I have played Unity and I can't remember what the MTs were for as thy were trivial.
And yeah the multiple editions thing is not a good correlation
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I want to be angry about AC: Origins loot boxes before knowing if they're bad
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And yeah the multiple editions thing is not a good correlation
Audioboxer
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With the special editions, it's just the lengths Ubisoft goes to, to try and make soo many editions people end up confused as what to buy. When you need a chart to try and figure out what to buy it's a bit comical. It also aids against the argument some roll out of "$60 games are making rich publishers bankrupt! think of their bank balances! games need to cost $80~100 or the industry will fall!". Ubisoft has many options well over $60, and they don't even all include the season pass. Then even if you buy the top collectors editions, you still have helix MTs and loot boxes in your game. Even if you give Ubisoft more money upfront, they'll still slap monetization in your face in-game.
It's also the amount of exclusive SP content/cosmetics Ubisoft ties to separate multiple editions/pre-order bonuses, so you can never really buy the whole game, unless you buy multiple editions.
KungFucius
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I am not sure how this game will play, but the traditional free loot crates and collectibles in AC games were something I would ignore unless I was right on top of it. There was always way too much stuff to do during a 30 hour campaign that it made sense to ignore these extras.
Scrooge McDuck
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This is actually not true, at least for Assassin's Creed through Assassin's Creed: Black Flag. In every one, I just bought the Deluxe Edition and the Season Pass, and I got everything. I mean, just look again at that Origins chart. You just need the Gold Edition and that's that.
And those bonus stuff for the over-$60 editions are actually expensive, you know? A non-limited 73 cm resin statue could easily reach $100. It's either you care about those stuff - in which case it'd sound like a good deal - or you don't - in which case it's not for you to buy.
Audioboxer
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My main point
There are multiple posters who use the games can't be sustainable in this industry at $60 argument. Most games have multiple options over $60 to raise more money, Ubisoft is just one of the publishers who tend to do the most special editions. Others you're lucky if it's 1 special edition, or the special edition is simply a steelbook. Season passes add to that as well.
I'd take 40 special editions over the actual game having "microtransactions" at $99 and currency to buy loot boxes. The issue with Ubisoft is they do it all, at once, in a minimum $60 product. Which is almost a yearly franchise at times.
Stone Ocean
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It doesn't look like it has a bullshit currency so its too early to say if Ubisoft is pulling the Unity shit again.
Spehornoob
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If this is just an RNG chest bought with in game currency, it's not a problem. Randomized loot has been around forever.
If it's bought with real money, I'm out. Not gonna buy the game.
If it's bought with real money, I'm out. Not gonna buy the game.
Care to try to show that in Origins? Because that doesn't seem to be the case at all unless you literally can't read the chart you posted.
Audioboxer
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It was more apparent pre-origins. They've been big on retailer pre-order exclusives and signing timed exclusive content to MS/Sony. Literally, can't read? I'd be struggling on a forum!
ElfArmy177
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Good, I enjoy loot boxes like destiny, guild wars, fortnite, and any other game. I don't have as much time as others so I love the idea of spending money (real or not) to catch up. Don't really care if people don't like it, I welcome it with open arms so I can at least stay competetive or not feel like I'm wearing rags. I'm also the guy who buys short cut packs in battlefield. Love it. Sorry guys, I'm part of the problem and Ill continue to be 
Edit: some people buy Kraft Mac and cheese. Some buy store brand for 80 cents. Some make theirs from scratch and "grind" to get their Mac and cheese. Let people spend their god damn money ( real or not) the way they want and stop bitching about one game.. that's just following the lead of 90% of the market
Edit: some people buy Kraft Mac and cheese. Some buy store brand for 80 cents. Some make theirs from scratch and "grind" to get their Mac and cheese. Let people spend their god damn money ( real or not) the way they want and stop bitching about one game.. that's just following the lead of 90% of the market
mikezilla2
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this is all getting beyond a Joke .....
Not a fan of single player Pay to win Crap at all
Not a fan of single player Pay to win Crap at all
BrassDragon
Member
Good, I enjoy loot boxes like destiny, guild wars, fortnite, and any other game. I don't have as much time as others so I love the idea of spending money (real or not) to catch up. Don't really care if people don't like it, I welcome it with open arms so I can at least stay competetive or not feel like I'm wearing rags. I'm also the guy who buys short cut packs in battlefield. Love it. Sorry guys, I'm part of the problem and Ill continue to be
Edit: some people buy Kraft Mac and cheese. Some buy store brand for 80 cents. Some make theirs from scratch and "grind" to get their Mac and cheese. Let people spend their god damn money the way they want and stop bitching about one game.. that's just following the lead of 90% of the market
So who are you trying to catch up with in single players games like AC: Origins or Shadows of War?
Honest question, I don't get the point of paying to... not play the game?
ElfArmy177
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Let's say I work 6 days a week and have kids, just for the hell of it (I do). And I get an hour tops to play a game maybe let's say only a few days a week. If ANYTHING is going to help me get through it faster and see the story or help a difficult boss that I don't have time to try and try and try over and over... Then he'll yea I want those loot boxes and I'll pay with real or fake money any day of the week. I still enjoy most of the game, maybe it's a little easier but I just don't have time. Love dark souls... Can't play it, I'll never finish it
Edit: this is coming from the guy who would grind an area for over 8 hours straight JUST to get a rare drop in Kings field as a kid - which is 10 fold harder than dark souls btw.
BrassDragon
Member
Okay, that's fair - you'd pay to save time. But now they're making you pay for a chance to save time, since the return on your money is still tied to a roll of the dice. Wouldn't you rather just buy the unlock or progession directly instead of hoping the RNG gods favor you?
And since you appear to be an older gamer, wouldn't a cheat code or difficulty toggle work just as well here? It wasn't too long ago that games came with those as par for the course.
Whats pay to win here?
RPGCrazied
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Doesn't bother me. Just wont buy them if they cost real money. Now if its just gold like the image implies then its fine.
I'm more worried about PS4 performance seeing as how we haven't seen a video yet of how it runs.
I'm more worried about PS4 performance seeing as how we haven't seen a video yet of how it runs.
ElfArmy177
Member
I agree with your points about it being a roll of the dice. Which sucks but I understand the idea. But it's also the excitement of it I suppose. It's like a raid in world of Warcraft. I could spend HOURS in a raid.. and get absolutely nothing every time I roll that dice. At least with loot boxes I get something, maybe not as good as it could be but it will still help. Maybe it's just a color dye that is black that's rare. Now at least my guy looks like a badass instead of a doofus wearing 8 different colors.
I don't think a difficulty toggle or a cheat code would work. I remember GameShark and I'd instantly stop playing. The feeling of invincibility isn't something I want. It's more a head start or little help that appeals to me.
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You know what's better than gamer outrage? Gamer preoutrage. Get your outrage going BEFORE you get bad news.
You won't see one until release since MS got the marketing deal.
RPGCrazied
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I realize this now. Just hope its not Unity all over again, that was a mess.
How was syndicate PS4 at launch?
I got it 2 years after launch and it was fine.
tiebreaker
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This. Spend your outrage on already confirmed bs.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Followed by "But guys why do devs and journalists consider the community to be so toxic? :<"
Audioboxer
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Yes, that is right. Compare criticism of monetization in $60+ products to hate and bullying. Better tell Jim Sterling to stop making toxic Jimquisition videos.
Yep.
Same thing happened right before Destiny 2 was released when people thought Bright engrams would give you a competitive edge and were only real money currencies.
As of now there's no reason to be angry at Ubisoft and I doubt people claiming they ain't gonna buy the game anymore were going to anyway.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I mean this is literally a thread filled with people saying they aren't buying the game now because of a common RPG mechanic based off the OP completely jumping the gun, and even after a day hasn't been edited in anyway shape or form to NOT have a completely misleading title or even an edited OP that reflects that it's pure speculation. This isn't criticism of monetization of a $60 because this specific mechanic has nothing to do with that in the same way that "Horizon's mystery box merchant" has nothing to do with it.
ArkhamFantasy
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Blame Ubisoft's PR department, if the game doesn't have microtransactions (which the series has had before) they should have announced it a long time ago to kill speculation like this.
Microtransactions are a pillar of Ubisofts business model, its not a stretch to think that it will be in their biggest franchise.
Forza 7 waited until the game and reviews were out before they put them in.
Audioboxer
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That is not hating, bullying or anything toxic. It's discussions on the industry practices around monetization and how that can take the form of loot boxes. Unlike Horizon, the topic someone ran to make as a spin-off to this, Ubisoft has a track record of asking for real money for virtual currency.
Do you actually have a connection with Ubisoft or is your tag just a joke?
Ubisoft has done that too (but slight correction Forza 7s aren't in yet, they've still to come).
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ezp5za/ubisoft-cancels-four-free-to-play-games
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yea no that's BS. It's using the current hot topic as a springboard based off a misleading title and OP. It has nothing to do with critiquing the practice of loot boxes in the industry as a whole, literally nothing in the OP reflects what you're saying. Hell there's even two different threads dedicated to that discussion much more so than this thread's premise and OP.
I'd much rather them constantly talk about things much more relevant to the game itself considering how negligible MTs have been in their games and how much they've overhauled Origins.
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If you think hate and bullying are the only reasons the gaming community fucking sucks sometimes then I have a beach house to sell you in Idaho.
Audioboxer
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Where did I say only? Do you think criticism of monetization is unfair to developers/publishers or something? Crossing Eden made it out "outrage culture" around monetization is "toxic" to developers/publishers and this is why they think so of the gaming community.
And if there is "microtransactions" in Origins?
It is nice to know if you're engaged in a topic about a company with an employee or just a fellow gamer with a different opinion, so I will ask again, is your tag a joke or somewhat relevant to link you to Ubisoft?
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No I think that criticism is totally fine. My problem is twofold.
1. "The game has ANY sort of micro transactions?! FUCK THIS GAME IM NOT BUYING IT."
2. Complaining about a game or a publisher doing something before it's even happened.
Sony also has a track record of lootboxes for money, currency for money, and all kinds of MTs in general. What is this "track record" you're talking about?
BouncyFrag
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At this point I'd say I dislike loot boxes about the same as I dislike loot box threads.
Audioboxer
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Well, number 1 should never be a "problem" for you. It's a difference of opinion. You don't have control over what other people set their boundaries to spend their own earned money on.
Number 2 is more up for debate, but only being reactionary in this industry isn't helpful. It's harder to get a developer/publisher to retroactively patch/change a game, than it is try and ward them off going ahead with the practice/PR nightmare in the first place.
I'm talking about Ubisoft's track record. You're correct, Sony does, but Guerilla is in charge of Horizon, primarily.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Then we can discuss those when they're revealed?
And then further discuss down the line how negligible they turned out to be in the grand scheme of the game's progression because this is literally what happens every time. And considering that the item that the player from the screenshot in the OP got actually ended up worse than what that player found just exploring, I think it's a safe bet to say that it'll be yet another situation where the bulk of the game's development was spent as normal and then at the very end they added time saving monetization in someway shape or form. Like they have for the past FIVE years.
Do you think this person works for Bethesda based on their tag?
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You can buy whatever you want I'm just saying it's not genuine criticism.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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This... all that needs to be said
You're saying that Sony gives more free reign to Guerrila than they do Naughty Dog, which have had lootboxes, in-game currency, and weapons and skills better than the base ones locked behind DLC on their games?
Audioboxer
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If tags don't have a link, and someone doesn't know the backstory, it's not always possible to know anything. I was simply asking and I'll take your response as a no.
As for wanting people only to discuss MTs if and when they happen, see my point about only being reactionary in this industry.
Are you the arbitrator of "genuine" criticism? That's not how this works. No developer or publisher is simply owed money. People can and will make decisions before giving their money away, and sometimes feeling like the product they are buying is behaving like a F2P game in a $60+ product is a bullet point on an individuals blacklist.
That's not what I said. ND's MP antics have long been shitty on the monetization front. Any more Sony games you want me to criticise? You'll soon find I have zero issues being critical of any game from any company I think is taking the piss with monetization. Horizon just wasn't one of those because it has no monetization in the form of MTs being tied to RNG boxes. Much like The Witcher 3, it has a standard season pass for SP DLC.
Devilinthiscity
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Lol, seems like every game coming out this month has them. Wouldnt be surprised if the new Evil Within shoe horned them in also.