Puck said:
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Puck said:
Panajev2001a said:True, but with IBM not pushing the CBEA as previously planned for internal use, there is much less chance for CELL to be competitive and reasonable...
Sony does not seem interested in investing hundreds of millions in pure R&D for a new CPU, Toshiba does not seem already lined up for PS4 (IMHO I do not see them working on PS4 at all)... Backward compatibility and security (well, security first and foremost) are the two biggest reasons for a CELL based PS4 CPU...
The first point can be worked around with emulation (PS3 titles with some small graphical enhancements [say better AA and AF] will still look very good on PS4 and can be sold on the PSN store) and sufficiently capable hardware.
The second point can be solved by a different Hypervisor based solution (Sony has been able to study the effects of the security model developed for PS3).
Then price and performance for native PS4 titles and compatibility with the likely LRB based GPU come in... can a CELL based CPU compete with what Intel can offer when the burden of R&D investment is now solely on Sony's head (instead of being shared by IBM and Toshiba too)?
What? Noo. Wii and DS are the biggest brands in gaming right now, period. They're basically the "iPOD" of gaming right now. Them saying DS/Wii are big does not mean Playstation is irrelevant.Svpam said:Indeed, its 2009, and what Sony did in past generations makes them outshine any other company even now.
Svpam said:Indeed, its 2009, and what Sony did in past generations makes them outshine any other company even now.
spons said:Sony leaving behind the most powerful brand in gaming? Please.
legend166 said:I can't decide which is funnier, this or the OP.
You were obviously not around when the skies were covered with stars and the ground with rings. We ran around with red shoe's and red hats, eating Zelda cereal and watching Sonic the Hedgehog on television. Or we beat each other up at school to decide if Aladin on SNES or Genesis was superior. Movie/cartoon games used to be good, we went to the moon with Scrooge McDuck and experienced Jurassic Park for real. Well I don't recall much about that time either, but I still realize that the golden age of gaming has been long gone.Svpam said:Indeed, its 2009, and what Sony did in past generations makes them outshine any other company even now.
I'm in a hurry but here are some Google results:CrushDance said:What? Noo. Wii and DS are the biggest brands in gaming right now, period. They're basically the "iPOD" of gaming right now. Them saying DS/Wii are big does not mean Playstation is irrelevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_80PQ543rMPureauthor said:We've landed on the moon?
legend166 said:I can't decide which is funnier, this or the OP.
I just said that no?Taurus said:I'm in a hurry but here are some Google results:
http://videogamesrepublic.com/?p=11043
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/david-capece/sparxoo/coca-cola-and-nintendo-re-invent-brand-image
Make of them what you will or try to find better results...
spons said:Sony leaving behind the most powerful brand in gaming? Please.
NinjaFusion said:The playstation brand is still widely respected, known, and regarded among most consumers... it's not as tarnished as people think.
Falafelkid said:IBM is discontinuing the Cell chip line of products. A successor to the current PowerXCell-8i chip will not be brought to market, the company's Vice President of Deep Computing, David Turek, told the German IT news site Heise. Turek did note that the Cell design was not dead and would in parts be implemented across IBM's various other chip designs. The future, though, belongs to hybrid designs and heterogenous multiprocessing, Turek said.
The ramifications for a possible successor to the PlayStation3 could be significant. Its architecture can no longer be Cell-based, which would entail the following: Firstly, backwards compatibility to the PS3 would no longer be possible on a hardware basis. It would have to be emulated, which is always the worse option. And, secondly, Sony could no longer look forward to a relatively cheap research and development budget for the PS4.
Allow me to speculate a little here. Over the past two years, various reports have sprung up that Sony was very much considering a Cell-based chip for the PS4.
Of course, IBM would not discontinue a chip line if Sony was still interested in it. So we can safely assume that Sony changed its mind. But why? A Cell-based solution would have had many advantages for the company, as noted above. One possible explanation would be that Sony has cancelled its plans for another PlayStation and will be leaving the home console market. Analysts discussed this option years ago.
And while the slimmer version and price cut have helped the console gain some market share, the price cut is costing Sony dearly. The Washington Post reported that Sony is further away from profitability than previously thought.
In my mind, Sony withdrawing from the home console market altogether is a real possibility. And IBM discontinuing the Cell chip line may be the first indicator of such a move. Any thoughts?
P.S.: This story from my blog.
Boerseun said:Disregarding speculation, the bottom line is that there is no Cell without IBM. Sony brought the marketing, Toshiba brought the notions of extended functionality, IBM brought the actual chip design and production. All three brought money, but money can't buy you love. The other two can go, but the party's over if IBM leaves.
I'm predicting Sony will stay in gaming, but solely as makers of an as yet unannounced handheld system. I wouldn't put it past them to make it really powerful and slap the Playstation 4 label on it. Marketing will focus on convincing the consumer that console gaming is dead and that portable gaming is the only way to go. Sony will continue losing money before pulling out completely, GAF will explode with megatons and weeping, and that will be the end of it. Sega (in partnership with Microsoft) vs. Nintendo two gens from now. I can't wait.
Maybe the very specific parts of it, but in the larger picture it's still very valuable. I think the quality of early next-gen games will be up a lot thanks to developers having worked with something containing more than 3 cores and a memory architecture where you can't just hope for cache taking care of everything for you.NinjaFusion said:Anyway.... are we basically saying that all this Cell-specific tech sony have worked on and developers have worked on... will go in the bin next gen?
Boerseun said:Disregarding speculation, the bottom line is that there is no Cell without IBM. Sony brought the marketing, Toshiba brought the notions of extended functionality, IBM brought the actual chip design and production. All three brought money, but money can't buy you love. The other two can go, but the party's over if IBM leaves.
I'm predicting Sony will stay in gaming, but solely as makers of an as yet unannounced handheld system. I wouldn't put it past them to make it really powerful and slap the Playstation 4 label on it. Marketing will focus on convincing the consumer that console gaming is dead and that portable gaming is the only way to go. Sony will continue losing money before pulling out completely, GAF will explode with megatons and weeping, and that will be the end of it. Sega (in partnership with Microsoft) vs. Nintendo two gens from now. I can't wait.
bishoptl said:new Shenmue in 2016
Boerseun said:Disregarding speculation, the bottom line is that there is no Cell without IBM. Sony brought the marketing, Toshiba brought the notions of extended functionality, IBM brought the actual chip design and production. All three brought money, but money can't buy you love. The other two can go, but the party's over if IBM leaves.
I'm predicting Sony will stay in gaming, but solely as makers of an as yet unannounced handheld system. I wouldn't put it past them to make it really powerful and slap the Playstation 4 label on it. Marketing will focus on convincing the consumer that console gaming is dead and that portable gaming is the only way to go. Sony will continue losing money before pulling out completely, GAF will explode with megatons and weeping, and that will be the end of it. Sega (in partnership with Microsoft) vs. Nintendo two gens from now. I can't wait.
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Taurus said:I'm in a hurry but here are some Google results:
http://videogamesrepublic.com/?p=11043
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/david-capece/sparxoo/coca-cola-and-nintendo-re-invent-brand-image
Make of them what you will or try to find better results...
Okay.... :lolBoerseun said:Disregarding speculation, the bottom line is that there is no Cell without IBM. Sony brought the marketing, Toshiba brought the notions of extended functionality, IBM brought the actual chip design and production. All three brought money, but money can't buy you love. The other two can go, but the party's over if IBM leaves.
I'm predicting Sony will stay in gaming, but solely as makers of an as yet unannounced handheld system. I wouldn't put it past them to make it really powerful and slap the Playstation 4 label on it. Marketing will focus on convincing the consumer that console gaming is dead and that portable gaming is the only way to go. Sony will continue losing money before pulling out completely, GAF will explode with megatons and weeping, and that will be the end of it. Sega (in partnership with Microsoft) vs. Nintendo two gens from now. I can't wait.
Boerseun said:Disregarding speculation, the bottom line is that there is no Cell without IBM. Sony brought the marketing, Toshiba brought the notions of extended functionality, IBM brought the actual chip design and production. All three brought money, but money can't buy you love. The other two can go, but the party's over if IBM leaves.
I'm predicting Sony will stay in gaming, but solely as makers of an as yet unannounced handheld system. I wouldn't put it past them to make it really powerful and slap the Playstation 4 label on it. Marketing will focus on convincing the consumer that console gaming is dead and that portable gaming is the only way to go. Sony will continue losing money before pulling out completely, GAF will explode with megatons and weeping, and that will be the end of it. Sega (in partnership with Microsoft) vs. Nintendo two gens from now. I can't wait.
:lol wowBoerseun said:Disregarding speculation, the bottom line is that there is no Cell without IBM. Sony brought the marketing, Toshiba brought the notions of extended functionality, IBM brought the actual chip design and production. All three brought money, but money can't buy you love. The other two can go, but the party's over if IBM leaves.
I'm predicting Sony will stay in gaming, but solely as makers of an as yet unannounced handheld system. I wouldn't put it past them to make it really powerful and slap the Playstation 4 label on it. Marketing will focus on convincing the consumer that console gaming is dead and that portable gaming is the only way to go. Sony will continue losing money before pulling out completely, GAF will explode with megatons and weeping, and that will be the end of it. Sega (in partnership with Microsoft) vs. Nintendo two gens from now. I can't wait.
NopeNuclear Muffin said:Didn't Toshiba and Sony both drop out of cell manufacturing before? Meaning that IBM are the sole producers of cell arcitecture processors?
If that's the case then wouldn't the article be correct about the lack of ability to use an enhanced cell processor at low cost for the PS4 then? (since it would have to be made on request, thus infating the manufacturing costs significantly)
Doubledex said:Nope
NinjaFusion said:that part is hilarious...
but the fact is that with no IBM there is no cell...
And that does raise major issues
1 - the upgrade path for sony will be tough... whereas it seems a given that MS will be using ati / custom powerpc again... meaning that backwards compatibility could be an issue... with the PSN and XBLM becoming a key part of the market, the ability to migrate that content across to the new systems will be important... an you imagine if MS just carry their market place across and all of sony's PSN games don't work, for instance? epic fail.
2 - Developers... all their custom cell tech becomes useless. Who will optimise for the cell during the later years of the PS3 if it becomes clear that all that tech will end up in the bin. On the flip side they might well welcome a move away from cell and it could mean the next two systems have a much more equal footing in terms of support / ports, etc.
3 - do we go through another couple of years where sony's in-house studio output is hamstrung by learning the tech rather than making games...?
it looks very hazy for sony in terms of how you manage all of this with a move to a new chipset... especially if microsoft offers developers and publishers an easy / smooth transition.
Interesting times ahead!!!!
TheRagnCajun said:Baseless speculation-age ftw! :lol
stalker said:This falafelkid nick sounds familiar to me from the pre-wii nintendo speculation era. I kind of remember rumours about 3D and holograms for the revolution. Same guy? I'm surprised to find him on GAF