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IGN reviews WiiMusic (Music Game of the Year?)

Gaborn said:
Because Matt Cassamassina is the definitive authority on what is good.

Don't worry. He won't be the only one to murder the game when it comes to reviews. Like I said, it doesn't really matter. The game will sell 10 million at least because it has Wii in the title.
 

dyls

Member
Drinky Crow said:
mods, please move this to off-topic

That's actually a great idea. Having a discussion about this without the unyielding baggage of the hardcore gamer would be amazing.
 

Gaborn

Member
Nintaiyo said:
This is Matt playing the game:

http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/827335/wii-music/videos/wiimusic_101508_5.html

I'm pretty sure he doesn't get it.

The saddest thing about the video is it misses the point. Theoretically any song can be performed with any instruments. The trick is that when you're performing songs understanding that some instruments are going to sound significantly better and some songs are going to sound significantly worse. I'm beginning to think that Matt was worried if the videos were ACTUALLY fair representations of what the game is capable of it would attract more people to it, so not only did he do the videos to mock the game... he did it in a deliberate attempt to make it seem that that was all the game WAS... bad decisions, bad songs, and bad sounding "noise"

eastside49er - I'm sure he won't be, it's interesting though that you acted like Cassamassina's review mattered and the 1up review didn't. I expect a broad range of review scores, both positive and negative on the title, you seem to want to cherry pick the negative ones.
 

freddy

Banned
dyls said:
That's actually a great idea. Having a discussion about this without the unyielding baggage of the hardcore gamer would be amazing.

Its actually pretty funny when you think about it. It's like going to see a band you don't like every week and sitting around asking
"Am I supposed to like this?" "Tell me why I should like this piece of shit song"

Wii Music has become the latest and greatest threat and people are watching it nervously and taking as many jabs as they can from the sidelines.
 
eastside49er said:
Another Wii game gets murdered. Of course I'm sure it will sell 10 million since it has Wii in the title. Shows you how stupid society truly is.

I couldn't agree more! Centuries from now, I have no doubt that historians will look back at the early 21st century and identify the fact that many people bought a game that Matt Cassamassina didn't like as evidence that we were all part of a stupid society. Perhaps more than anything, video game sales not reflecting the opinions of video game journalists shows just how primative the human race really is. I predict that humans will ultimately evolve into a perfect being. Then (and only then) will sales-age finally mirror the opinions of all-knowing video game critics.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
It's probably not a great game like 1Up says, but anyone who takes IGN reviews seriously at this point is nuts. Out of every internet review site, they're the worst. They're fucking stupid.
 
omg rite said:
It's probably not a great game like 1Up says, but anyone who takes IGN reviews seriously at this point is nuts. Out of every internet review site, they're the worst. They're fucking stupid.

At least they don't sell their review scores to the developers like gamespot
 

wsippel

Banned
TheHeretic said:
If I knew why the game had to be MIDI why would I have asked the question in the first place?
Well, first of all, there are 60 songs with six tracks each, and 60 instruments you can assign to those tracks. If you wanted to use prerecorded audio tracks, you'd have to record every single possible combination, several thousand tracks. We're talking many, many GB of audio data here. But that's not even the biggest issue.

The biggest issue is that you need to be able to add/ remove/ change every single note for each track on the fly, change groove, volume, pitch and sustain for each individual note in every track. You can't really do that with prerecorded audio, because you need the individual notes.

The only thing Nintendo could have done would have been using better MIDI kits (a collection of individual, usually single note samples). But good MIDI kits can take up to several GB for a single instrument, too - and you can't stream a MIDI kit from an optical drive. The kit has to fit in RAM. You could use one kit per instrument with about 8MB per kit, but that would make the game more sluggish, as it would take several seconds to change an instrument.
 
Coolio McAwesome said:
I couldn't agree more! Centuries from now, I have no doubt that historians will look back at the early 21st century and identify the fact that many people bought a game that Matt Cassamassina didn't like as evidence that we were all part of a stupid society. Perhaps more than anything, video game sales not reflecting the opinions of video game journalists shows just how primative the human race really is. I predict that humans will ultimately evolve into a perfect being. Then (and only then) will sales-age finally mirror the opinions of all-knowing video game critics.

Actually they will look back and see that a company (Nintendo) could make any game with the word "Wii" to start the title and sell millions, even though just about every one of these titles are big steaming piles of elephant shit and they will try and figure out why so many people bought them. Yes they will ask questions like, "This games sucks. How come so many bought it?" No answers will come of these questions because no one can even explain it today when it is actually happening.

They will also ask why supposed gamers defended the Wii and Nintendo tooth and nail. It is like an environmentalist defending a tree by chaining him or herself to the trunk, only to find out that the rest of the tree has already been sawed off, yet they continue to defend the trunk.
 

Christine

Member
avatar299 said:
Oh please do tell us about the people who turned the corner, Gitaroo. Is Sporsk an "Nintard" now?

That's a leading question, much like "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Sp0rsk has always been a Nintard, duh.
 

Gaborn

Member
tabsina said:
that was an epic post you linked to there

Indeed, but as I said at the time I'm STILL glad that Count Dookake didn't try to birdroll us considering the way he started it.
 

beef3483

Member
It's fun seeing the same old arguments rehashed over and over.

drohne said:
i love the different reactions to different wii music videos -- they're all the same awful racket, but the reactions are determined by how the racket is framed

if it's framed by reggie and cammy's pandering or by matt c's depressing species of dissent, ninthings are displeased

if it's framed by sporks calling out the haterz or by the gospel of the new messiah jesus christ rodrigo, ninthings 'turn the corner'

this is fine comedy, but somebody ought to attach measuring devices to your salivary glands and conduct a good sound experiment

And then you have Drohne, the nintendo hating wind-up doll.

P.S., Drohne. You're constant fixation on demeaning things that gives others enjoyment makes you far more pathetic than any Ninthing could ever possibly be.
 
eastside49er said:
Actually they will look back and see that a company (Nintendo) could make any game with the word "Wii" to start the title and sell millions, even though just about every one of these titles are big steaming piles of elephant shit and they will try and figure out why so many people bought them. Yes they will ask questions like, "This games sucks. How come so many bought it?" No answers will come of these questions because no one can even explain it today when it is actually happening.

They will also ask why supposed gamers defended the Wii and Nintendo tooth and nail. It is like an environmentalist defending a tree by chaining him or herself to the trunk, only to find out that the rest of the tree has already been sawed off, yet they continue to defend the trunk.

I'll explain it. Wii Sports is fun, Wii Fit is fun, Wii Music looks pretty fun, and WiiPlay is $10. Is it really so hard to grasp!?!
 

Gaborn

Member
Coolio McAwesome said:
I'll explain it. Wii Sports is fun, Wii Fit is fun, Wii Music looks pretty fun, and WiiPlay is $10. Is it really so hard to grasp!?!

Fun is for casual gamers. Hardcore gamers are more sophisticated than that.
 
Coolio McAwesome said:
I'll explain it. Wii Sports is fun, Wii Fit is fun, Wii Music looks pretty fun, and WiiPlay is $10. Is it really so hard to grasp!?!

None of those games are fun, but it was funny how this was your response to my post, LOL! :lol

Keep up the good fight.
 

Staccat0

Fail out bailed
Amir0x said:
Again, the 1up review and IGN review perfectly illustrates my point. Nothing has changed from E3 2008 until now. The concept is a polarity: I doubt you very well can take a middle ground stance, except to not care at all. Lovers can keep loving, haters can keep hating. Everything that haters hated on in the E3 2008 unveil is exactly the same now, in all its horror. Everything that lovers were intrigued by is still there. And those who claimed to "hate" it before but now love it simply did not read up on the concept, and that is their own fault.
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALSE!!!
Ban thyself for your lies!:lol
I follow IGN's podcast, 1up yours, 1up fm and other gaming podcasts. I read a banned blog reglarly that features only Nintendo news (I read similar blogs for the other platforms as well)
I knew everything that you could know from the e3 coverage.

I used to hate it and now I'm nuetral:D
 

Gaborn

Member
eastside49er said:
None of those games are fun, but it was funny how this was your response to my post, LOL! :lol

Keep up the good fight.

Odd, first eastside thinks Matt Cassmassina is the only authority on Wii Music and 1up apparently doesn't exist in his world, then he thinks that he alone is the sole arbiter of what is fun and to whom. I'm beginning to think he has a Napoleon complex.
 

wazoo

Member
ccharla said:
I think Wii Music is an interesting experiment, but I'm curious why you think kids will like it? Or rather, what aged kids? My son (8) wasn't impressed with the game at Pax, and this is a kid who is obsessed unhealthily with Rock Band. I was really surprised, becuase he is totally ga-ga for Nintendo. Still, Pax probably wasn't the best environment to play it in.

I think the GH crowd will not like Wii Music, because GH told them for years they were good at music, even if they had no skills. Wii music is horrific for people with no musical skills, because instead of going the "just try to mimic me and pretend to be a musician" like GH, it is more "what do you want to do with the music, boss ?".



I'm also not so convinced on the sales side. I worry that it's so "pretend" that it will be hard for casual users to get past their embarassment. Pretending to bowl is one thing. Pretending to be one of the horn players from the Cantina scene in Star Wars (which is what anyone playing Wii Music looks like to me) may be a step too far.

People were already saying that for wii sports and we got arguments like "you can just play by hardly moving". In the end, people love to overplay their movements.

I'm not surprised at all at the range of reviews. It will be interesting to see if it takes off.

Yes
 

Staccat0

Fail out bailed
eastside49er said:
None of those games are fun, but it was funny how this was your response to my post, LOL! :lol

Keep up the good fight.
Wii Sports isnt fun?
I know its just an oppinion, but nearly every wii sold has been on the virtues of Wii Sports. People seem to find it fun. $250 fun.

I cant wait till next year where I get to hear about how LBP isnt fun...:lol
 

freddy

Banned
Gaborn said:
Odd, first eastside thinks Matt Cassmassina is the only authority on Wii Music and 1up apparently doesn't exist in his world, then he thinks that he alone is the sole arbiter of what is fun and to whom. I'm beginning to think he has a Napoleon complex.
Yea eastside your not doing yourself any favours here really. You're coming off as quite close minded and...well.
 

Gaborn

Member
Staccat0 said:
Wii Sports isnt fun?
I know its just an oppinion, but nearly every wii sold has been on the virtues of Wii Sports. People seem to find it fun. $250 fun.

Especially since for SOOOOOOOOO long HD console fans (as I was actually accused of being earlier... *looks at time* yesterday) would often stereotype Wii users with the claim that people were just buying the system for Wii Sports and not getting any other games for it.

Wazoo - and really, the art argument isn't a bad one. Who DOESN'T like to see great graphics or an innovative, high quality art direction? Where I start to disagree is the "mature" gaming. I think that "mature" has really become the definition a young teenage boy would use. "guns 'n blood 'n blowing stuff up." I mean, seriously. So much "mature" gaming seems to be based on how violent or how bloody a game is. And I don't have a problem with that, I like a good FPS as much as the next guy, but more and more those types of games seem to be taking the place of deep RPGs and other genres.
 
Gaborn said:
Odd, first eastside thinks Matt Cassmassina is the only authority on Wii Music and 1up apparently doesn't exist in his world, then he thinks that he alone is the sole arbiter of what is fun and to whom. I'm beginning to think he has a Napoleon complex.

I was giving my own opinion on those games since I have played all of them except for Wii Music of course. They aren't fun. If you want to see my version of what a great gaming experience is, go play Dead Space.
 

Staccat0

Fail out bailed
Gaborn said:
Especially since for SOOOOOOOOO long HD console fans (as I was actually accused of being earlier... *looks at time* yesterday) would often stereotype Wii users with the claim that people were just buying the system for Wii Sports and not getting any other games for it.
right! say what you will about the Wii and its many issues, but Wii Sports seems to be considered rather fun by the average person without an agenda.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
IGN Fails so hard. No the Gaming Industry just doesn`t get it.
 
freddy said:
Yea eastside your not doing yourself any favours here really. You're coming off as quite close minded and...well.

If I hadn't played those games, you could say that. Since I have and I'm giving my own personal opinion on the matter, I sound like every other joe with an opinion. Either you like it or you hate it.

Considering the responses, I must be pushing some ones buttons for people to come at me with personal attacks or they know I'm right deep down inside.
 

fresquito

Member
If Matt can present me a video of himself performing a song properly, then I might believe his point, if not, he's point remains pretty useless.
 
eastside49er said:
None of those games are fun, but it was funny how this was your response to my post, LOL! :lol

Keep up the good fight.

Strange, because I had fun with those games and it seems to me like I personally know a lot of people who had fun with those games. What's even stranger is that some of those all-knowing game journalists have even suggested that the games are fun. It's almost as if people can have different opinions or something.
 

stilgar

Member
.hacked said:
I hope a few more crap "games" like this help turn public opinion against the Wii.

I dislike the system.


Besides all my benevolence to not consider this like a stupid bitter troll from angry person, I suggest you to stay out of wii threads.
 

The M.O.B

Member
Does anybody know if somebody is planning on starting the Official Thread?

Missed not being able to do the CV thread. Since im prolly gonna get this day one, I figure it's time for a Complete roundup of impressions,vids, etc.
 

Gaborn

Member
Staccat0 said:
right! say what you will about the Wii and its many issues, but Wii Sports seems to be considered rather fun by the average person without an agenda.

Yep. I mean, it's not a "complex" game, and it only got middling review score I believe (wasn't it in the 70s on meta critic?) but it's just simple fun. It's kind of the gaming equivalent to a movie like The Water Boy which the critics HATED but the public liked a lot

Edit - I was right, 76% on meta critic, 9.0 among it's users.
 
Coolio McAwesome said:
Strange, because I had fun with those games and it seems to me like I personally know a lot of people who had fun with those games. What's even stranger is that some of those all-knowing game journalists have even suggested that the games are fun. It's almost as if people can have different opinions or something.

What did you interpret my post for being? Fact? :lol

Obviously I was giving my OWN opinion and I have said so to not 1, not 2, but 3 people now.

The only fact I presenting was that IGN will not be the only reviewer to murder Wii Music. Others will as well.

I also threw in a sarcasm post to match a sarcasm post thrown at me, for which I got a "I think those games are fun" response, LOL! :lol I expected more, but was disappointed as usual. Must be the Nintendo rubbing off. ;)
 
eastside49er said:
If I hadn't played those games, you could say that. Since I have and I'm giving my own personal opinion on the matter, I sound like every other joe with an opinion. Either you like it or you hate it.

Considering the responses, I must be pushing some ones buttons for people to come at me with personal attacks or they know I'm right deep down inside.

eastside49er said:
What did you interpret my post for being? Fact? :lol

Obviously I was giving my OWN opinion and I have said so to not 1, not 2, but 3 people now.

The only fact I presenting was that IGN will not be the only reviewer to murder Wii Music. Others will as well.

I also threw in a sarcasm post to match a sarcasm post thrown at me, for which I got a "I think those games are fun" response, LOL! :lol I expected more, but was disappointed as usual. Must be the Nintendo rubbing off. ;)

You're not just giving your opinions on the game, though. You're suggesting that people are "stupid" if they don't share your opinion. You are clutching at straws by suggesting that people who disagree with you are only doing so because they really know "deep down" that you are right. You have to learn to accept that different people will have different opinions. People who disagree with you are not stupid, nor are people who have fun playing a game that you did not personally enjoy.
 
One shitty game (looked shitty from the beginning too, let's not kid ourselves) means the end of Nintendo?

Some of you take this console wars bullshit way too seriously. Go outside. Or, at the very least, to another website. Clear your head.
 
Coolio McAwesome said:
You're not just giving your opinions on the game, though. You're suggesting that people are "stupid" if they don't share your opinion. You are clutching at straws by suggesting that people who disagree with you are only doing so because they really know "deep down" that you are right. You have to learn to accept that different people will have different opinions. People who disagree with you are not stupid, nor are people who have fun playing a game that you did not personally enjoy.

I don't care if you disagree with me or not. I also never called any one a name, unless you are that part of society which I consider stupid when it comes to making purchases, ala, not doing any research and just buying because this or that is the hot item to have, aka, the Wii.

Any way, thanks for the fanboy attacks. I enjoyed the laugh.
 

freddy

Banned
eastside49er said:
I was giving my own opinion on those games since I have played all of them except for Wii Music of course. They aren't fun. If you want to see my version of what a great gaming experience is, go play Dead Space.
He was giving his opinion and you shot it down with what amounts to "no your opinion is wrong these games arent fun"

eastside49er said:
None of those games are fun, but it was funny how this was your response to my post, LOL!

Keep up the good fight.
Youre not hurting anyone deep down you're just being called out on shit you think noone is smart enough to pick up on.
 

just tray

Banned
Was wondering when Nintendo would jump on the shovelware bandwagon. I'm going down my list of people I hate that own Wiis and convincing their mothers,husbands,wives,brothers,sisters, or whoever else is close to them to leave Wii Music as a stocking stuffer this X-Mas and to make sure they know that it was my idea. Hope I don't get shot.
 
eastside49er said:
I don't care if you disagree with me or not. I also never called any one a name, unless you are that part of society which I consider stupid when it comes to making purchases, ala, not doing any research and just buying because this or that is the hot item to have, aka, the Wii.

Any way, thanks for the fanboy attacks. I enjoyed the laugh.

You've already suggested that those who disagree with your personal opinions are only doing so because they secretly know that you're right. That, to me, sounds like you care very much about whether or not people agree with your opinions. Now you are suggesting that my responses to you are somehow "fanboy attacks." If by saying that I had fun with Wii Sports is somehow an "fanboy attack" then I'm guilty as charged. But let's just keep in mind that you're the one that couldn't seem to grasp why Wii-branded games were selling so well. When I offered a valid explanation (that they're fun) you responded with a clever emoticon, said LOL, and effectively laughed at my opinion. Again, I suggest you learn to accept the fact that other people may not enjoy the same things as you do.
 

Shahadan

Member
So Matt has suddenly gained a massive credibility, so big that it's completely obliterating any other review or opinion from people who actually played the game, unlike you. Ok, got it.

He's usually bashed and called a fanboy but when he says what you want to hear, he's speaking the truth AND WE MUST jump in the wagon fast.

On the other hand people claim that Matt doesn't understand the game, but don't bother question his credibility either when he gives a good score to something else (although I must admit, his video is a bit....weird.)


And with that, we learn from a good fellow that society is full of stupid people. The society, not us, the smart hardcore gamerz.
 
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