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How will they make an Xbox Series X PRO with the S?
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zomboden
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Series S $199.99 (same as launch model)
Xbox Series X Slim (smaller more cost efficient chip, slimmed down box) $399.99
Xbox Pro System (Beefy, power hungry, enthusiast console) $499.99-599.99
I dont think we're getting pro models this generation though. And I do not think Microsoft wants to stop supporting the Series S. It would be look bad on them.
Xbox Series X Slim (smaller more cost efficient chip, slimmed down box) $399.99
Xbox Pro System (Beefy, power hungry, enthusiast console) $499.99-599.99
I dont think we're getting pro models this generation though. And I do not think Microsoft wants to stop supporting the Series S. It would be look bad on them.
REDRZA MWS
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Thats kinda exactly my point. the SX has more power, and 2TF is nothing tonexactly sneeze at. The differences in games isnt necessarily doentonmore “power” currently but by the state of development and developers all arlund. Hell PC ports with high end specs run like shit. I sont see any poont in “pro’ versions this gen. Sony amd MS should concentrate on maling greay games, then intosuce the next gen a bit sooner.
FrankWza
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They have to release a pro if PlayStations is planning to. A mid-gen soft relaunch with a delayed and flawless Starfield would be huge. They could just pay for some 3rd party gp day one games until then and come out with a monster pro console that they lose money on. If I was in the xbox ecosystem and subbed to gp this is what I would demand and expect from them after the last 10 years. It wouldn't square things but it's a grand gesture.Microsoft probably isn't developing a Pro version lol
Sony will split Ps5 between PS5 (detachable Drive) and PS5 Pro (Also Detachable), only 2 Skus.
Microsoft strategy is already a mess between S & X, let alone a Y LMAO
JUST PUREShow... whoever make the S decision Big facepalm.
Ronin_7
Member
Actually they don't but they sure should.
DenchDeckard
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Turn the series s into a portable ASAP and introduces a series X Pro would be an absolutely great play from them.
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They realllly shouldn’t add any more platform for devs to support.
Microsoft already have a problem with third parties, and in sony having the upper hand with third party deals. Adding an Xpro or even worse an X and S pro will only make things worse.
And 80/20 split is pretty common for third party software sales between PS/Xbox. Hell hogwartz was 83% of all sales (ps5,xbox,pc) were on the ps5.
Xbox have a demand that any game release needs to support both series X and S, with feature parity. You NEED to release on both. If they make pro versions that will be 4 platforms devs need to release on to address only 20% of their sales. At which point you start wondering if it’s worth it, and it makes it even easier for Sony to come knocking with an exclusivity offer.
Microsoft already have a problem with third parties, and in sony having the upper hand with third party deals. Adding an Xpro or even worse an X and S pro will only make things worse.
And 80/20 split is pretty common for third party software sales between PS/Xbox. Hell hogwartz was 83% of all sales (ps5,xbox,pc) were on the ps5.
Xbox have a demand that any game release needs to support both series X and S, with feature parity. You NEED to release on both. If they make pro versions that will be 4 platforms devs need to release on to address only 20% of their sales. At which point you start wondering if it’s worth it, and it makes it even easier for Sony to come knocking with an exclusivity offer.
They dug their own hole by making series S which isnt that popular outside of xbox core areas (mainly US).
Now they cant drop it, and now they cant support it + x + pro, as good as they would support only x + pro.
they cant win and gamers cant win.
My friend have been trying to sell complete in box series S for 4 weeks now, low as 100€. So demand is super low, yet MS cant drop it anymore.
So there is no solution, that is easy. Sony can just release PRO model if they want, and easily port games between 2 SKUs, PRO with 4k+60-120fps support and PS5 like it is now.
Now they cant drop it, and now they cant support it + x + pro, as good as they would support only x + pro.
they cant win and gamers cant win.
My friend have been trying to sell complete in box series S for 4 weeks now, low as 100€. So demand is super low, yet MS cant drop it anymore.
So there is no solution, that is easy. Sony can just release PRO model if they want, and easily port games between 2 SKUs, PRO with 4k+60-120fps support and PS5 like it is now.
Draxon Gamer
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If I recall a president of Xbox or Microsoft said at launch the S would stick around as is the whole gen. I think a Pro S would defeat the whole purpose of it's existence.
ResilientBanana
Member
I take series as a linup.
Xbox Series Z (Pro)
Xbox Series X
Xbox Series S
Xbox Series C (Cloud)
Xbox Series Z (Pro)
Xbox Series X
Xbox Series S
Xbox Series C (Cloud)
AngelMuffin
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S $199
X $349
XP $549
X $349
XP $549
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SEGAvangelist
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I don't see how they can't support the S as long as Sony supports the base PS5. Sure the games will run at low resolutions and lower framerates in some cases but the CPU shouldn't be an issue. If they can somehow make the pivot to a portable S, that would be impressive.
spookyfish
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Interesting question — maybe the X is *already* the Pro.
Crayon
Member
SX won't be a very convincing pro if a ps5 pro comes out.
I agree it should have been at least strong enough for one x.
Aion002
Member
Maybe MS will start selling games via xcloud, so the Series S users will have the choice to stream games that will utilize the new Xbox capabilities.
Eventually even the Series X players will have to do the same. At least that's what I think MS is planning.
So as long as you have gamepass and has access to Xcloud, you will be able to play the newest games without the need to upgrade your console or even pc, this will also make things easier for the developers...
I think it will be something like:
New Xbox: 500 usd.
Series X: 300 usd.
Series S: 100 usd.
Eventually even the Series X players will have to do the same. At least that's what I think MS is planning.
So as long as you have gamepass and has access to Xcloud, you will be able to play the newest games without the need to upgrade your console or even pc, this will also make things easier for the developers...
I think it will be something like:
New Xbox: 500 usd.
Series X: 300 usd.
Series S: 100 usd.
sendit
Member
Yep. Developers are struggling due to the ram limitations of the Series S. Imagine having a third SKU to account for. The Series S is a product of short term gains.
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Codes 208
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Jokes aside i would be so fucking down for a xbox series D (d for deck)
sendit
Member
They won't phase out the S until this generation is over. It will get cheaper, but they won't phase it out.
ByWatterson
Member
I'm more interested in the garbage nomenclature.
Like....can we all stop and appreciate that we're in this stupid mess because they couldn't call it Xbox 2 and be a digit behind Playstation 3?
Like....can we all stop and appreciate that we're in this stupid mess because they couldn't call it Xbox 2 and be a digit behind Playstation 3?
Feel Like I'm On 42
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God damn that's depressing thought
I would like at least one True next gen game with Direct Storage, SFS n all that shit they advertised for this gen before we get middle gen upgrades
This brutforcing thru legacy tech shit(Tales Requiem, Jedi Survivor n ext) needs to be over.
For now industry n dev teams structured to work withing old production pipelines even when making NG only games, so we haven't seen what actually even Series S capable of no matter PSeriesX or High End PC's
This brutforcing thru legacy tech shit(Tales Requiem, Jedi Survivor n ext) needs to be over.
For now industry n dev teams structured to work withing old production pipelines even when making NG only games, so we haven't seen what actually even Series S capable of no matter PSeriesX or High End PC's
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Making games isn't enough to justify SIE existence. That's why it fought the Microsoft Activision merger so hard. Nintendo is the only one of the big 3 that makes it's money selling its own games. Neither Sony nor Microsoft own the big IP of the day.
scarlet0pimp
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If I was MS I would do a disk less series x relaunch and sell a disk addon for it so you get a smaller cheaper series X. Then release a more powerful series x pro which would simply be the same as the X but with higher clock speeds and all the RAM chips become 2Gb giving the full bandwidth and extra RAM.
Sereis S stay the same but allow it to work with the disk drive addon. Though I would like a Series S with extra RAM and higher clock speed but I feel that makes it a bit harder for devs
Sereis S stay the same but allow it to work with the disk drive addon. Though I would like a Series S with extra RAM and higher clock speed but I feel that makes it a bit harder for devs
zomboden
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I'm looking forward to the 50 TF pro consoles with 32gb of ram vs Series S gameplay comparisons on Digital Foundry. Or in 2027 when PS6/Xboxwhatever launches and there's still cross gen games. Series S vs 100+ TF 64gb of ram next generation consoles. Should be fun.
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thatJohann
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The development work of having 3 Xbox versions to optimize for will be a headache for developers. The Microsoft SDK has to make this super simple or Xbox is gonna be even more undesirable to code for.
Sony:
PS5 - powerful
PS5 Pro - even more powerful
Microsoft:
Xbox Series S - much weaker relative to the other consoles (this is the problem)
Xbox Series X - powerful
Xbox Series X Pro - even more powerful
Sony:
PS5 - powerful
PS5 Pro - even more powerful
Microsoft:
Xbox Series S - much weaker relative to the other consoles (this is the problem)
Xbox Series X - powerful
Xbox Series X Pro - even more powerful
01011001
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they would need to call it Series S Portable or something along these lines to reduce confusion tho
Gambit2483
Member
I still think Series S was a mistake. Any entryway benefits it may have are easily compromised by hampering game development, game sales and options for future hardware upgrades.
Codes 208
Member
I think the name Series Y would be more likely. MS know calling any other system by the same name as an existing series would in itself cause confusion. Thats why i dont think we’ll see a SX pro but rather a SZ or somethingthey would need to call it Series S Portable or something along these lines to reduce confusion tho
01011001
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well if the system is literally a Series S but in handheld form, it would be more confusing to not name it Series S Portable imo.
a handheld Xbox can only work if the system doesn't need any Developer support directly, as in, it simply plays Series S versions of Xbox X|S games.
and if it does that it would be easier to communicate to the customers "hey, this is the same as the Series S, but now on the go!"
Kokoloko85
Member
They should drop the S altogether now.
Reduce price on Series X and make an Xbox Series X Elite etc
Reduce price on Series X and make an Xbox Series X Elite etc
saintjules
Gold Member
Stare-Bear
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We will probably never find out but I love to know the split in sales between the S and X.
MarkMe2525
Gold Member
I think a lot of these ideas of what a XSX Pro needs to be are based on a false assumption of what a PS5 Pro would be. Computing power is no longer falling in cost, nor lowering it's power requirements as in decades past. I don't think a PS5 Pro is going to be a huge upgrade in raster capabilities, but will focus on internal SSD capacity, RT, and maybe ram/caches. I can imagine a small bump to raster performance, but nothing like a PS4 to PS4 Pro. Although, a crack in my theory is the fact that AMD has only shown the ability to increase RT performance through adding more compute units.
In this scenario, the path for MS to create a competing product doesn't have to rely on sourcing a 20-24tf GPU. Or maybe they do focus on raster to differentiate themselves from Sony. Like many, I'm just throwing shit at a wall and maybe some of it will stick.
In this scenario, the path for MS to create a competing product doesn't have to rely on sourcing a 20-24tf GPU. Or maybe they do focus on raster to differentiate themselves from Sony. Like many, I'm just throwing shit at a wall and maybe some of it will stick.
Codes 208
Member
Honestly i feel it was the s that kept ms gaming afloat, it was easy to find over a year before ps5 and xbx became widely available again
I dont think theyll be able to put that in hand-held form factor though, the steam deck is pushing around 2tflops (about half the processing power of the s) so itll likely be nerfed to some degree to make it affordable.
Not to say that wouldnt be a brilliant idea to convert it, but it’d likely be a yesr or several off before something like that is feasible….well, maybe?
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01011001
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Firstly, the Deck only reaches 1.6TF max.
BUT the new Asus ROG handheld and that new AMD chip it uses makes me think AMD is going hard on mobile hardware after seeing the demand for handheld PCs.
and if the performance increase for their low power mobile chips doesn't slow down, we should see Series S level handhelds on the market in 1 to 2 years.
Microsoft being a close partner with AMD could get chips that not only maybe sooner, but also cheaper.
AMD's Z1 Extreme can already perfom between PS4 and PS4 Pro from early tests with PC equivalent hardware, then I think Series S performance isn't far off.
The Steam Deck has 8 RDNA2 CUs,
the Z1 Extreme has 12 RDNA3 CUs,
for a portable Series S a chip would need 20CUs.
we're getting closer
I wouldn't be surprised to see an AMD Z2 Extreme in 18 months or so that's right there near the Series S
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Black_Stride
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As long as the RTX2060 and 3060 are still as high on the SteamSurvery as they are, porting down to Series S will still be a thing.
People with Series S arent sitting there crying about their games not hitting 4K.
As long as that memory constraint doesnt completely cripple games devs will keep porting down to it......result may vary but the people with Series Ss arent as anal about the performance of their console.....hell id argue even the average PS5/XSX owner doesnt care anywhere near as much as NeoGAF or Twitter would have you think.
If they can still play the "nextgen" games thats all that really matters, the resolution/framerate/settings differences between the Series S and XSX/PS5 are borderline irrelelvent.
If theres a tier above the Series X, then devs will still port down to the Series S until Microsoft EoLs the console.
People with Series S arent sitting there crying about their games not hitting 4K.
As long as that memory constraint doesnt completely cripple games devs will keep porting down to it......result may vary but the people with Series Ss arent as anal about the performance of their console.....hell id argue even the average PS5/XSX owner doesnt care anywhere near as much as NeoGAF or Twitter would have you think.
If they can still play the "nextgen" games thats all that really matters, the resolution/framerate/settings differences between the Series S and XSX/PS5 are borderline irrelelvent.
If theres a tier above the Series X, then devs will still port down to the Series S until Microsoft EoLs the console.
Gambit2483
Member
Maybe that was true in the beginning but as we move forward into the generation the S might just be one of its biggest liabilities.
- Games can't be too technical that they can't also run on the S. This could negatively affect game development ambitions as the generation continues.
- Overall game sales will be brought down by S owners as a large majority of them will be using it as their "Gamepass box".
- MS will be hard-pressed to create stronger stop gap hardware that now creates 3 if not 4 total SKUs to develop for.
But we'll see...I'm not optimistic though.
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cireza
Gold Member
I don't understand this argument when the large majority of developers already develop for PC. As soon as you are including PC, it becomes much more complicated than simply including Series S.
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