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I was sold a book illegally through Amazon. What should I do?

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EatinOlives

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OK here's the deal. Bought a textbook for a class used from a third party seller, and the seller only said the book was "Like New". Their description said: "ALMOST BRAND NEW", that's it. I order the book and it takes a while to get here, but still within Amazon's gigantic window of delivery.

Today the book arrives and obviously something's up. The inside pages are all in black and white and printed on super cheap grey ashy paper, the kind you see in dime romance novels off Half Price Books. The back of the back is entirely in black, and I notice a black stripe running along the back edge that ends up looking like black tape. I peel off the tape (hard to do, had to push in a credit card slowly through the tape to peel it off)0 and sure enough, I uncover this bit of wonderful text printed on the back:

This edition has been authorized by Elsevier* for sale in the following countries: India, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh. Sale and purchase of this book outside these countries is not authorized and is illegal.

*Elsevier is the publisher

Hooray, I got sold a dirt-cheap edition of this book illegally. In fact, I can't find any copyright information pages anywhere in the book. I'm questioning if it's even a legal copy.

Thing is, though, the book seems to be printed in its entirety. Pages don't seem to be missing, and the book is in English and readable. There's a bit of difficulty in reading some graphs or figures that rely on color to convey information, but it's all legible.

If I raise a fuss over this it won't be because the book is unusable, it would be strictly because I was sold a book illegally. But I still feel pissed and I think I should dispute it. It would obviously be more convenient for me to just keep the book (it was $35) than it would be to complain to Amazon, but god damn it their shitty underhanded way of covering the label that says the sale of this book is illegal really pisses me off.

I should mention the book was shipped from Mumbai even though there was no indication it was shipped from overseas. The ISBN number between my book and the one in the product page are different, so it's simply a different product.

I've never disputed an internet purchase before, though. Is this something Amazon will side with me on?
 

Krappadizzle

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Turn yourself in you monster.



Realistically just contact Amazon and tell them how furious you are and they need to accept the copy back and replace it with what you thought you were buying.
 

tanooki27

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dude you got an international edition of a book you should be super happy
 

Mysterious

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It was $35, so you probably saved a pretty penny. International editions are the exact same thing.
 

fredrancour

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There do not actually seem to be any legal problems with buying international editions mi matter how much publishers wish there were.
 

EatinOlives

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Is it really an international edition? I mean yeah I know it's got all the characteristics of one, but the label only lists a handful of countries and outright states sales anywhere else is not allowed.

The Supreme Court ruled last year that reselling those books is legal and that the publisher's attempts to block them are invalid.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...rt-oks-discounted-resale-of-gray-market-goods

Well that's certainly interesting. So this is all legal as of last year, it's only the publisher being a dick by having that printed notice...

On the one hand, they never said it was an el cheapo edition, which kind of annoys me. On the other, it makes no difference to the actual content of the book, it just looks cheap and, well, was cheap.

EDIT: Wow, I legit didn't know anything about this shitstorm between publishers and international editions. This is pretty interesting. If there's actually nothing wrong or illegal about this I'm probably not gonna give a fuck.
 
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Do nothing, I buy international editions of text books when i can because they're cheaper and have the same fuckin information as the over priced Murican edition
 

FreeMufasa

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Jeez, leave it. You got ur book and its readable.

Ppl here are such squares. Anything regarding the law and they shook.
 

Drkirby

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Its not actually illegal, but you can likely complain you got sold a different version then what you paid for and get your money back if you care.
 

HideyoshiJP

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OP, you shilling for McGraw Hill? Yes the seller mislead you if they didn't specify international edition, but there's nothing illegal about most grey market imports, unless its cars. Then the bloody Immigration and Customs Enforcement come get your car and crush it. :(
 

CDX

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Depends how much you care that it's an international edition.

If it was me, and it was a really, really good deal I probably wouldn't care.

If on the other hand I paid within the price range for a legit US copy I'd be mad I got the cheap edition instead.

The ISBN number between my book and the one in the product page are different, so it's simply a different product.
Amazon probably doesn't like sellers doing this.

If you wanted to you could complain you were sold a different version than what was listed on their webpage
 

EatinOlives

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OP, you shilling for McGraw Hill? Yes the seller mislead you if they didn't specify international edition, but there's nothing illegal about most grey market imports, unless its cars. Then the bloody Immigration and Customs Enforcement come get your car and crush it. :(

I now expect to be Swatted and my book shot 96 times with an automatic rifle.

Nah, I don't give a fuck anymore now that I know it's just a publisher getting their panties in a twist. If it was actually illegal maybe I would've done something but I didn't know about this international-edition shitstorm and certainly don't want to help asshole textbook publishers out.
 

jamesinclair

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Uh, op, most people seek out the international version because it's the same thing cheaper.

How did you think you were saving $200?
 

EatinOlives

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Uh, op, most people seek out the international version because it's the same thing cheaper.

How did you think you were saving $200?

The new book costs $61, I wasn't saving that much :p

And I was only kinda suspicious that it was just some dude selling homemade shit for pure profit, since I don't find any copyright info pages. THAT I would've been pissed about. Then I realized it was more likely just an international edition, which I was still kinda hmm about since it was a bit misleading and mostly me being ignorant about what publishers mean when they shout something is "ILLEGAL". But now that I know it's perfectly legal and very likely to be a legit copy of an international edition I'm actually not mad anymore.
 

TMC

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Like others said, it's just an international edition. I opted for these on purpose many times while I was in college to save money.
 

Cels

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well if the pages really are lower quality than the domestic edition, i'd definitely whine about it.
 

survivor

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Bless international edition books. Helped me a lot since I was able to get them for 30-40 dollars when the regular editions could cost up to 150 dollars for some of my classes.
 

Rembrandt

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Read it? you gonna snitch over a textbook, bruh? I mean, only do something if it's really not legible/you need those graphs. Perhaps leave a negative review if you want, but I'm guessing you save $100+ ordering it so if it works it works.
 

oni_saru

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You got an international book. Those are dirt cheap and the exact same thing to the $150 txtbooks your college prof want you to buy.

I didn't know Amazon was starting to sell these. Had to buy all my international books on ebay.

And hell yeah i bought international. I'm debt free! *makes it rain*
 
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Yep, just an international version. Any time you find a way cheaper copy of a school book online, you can bet that's exactly what it is. Fuck paying $150 for textbooks, go international any chance you get.

I didn't know Amazon was starting to sell these. Had to buy all my international books on ebay.

Amazon wasn't selling it. Third party seller was.
 

Timedog

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Screw college textbook corporations. You did very well and actually got a book at a good price, be proud and leave it be. Complaining to Amazon might make it so that others won't have the same opportunity and will have to pay insane exorbitant prices for a new edition where the only difference is that half the problems are slightly changed solely so they can rake in more millions.
 

oni_saru

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Amazon wasn't selling it. Third party seller was.

Right.

OP sometimes international books come in good quality, sometimes not. Also some may have questions reversed but you can always re-number them by checking a friend's/classmates non-international copy.

Ebay sellers tend to always have free shipping!

Welcome to saving money :)

When i was in uni, some people thought i was taking Chinese. But nope. My stats book just had a Chinese cover but everything inside was in English. :D good times!
 

Big-E

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FBI is on the way to your house now OP.

Publishers run a racket on textbooks. They don't get to control shit as to what people can do after they have bought a book.
 

panzone

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I had the same problem OP: two years ago I ordered a copy of Introduction to algorithms, I found a super cheap one and I thought "well, this is a great deal", only to discover later that I ordered an Indian copy. At the moment that copy is on my desk: ok, it is super cheap about paper and cover, but it' s complete english copy, so as a reference book it works perfectly.
 

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Enjoy your freshman year, op.
 

Sir_Crocodile

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I should mention the book was shipped from Mumbai even though there was no indication it was shipped from overseas. The ISBN number between my book and the one in the product page are different, so it's simply a different product.

I've never disputed an internet purchase before, though. Is this something Amazon will side with me on?

amazon will side with you
 

Ourobolus

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Sheesh. I wouldn't have been able to eat regular food if I didn't get my books from half.com. International editions are awesome.
 

Protag

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See if amazon can refund your 35 and you keep the book.

Disgusting, and need to oust that seller.
 

Ken

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Yeah I know a bunch of college buddies who bought international editions on purpose cause they were so much cheaper than the regular.

I think my US published ochem book was like $200+ and I saw people with the international editions from eBay for like $20. Of course, it's a bummer if you were looking for a real copy of the thing but for money saving they're pretty nice.
 
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