Where is this video? Cause all I see is that seven second video of mountain terrain. Also if I understand correctly there have been 720p tech demo done on the OG Xbox, I just don't see how the spec difference between the xbox and wii can fulfill the broad descriptions provided.
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IGN: Factor 5 & the canceledRogue Squadron Trilogy Remake for Wii [Video]
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Where is this video? Cause all I see is that seven second video of mountain terrain. Also if I understand correctly there have been 720p tech demo done on the OG Xbox, I just don't see how the spec difference between the xbox and wii can fulfill the broad descriptions provided.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
all the rouge sqadron games, minus 1 and its sorta sidestory of episode 1 on the N64 were 60 fps
uncredited male
Member
It wasn't the 60 fps as much as it is reading like a wishlist.
You don't sit on a completed project when you are trying to get a publisher and not have something leak out to the public for leverage.
It's not Sony's fault Lair ended up badly. It's Factor 5's game, blame them.
The previous poster obviously saw and played WeFly and Rogue Wii. The leaked clip from WeFly only shows a brief landscape demo, none of the Wii weather channel features, or anything substantial relating to the game.
It's not their game to sit on..
Mr. Return
Member
What a sad story, Factor 5 deserved better. Maybe a Petition to Disney/EA would be a solution?
There's no video but that guy knows what he's talking about.
AcePartyN7
Member
You forget to mention that there was a rogue squadron: X-wing vs tie fighter planned as launch title for xbox 360 too.
My god and me that I want buy back a wii to play again these games. If Factor 5 read me you can still release these games on the xbox live marketplace as arcade, I would love to play them back with rogue squadron 3D.
My god and me that I want buy back a wii to play again these games. If Factor 5 read me you can still release these games on the xbox live marketplace as arcade, I would love to play them back with rogue squadron 3D.
I think i read about that back then, it heard about this being made and heard about the cancellation when factor 5 went out of business because of their shit called lair for ps3 its not the financial crisis. Also rebel strike wasnt a good game. And yes, both gc games were arlready running 60fps, so its just a port with new controls available. And i dont know how the n64 remake looked like, but i think thats the only game they remade....
Why isnt the iso or rom file not floating around on the internet??? Like star fox 2 for snes or thrill kill for psx. Games completely done and then canned in the last minute.....
So sad.....
Why isnt the iso or rom file not floating around on the internet??? Like star fox 2 for snes or thrill kill for psx. Games completely done and then canned in the last minute.....
So sad.....
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Stop such lies
TheMoon
Member
Does anyone know the details of EA's Star Wars licencing..?
I know that it's exclusive but surely that can't be with all Star Wars games ever created. Did Nintendo publish the Rogue games..? I can't remember.
If they didn't then the rights to the games would belong to the original publisher(s?) and not EA, right..? And the code itself will always belong to Factor 5 in Germany.
So all Nintendo have to do is negotiate with Factor 5, the original publisher and Disney to rescue the games and 'do a Bayonetta 2', right..? Give Factor 5 access to their GameCube/Wii conversion software and get them to do the same thing that Nintendo did with WindWaker HD.
In theory, unless I've got something wrong above, it should be possible for Nintendo to publish the game.
I know that it's exclusive but surely that can't be with all Star Wars games ever created. Did Nintendo publish the Rogue games..? I can't remember.
If they didn't then the rights to the games would belong to the original publisher(s?) and not EA, right..? And the code itself will always belong to Factor 5 in Germany.
So all Nintendo have to do is negotiate with Factor 5, the original publisher and Disney to rescue the games and 'do a Bayonetta 2', right..? Give Factor 5 access to their GameCube/Wii conversion software and get them to do the same thing that Nintendo did with WindWaker HD.
In theory, unless I've got something wrong above, it should be possible for Nintendo to publish the game.
frankie_baby
Member
It would technically be a "new" game EA have the rights to publish "new" star wars core games, so without EA's say so it ain't happening
The GC games were published by LucasArts/Activision (Activision did it for Europe). N64 Rogue Squadron was published by LucasArts+Nintendo (LucasArts US only, other regions by Nintendo).
IsntChrisL
Member
I would have lived happier not knowing this.
DidntKnowJack
Member
I have my doubts this was really a completed project - that no one was aware of until now...?
At any rate, kind of amazing. What we could have gotten - this amazing (sounding) project. What we got - Lair.
At any rate, kind of amazing. What we could have gotten - this amazing (sounding) project. What we got - Lair.
TheMoon
Member
But ...there is no Factor 5 anymore.
That no-one was aware of? We've known about it since early 2009 I think.
frankie_baby
Member
Factor Y/touch factor or whatever they are now
My words exactly!
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I really hope this leaks someday i'll play the FUCK out of it...
Both GC RS games were blindingly beautiful.
Motion controls would really make sense in improving lightsaber combat and 3rd person shooting missions and Wii would have a new graphics benchmark.
The difference is that the Wii only had 2MB of memory for storing the frame buffer, which is too small for a 720p buffer, while the Xbox used a unified memory architecture, so its GPU could access the entire 64MB memory pool and use as much of it as it needed. Lots of full games on the Xbox used 720p or even 1080i framebuffers, such as Soul Calibur, Freedom Fighters, Enter the Matrix, a handful of EA Sports games, and others. The Wii had a similar fillrate as the Xbox, so it had more than enough power to render 720p content, but due to the memory issue it had no way of actually displaying it.
They still have their office in Germany, don't they..?
Nope, shut down. Achim Moller opened FactorY Media Production GmbH though, which is basically the same though - just a new shell.
uncredited male
Member
At the time they still had the license. According to them they wanted to use the completed game to leverage someone to invest in the future of their company but it fell through. A game with a major IP presence.
And rather than leak a gameplay vid or some screens to help scrounge up something they decided to keep it quiet, go bankrupt, and watch as LucasArts picked over their corpse.
This really seems unlikely. Like Battlefront 3 was basically done and LucasArts decided to kill it because they didn't want to market it unlikely.
They never had the Star Wars license. The Rogue Squadron games have been LucasArts games and the trilogy was supposed to get published by them. Eggebrecht said in the podcast that Factor 5 self-financed the Wii version, but not because they wanted to shop it to different publishers, it's just that they'd have simply got better royalties this way.
It also sounds like the trilogy was finished as in "nearly finished", but still missing the final touches. When Factor 5 went under after the Superman dilemma, there was no one left to complete it and that's it. I'm not sure why exactly it would have helped to leak a video - after all, he said that multiple publishers tried to help Factor 5 when they were in trouble. Due to the financial crisis no one had the money to rescue the studio in the end, though. A leaked video would have changed nothing about no one having enough money to throw around to save the studio.
uncredited male
Member
Leaking media about the game would have given Factor 5 a chance to show consumer interest to an investor that the game was worth publishing.
They had already negotiated the rights to release it from LucasArts. LucasArts didn't want to spend the money to bail them out and told them if they went under all their content would be owned by them anyway. None of the other publishers wanted to pony up.
In 2010 LucasArts got the game. They were still pumping out Wii Star Wars titles well after that. I don't think a game that was completed or needed finishing touches would be killed like that.
I suspect it needed much more work than was hinted at and failed the cost benefit analysis of LucasArts and any other publishers that were interested. The talk also mentions lawsuit concerns mentioned by LucasArts but didn't go into detail about it so maybe LucasArts sat on it, but considereing what LucasArts is (was:-<) in relation to the Star Wars IP that seems a little strange.
JohnTinker
Limbaugh Parrot
I hate this thread
Actually, Julian said that a few publishers stepped in to help out and make it happen. I got the impression and without Julian outright saying so, that Lucasarts wasn't making it easy on them because basically if Factor 5 folded, Lucas would get everything anyway due to an already outstanding debt.
Listening to this podcast was fairly uplifting for me because I was always under the impression the Factor 5 was long gone. It's good to hear they are reborn and doing well for themselves. Maybe one day we'll get a new Factor 5 game one a console or PC.
Honest question. Does anyone hear think an appeal to Disney and Nintendo in the form of a petition might give the trilogy a chance? If the original Wii game is done, what does Disney have to lose.
Wtf factor 5 were so wasted last gen.
clem84
Gold Member
I was under the impression that Nintendo helped F5, to some extent, to make those games and, because of that, the Rogue Squadron games could never appear on other platforms but if they were working on an Xbox port then this is clearly wrong. Somebody must own the rights to the game and the gamecode itself. Maybe there's a chance it might see the light of day at some point??? If Julian is uncertain if a WiiU release would be profitable, then maybe PS4?
True that. Such a shame.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
I blame Lair for this game not happening.
even though I kinda like Lair
Situations like this a dependent on where the information is coming from. Factor 5 were known for doing amazing things on Nintendo hardware especially. We have proof of this with their previous games and other work they've done. Especially the case for those that were active during this era and experienced what Factor 5 could do personally. If this was some unknown company or one that never proved themselves it would be easy to dismiss. That isn't the case here. I see no reason at all to not believe what was said. I do question just how complete things were but I don't doubt they were capable of doing what they said.
For the 1:1 control it was also said in the podcast that they were the first ones to get the Wii Motion Plus prototypes. They were also integral to the actual design of the GameCube. This we had known but it's good to remind people of this. This is why they were able to do what they did on the GameCube and why they would be able to do what they were doing on the Wii.
I feel sad, I loved the Rouge Squadron saga it was the best videogame SW saga ever and this remastered trilogy will never see the light of day, because of Lair, Sony and Lucas Arts.
I felt that SW RS2 was one of the "darkhorse goty" of that year it was so impressive for the era and it has an amazing gameplay...
I felt that SW RS2 was one of the "darkhorse goty" of that year it was so impressive for the era and it has an amazing gameplay...
IGN just released a trailer for the game
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/13/cancelled-star-wars-rogue-squadron-wii-game-footage-found
I'll be honest, this looks like prime Wii garbage
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/13/cancelled-star-wars-rogue-squadron-wii-game-footage-found
I'll be honest, this looks like prime Wii garbage
The Abominable Snowman
Member
The first one was really good. With a lot of revamping, the second and third could have turned out decent as well. (Never played all 3, I think I had the first two)
Where was Fund-Your-Flop Nintendo in 2008
Where was Fund-Your-Flop Nintendo in 2008
TheMoon
Member
IGN just released a trailer for the game
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/13/cancelled-star-wars-rogue-squadron-wii-game-footage-found
I'll be honest, this looks like prime Wii garbage
Do you even know what you're saying there? This looks amazing. Zero garbage present. Holy shit.
I have to agree with him here. The lightsaber gameplay looks janky as shit and the animations are terrible.