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I feel like all games on Steam are Early-Access now

Killer

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It seems you can barely find a new full release these days. I honestly think the whole alpha/beta testing should be on the dev website and the full release on Steam. It is flooded with early access games.

What do you guys think?
 

abtom

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It's quite exciting but at the same time annoying. I see an interesting game, I want to buy it, but then I realize it's still a work-in-progress. I'm simply not dropping $20 on an unfinished game.
 

Barzul

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It is kinda annoying. I think games should only make early access in beta, I get sick of seeing games in Alpha on Steam, kickstarter that shit.
 

Lingitiz

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There's a ton of games coming out on Steam in general, but I don't think early access games are an issue. I mean what's the alternative, the game doesn't show until it's officially released, or doesn't get finished because they need the early access funds to supplement more development.

If you don't want to deal with the shit, just ignore it and wait for release like most people. I personally like the option to buy into stuff like Starbound and Prison Architect as it develops.
 

Odrion

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If it means that the Holiday sale won't be filled with the same crap + a handful of new titles, then I welcome it.
 

markot

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I feel like they shouldn't have any. I don't want to see early access games on the front. Why would I want an incomplete game?

Cause lots of people dont mind buying games in beta and there is a warning telling you so?

You dont have to buy them all.
 

Orayn

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I feel like they shouldn't have any. I don't want to see early access games on the front. Why would I want an incomplete game?

Because early access is often cheaper than the game's launch price, allowing you to treat it as a preorder bouns. There's also the possibility of shaping the game's development through fan feedback.

Also, it's not like an official release date guarantees a game will be "complete." See Battlefield 4 for a recent example of alpha/beta software sold to consumers as a finished product.
 

Odrion

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It's quite exciting but at the same time annoying. I see an interesting game, I want to buy it, but then I realize it's still a work-in-progress. I'm simply not dropping $20 on an unfinished game.
You are now aware of the game, and you can now wait for the game to be finished.
 

Odrion

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Because early access is often cheaper than the game's launch price, allowing you to treat it as a preorder bouns.
Really? Because from what I've seen it's the other way around. Games being sold at really high prices, that high price acting as a premium to get in early / to weed out people who aren't 100% sure on what they're getting.
 

Lingitiz

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You are now aware of the game, and you can now wait for the game to be finished.

One of the reasons I like early access is because I can follow games and buy in when it sounds interesting. For example, right now Spacebase DF-9 seems a bit barebones, but if I read about a new big patch that adds a lot of new mechanics/features to it I might go out and buy it. I like having that option and ease of use to see that stuff.
 

SparkTR

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Then don't buy them, there's thousands of finished games on Steam that you can buy. I've been pretty much exclusively playing Assetto Corsa on Steam lately, and I don't give a shit if it's early access or not.
 

SapientWolf

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It is kinda annoying. I think games should only make early access in beta, I get sick of seeing games in Alpha on Steam, kickstarter that shit.
Early Access games no longer get placed in the New Releases section of the front page, so they're pretty easy to ignore. I think that it's better to have a place for betas and alphas on Steam than to pressure devs into releasing unfinished products to keep the doors open.
 

rrs

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It's a preorder, but you can get burned out of the game before release.

It is very annoying. I hate this new Minecraft model and I vote with my wallet.

It was even worse: tons of change of direction of the game's style, two competing versions of the game for a while, and selling at 10 euros for a skin and promise of something cool.
 
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I think they should be in a separate section that doesn't appear on the main front page. If nothing else, they shouldn't have sales, free weekend events, or any kind of big promotion in the main banner area, in my opinion.

I think it's nice that developers have the ability to do this, but they should not be treated like full releases, which they currently are aside from a small warning AFTER clicking through to the details page.

I can't count the number of times I've clicked on something that sounded interesting only to discover it's Early Access and super early to boot.
 

Alvarez

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I think it's tacky. QA should be left to QA testers, not consumers. We should not have to pay to beta test a game. Beta testers should be paid.

Devs not taking QA seriously is why every game these days is riddled with so many bugs at launch.
 

loganclaws

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Early Access games no longer get placed in the New Releases section of the front page, so they're pretty easy to ignore. I think that it's better to have a place for betas and alphas on Steam than to pressure devs into releasing unfinished products to keep the doors open.

Though in a way they are releasing unfinished products and taking your money. With no guarantees to top it off.
 

JaseC

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Really? Because from what I've seen it's the other way around. Games being sold at really high prices, that high price acting as a premium to get in early / to weed out people who aren't 100% sure on what they're getting.

If you look into the EA selection you'll see that it's the exception rather than the rule -- most of them are either cheaper than they will be upon release or already listed at their final prices.
 

SapientWolf

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Though in a way they are releasing unfinished products and taking your money. With no guarantees to top it off.
They're at least being honest about it, so the people that prefer polished, finished products can wait until the final launch. If they released the final game in beta condition then people would have a right to complain.

I actually enjoy betas more than the release sometimes, because the game changes so much that it feels fresh every time you play it. It's also great to see player input being translated into features.
 

WanderingWind

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I like the early release thing, but I agree that it's become too much of a focus on Steam's storefront. I hope they make a separate tabs that differenciates between full fledged releases, FtP and early access titles.
 

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I honestly don't mind it at all. They have a huge banner on top of their page which says they're early access, so if that bothers you then you can just not buy them until they're done. There could be a different grouping though; so perhaps change it to

New Releases | Top Sellers | On Special | Early Access
 

Spheyr

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It's nothing new. Now they just tell you the game's incomplete before you buy it. It used to be they'd sell it to you regardless and maybe patch it up later.
 
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Early Access games no longer get placed in the New Releases section of the front page, so they're pretty easy to ignore. I think that it's better to have a place for betas and alphas on Steam than to pressure devs into releasing unfinished products to keep the doors open.

They still get featured heavily everywhere else on the front page.

Right now, 5 of the 15 cycling front page banners are for Early Access games. 3 of 6 of the "Featured PC Games" are Early Access, too.

They also appear in the Top Sellers, which I'd reckon a lot of people look at more than the New Releases, and they also get placement in sales, such as the Weekend Deal and Today's Deal. I think they get way too much placement, even without appearing in the New Releases section.
 

denx

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Really? Because from what I've seen it's the other way around. Games being sold at really high prices, that high price acting as a premium to get in early / to weed out people who aren't 100% sure on what they're getting.

Those games are the exception, and are priced that high to match the Alpha/Beta access prices on their Kickstarters.

The vast majority of Early Access games are priced cheaper than their full releases.
 

Stumpokapow

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Enhanced Steam allows you to remove Early Access games from the new releases section, so this is a solveable problem. Anyone having this problem should just solve it now. http://www.enhancedsteam.com/. Even without Early Access, there are more games being released now than ever.

I am not convinced that there is a problem though. Since December 1st, 14 games have released on Early Access. 49 have released not on Early Access. There are only 100 Early Access games (by contrast there are 2350 not Early Access games). Also, all Early Access games will eventually not be Early Access games.
 

Killer

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Enhanced Steam allows you to remove Early Access games from the new releases section, so this is a solveable problem. Anyone having this problem should just solve it now. http://www.enhancedsteam.com/

I am not convinced that there is a problem though. Since December 1st, 14 games have released on Early Access. 49 have released not on Early Access. There are only 100 Early Access games (by contrast there are 2350 not Early Access games). Also, all Early Access games will eventually not be Early Access games.

Early access shouldn't be on featured items imo. They need to shove them under early access tab or page. Let the full releases get more exposure than alphas and betas.
 
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Early access games shouldn't appear on new releases, it let's you effectively release the game twice (be on the new releases list twice).
 

CecilRousso

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Early Access titles should be viewed in the same ways as you view a kickstarter project - buy the titles you want to support, from developers you trust. And ignore the rest.
 

jediyoshi

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It seems you can barely find a new full release these days. I honestly think the whole alpha/beta testing should be on the dev website and the full release on Steam. It is flooded with early access games.

What do you guys think?

The number of games released is increasing too. Are you implying the amount of finished games has gone down?

Why would I want an incomplete game?

You're on a gaming enthusiast message board and the concept of this actually eludes you?
 

Stumpokapow

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Early access shouldn't be on featured items imo. They need to shove them under early access tab or page. Let the full releases get more exposure than alphas and betas.

Sure but I just gave you the solution to the problem :p
 
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Enhanced Steam allows you to remove Early Access games from the new releases section, so this is a solveable problem. Anyone having this problem should just solve it now. http://www.enhancedsteam.com/. Even without Early Access, there are more games being released now than ever.

I am not convinced that there is a problem though. Since December 1st, 14 games have released on Early Access. 49 have released not on Early Access. There are only 100 Early Access games (by contrast there are 2350 not Early Access games). Also, all Early Access games will eventually not be Early Access games.

You are quite the optimist, aren't you?
 

Iseeyou

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I agree, its a shame what Steam has been reduced to and you can't filter it without using a third party app. its hard to find a full featured PC game these days, its just indie, early access and F2P games these days.