http://wii.ign.com/articles/955/955108p1.html
Direct Link: http://wiimovies.ign.com/wii/audio/article/955/955108/NintendoVoiceChatEpisode37.mp3
*starts downloading podcast* I can't wait to hear what they have to say about DS: E.
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IGN Nintendo Voice Chat Podcast - Episode 37
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Direct Link: http://wiimovies.ign.com/wii/audio/article/955/955108/NintendoVoiceChatEpisode37.mp3
*starts downloading podcast* I can't wait to hear what they have to say about DS: E.
ThatObviousUser
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They should remove the damn time limit on this thing, seriously.
The podcasts are recorded like two hours before they go up, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of Hater Voice™ Matt and Boz (specially Boz since he did a fricking editorial on the subject :lol) containted.
Listening now.
markatisu said:
The podcasts are recorded like two hours before they go up, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of Hater Voice™ Matt and Boz (specially Boz since he did a fricking editorial on the subject :lol) containted.
Listening now.
ThatObviousUser
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chase said:
1. Love your avatar. :lol
2. Miss that 1000+ post front-page thread huh? :lol
Fantastical
Death Prophet
1. His avatar is disgusting.Andrex said:
2. You're awaiting an IGN Nintendo podcast... so...
Fantastical
Death Prophet
HINT: I don't listen to these.Linkup said:
Summary. I just don't like this podcast, but it brings good info sometimes. I got defensive against 1UP.avatar299 said:
flintstryker
Banned
Sure you don't...Fantastical said:
comedy bomb
Banned
So a new Capcom game? Or is it a mini game in Dead Rising?
The Hermit
Member
:lol :lol
Yeah THIS game should´ve been on rails, not Dead Space
Hero of Legend
Member
Baiano19 said::lol :lol
Yeah THIS game should´ve been on rails, not Dead Space
When it was a sandbox-style game? That's a complete 180.
witness said:
Honestly, a lot depends on how Sega markets it, and how hard a push they give them. The constant trailer releases and talk about Madworld is good for the hardcore audience, but no game truly succeeds on a hardcore audience alone. They need to get the casual gamer who would buy a Call of Duty or Resident Evil to know these games exist, and to want them.
justchris said:
Well they have been advertising the hell out of HoTD Overkill on a few big time cable networks, advertisment that REUC, HoTD 2/3 Retuns and Ghost Squad never got and were still very successful.
So if they can penetrate at least some of the "core" and build upon the already established base for the light gun games it should (in theory) provide very good results. Its already showing positive returns in the UK charting higher than any of the other games before it, but I am not sure what ads are going on over there since they got special edition bundles of the game as promotion
The fact that Madworld has a trailer on the HoTD Overkill disc and is attached to the current HoTD commericals, alongside the insert in the game case hailing The Conduit as an award winner probably means they are going to push all 3 very hard
jaundicejuice
Member
Dead Rising: Chop 'Til You Drop is exactly what I feared Dead Space for the Wii would end up being. A horrible, downgraded version that no one, not even people who haven't played the original, should buy. It looks and sounds completely terrible.
I know a lot of people are freaking out that Dead Space Extraction is a rail shooter but it's a brand new game built from the ground up for the Wii and it looks pretty damned good, I think, for the hardware it's on unlike the downgraded suckfest that Dead Rising sounds and looks like it's going to be. If Dead Space Extraction turns out to be a good game that gives me, someone who owns the original on an HD console, a reason to check it out.
I know a lot of people are freaking out that Dead Space Extraction is a rail shooter but it's a brand new game built from the ground up for the Wii and it looks pretty damned good, I think, for the hardware it's on unlike the downgraded suckfest that Dead Rising sounds and looks like it's going to be. If Dead Space Extraction turns out to be a good game that gives me, someone who owns the original on an HD console, a reason to check it out.
EmCeeGramr
Member
jaundicejuice said:
I'm looking forward to Dead Space Extraction, but let's be honest: Dead Rising needed a massive downgrade because of its style of gameplay: cutting through hundreds of zombies on-screen at once. Whereas Dead Space uses narrow corridors and relatively few on-screen enemies at a time, and uses the same formula as RE4, which worked on Wii.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Htown said:
doubt it.
As far as I can tell the source here is that HVS has announced that they can't fit it on WiiWare. I don't think there's any evidence that this necessarily means it'll be full retail. I'd think it'd be more likely that the project is shelved for the time being.
I'm not sure which publisher would pick up something like AdlM as a full retail game, but they'd have to be nuts. Especially given that there's already been a multiplayer colourful animals (sort of) kill each other game this generation... and it bombed... and only GameCock was foolish enough to publish it.
Stumpokapow said:
Actually the HVS person who was interviewed said it would not fit on WiiWare and was moved to a full retail release (their own words), but no publisher was announced in that interview. I would imagine that Data Design Interactive would publish it at worst, they pretty much publish anything on the Wii and HVS is going to finish the game with their own money so its not like the publisher will have to do anything but put it out.
ThatObviousUser
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Htown said:
Old news.
That said although I was never going to buy AdlM, I think $50 is a much harder pill to swallow no matter how you look at it.
Lavpa Jasai
Member
- Day and night cycles longer than Harvest Moon 64 + have more energy
Wtf does this mean...?
Wtf does this mean...?
TheGrayGhost
Banned
Well, guess what, Matt? MadWorld IS going to bomb. HARD. And if that is going to dismay publishers, than they deserve to go down in flames for their stupidity. *writes matt an e-mail*
MadWorld and, to a lesser extent, The Conduit are such stupid games to be on Wii. They are 360/PS3-esque games, precisely the type of games that are trending downwardly. But whatever. They just don't get it, yet.
MadWorld and, to a lesser extent, The Conduit are such stupid games to be on Wii. They are 360/PS3-esque games, precisely the type of games that are trending downwardly. But whatever. They just don't get it, yet.
TheGrayGhost said:
NMH didn't bomb and it didn't sell a lot, but going off of the talent they have behind MadWorld, it'll probably be a Zack & Wiki affair.
Might not deter Sega, though. They've been exceedingly kind to the Wii this gen.
TheGrayGhost said:
I don't think there's a fanbase for these games on the Wii because no one's tried to build one yet outside of Capcom. And I don't think those genres are on their way out, or necessarily have to be, as much as the type of systems that they usually find success on are.
Huh. There's gotta be a better way of wording that.
ThatObviousUser
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TheGrayGhost said:
I'm going to ignore the fact that my sarcasm meter is blinking furiously to say this:
I think MadWorld will do at least better than the first No More Heroes, and with all the Internet supermagic fairy powder, it could even do a million worldwide. Hopefully good word of mouth spreads this game far and wide, and hopefully publishers don't take the first month of its sales as the definitive reception of the title.
TheGrayGhost
Banned
AniHawk said:
I actually think The Conduit will do well, but it would do great if it didn't appear as if it were the little brother of a 360 FPS. It'll probably do a good million, almost two million, but I think the genre has potential to sell as much as the heavy-hitters on the DS and Wii if it would only tap into that "gaming for everyone" philosophy that games like NSMB, WiiFit, and MKWii have captured. I also think the genre would be much more fun, interesting, and creative for it.
jaundicejuice
Member
TheGrayGhost said:
Just like No More Heroes bombed? Oh wait, NMH went on to become the best selling game Grasshopper has made to date at near 400K (last I saw).
I'm not predicting whether or not if MadWorld will be a commercial bomb or a smashing success but I hope it does well, which leads me to ask what is your deal? What koolaid have you been quaffing? The Wii can have software that appeals to all of the various audiences, "core" gamers included. Kindly take your dogma and piss off.
TheGrayGhost
Banned
Andrex said:
We'll see how things play it out.
I just wish developers and publishers designed their games with a more consumer-centric approach as opposed to an experience-centric approach. With the former, success is often guaranteed. Miyamoto lets others play his games so that he knows what to adjust and change, his ego never gets in the way of what others think is fun. This is a consumer-centric approach. It seems like the developers of games like The Conduit and Madworld, however, give no consideration or thought to this approach, and I think this is why they will not succeed. People read my posts and think I'm just a sales-age poster, concerned only with business strategy, but I honestly think that taking the consumer-centric approach will result in more interesting and fun games.
jaundicejuice said:
I'm just saying, did they ever think to themselves what would be most fun (and therefore, most successful) for DS/Wii owners to play? Or did they just decide to make a very violent game with a black-and-white visual motif for the heck of it?
And, again, this isn't just a numbers game for me, I think the games would be better off with a more Miyamoto-esque development strategy.
Mark-Bozon
Member
Lavpa Jasai said:
Haha. Love those summs.
We were talking about Rune Factory. The question was "Harvest Moon 64 is the only one I've played, but days seem too short. Would I get into Rune Factory Wii?"
My answer was that yes, he'd get into the game still. Days feel longer, and you can head to bath houses to regain full stamina once each day. Also, this game is cool.
-Boz
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
There's nothing wrong with the experience-based approach if you're milking a cash cow and see it for what it is - you're aware that you aren't going to get long-term growth out of it. Both Madworld and the Conduit look to hit an underserved market here and look to hit it hard, but we shouldn't expect Wii Fit type numbers.TheGrayGhost said:
While I'd like to see both do well, I'm hoping Madworld gets the better of it.
Shadowlink
Member
Wow did Capcom even try when they were porting Dead Rising for the Wii? I bet we will see more ports like Lost Planet and stuff from Capcom. I just hope they make more Original games built for the Wii.
TheGrayGhost
Banned
viciouskillersquirrel said:
This a good point, not every game needs to be a mega-hit like NSMB and MKWii. However, I still think that when the gaming landscape has totally been disrupted in several years, and the "old ways" are "relics," this approach will be key to any kind of success.
TheGrayGhost
Banned
EDarkness said:
This is all true. But what I'm saying is, if you're developer/publisher trying to achieve real, sustainable success, games like The Conduit and Madworld are not the right way to go about it.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
Changing the development practices of all these businesses is a tall order, especially given that not all companies are set up like Nintendo or Blizzard. I think we'll see a gradual move toward that direction eventually, but the fact is that most dev companies are still developing games using a modified waterfall model with a few feedback loops for two simple reasons:TheGrayGhost said:
1) It makes it much easier to manage things like deadlines, budgets and resource allocation
2) Managers, due to their training, are often more effective dealing with tangible resources and people. They don't like having to mess about with such esoteric ideas such as quantifying or managing risk
I think the industry will, like nearly all other industries, be pushed forward by a few trailblazers with competitors going in after them and selling to the markets the pioneers create. There's still money to be made in a red ocean - you just have to settle for less than the blue.
TheGrayGhost said:
Sure it is, if there is a big enough audience for it
This just in, FPSs to become extinct. Millions of copies of Halo and CoD returned to stores!
You remind me a little of LanceStern, save instead of 300k being the arbitrary marker for success, its what Nintendo is doing. Nobody can be successful outside the Nintendo business model!
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
He's right, in that the audience will eventually contract too much, making the product unprofitable or give you small margins (See: Point n Click Adventure Games, 2D platformers etc.).HK-47 said:
Still, I disagree with him that the Blizzard/Nintendo way is the only way. An industry needs followers just as much as it needs trailblazers. The trick is knowing when to bail out of an unprofitable/shrinking market and where the industry needs to move.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Glad this got sorted out ASAP. Barring some major music travesty it looks like it'll remain a day one purchase for me.
TheGrayGhost
Banned
Excellent points, viciouskillersquirrel. I'm a little less mad at developers and publishers.
I get this a lot, and I'm not sure why. The disruption model projects that the XBOX 360/PS3 will be decimated and forgotten in due time, but that doesn't mean that genres that were successful on those consoles will cease to be so. It just means that these genres will have to be reshaped in accordance with the disruption. The FPS will not go away, but how games are made within the genre will have to change. This what Nintendo is attempting to do with its games. (Although others have argued with me on this, I think NSMB, PH, and MKWii are the first three Nintendo legacy games to be reshaped in the disruption.)
Right now, that seems to be the case.
HK-47 said:
I get this a lot, and I'm not sure why. The disruption model projects that the XBOX 360/PS3 will be decimated and forgotten in due time, but that doesn't mean that genres that were successful on those consoles will cease to be so. It just means that these genres will have to be reshaped in accordance with the disruption. The FPS will not go away, but how games are made within the genre will have to change. This what Nintendo is attempting to do with its games. (Although others have argued with me on this, I think NSMB, PH, and MKWii are the first three Nintendo legacy games to be reshaped in the disruption.)
HK-47 said:
Right now, that seems to be the case.
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