etc. the issue is its no longer walled off on hardware i.e. console. No reason for the console to exist, generally speaking.

There is limited reason why the big 3rd parties would target Xbox Two, as they can just target Win32 and sell on their own launcher or via their current distribution channels like they do today on PC. Most of the reasons to own a console for them is going away. Nobody is saying there isn't a walled garden, its just the wall isn't on the console, its in whatever garden you want it to be on PC.

 

[ZywyPL]

Probably won't. PS4 success was based solely on 100$ cheaper hardware, that's what set them up for entire generation, so if rumors abut MS releasing one cheap and one premium console at a time turn out to be true, while PS5 will be positioned somewhere in the middle, then I don't see much reason for people for getting the PS5.

The exclusives are barely existent, especially compared to PS3's amazing, broad library, they closed/sold most of their 1st party studios, and the ones that are still left need 4-5 years to release a single game. That being said, I expect PS5 launch titles to be cross-gen games anyway, that will be available on already owned PS4s/Pros, so again, not much of a reason for people to jump onto newer hardware. This entire generation was completely dominated by 3rd party games, so whoever will offer the cheaper hardware that plays them will be the most successful.

MS is very open about their next-gen plans, they are heavily investing into 1st party studios, building infrastructure and services towards for the upcoming generation, offering their games on other platforms, while Sony is dead silent, they're even skipping E3 this year, so there are two extreme options here - either they will drop some serious, and I do mean SERIOUS megatons on their PSX event at the end of the year, or they've been caught off guard due to their arrogance and really have not much to offer. However, one of Sony's exec once said in the interview they believe in hard reset with each generation start, cutting off from older hardware, and focusing solely on the new platform to squeeze the most of it, which I agree is the proper approach, but like I said - who's going to make those games? There's not many teams left, and the over-the-shoulder, narrative driven TLoU formula is already becoming oversaturated, not to say boring And the MP on Sony's part has been pretty much dead because of that formula. So yeah, Sony will IMO have a really hard time once next-gen starts, unless as mentioned, they have some serious surprises in their pocket.