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Ill never go full digital until these things happen

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Why do people bring up trading in games so much? Is that 50 cents GameStop gives you for a game you paid $60 for really that important?
This is a really disingenuous comment. Buy any Nintendo game for $60 on release and watch how fast you can sell it on ebay for $45-50 after you beat it.
 
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I didn't say the game requires an internet connection to play. I said that the discs by themselves are useless because the game is not in them, so you need to download the rest of the game. If the game is ever delisted or something you'll lose acess to the game even if you have the cd.

I think you said:
You can't buy a physical game that properly works out of the box. Half the game is missing.
I content that you can buy a physical game that works properly. Sony TLOURemaster works just fine for example. Nintendo MK8 Delux also plays just fine. Just 2 examples.

Want 3rd party releases? MKXL for PS4. Shovel Knight for Switch.
 
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Please consider adding ownership, sentimental and monetary value, and license restrictions to the OP.

I got 'stuck' with digital when i went PC only last gen. I would never go back to physical now. As for prices, thats where PC comes into its own. If you know where to look, you can get games dirt cheap, even new games at near half price etc.
I don't care about price, this is supposed to be an expensive, luxurious hobby that we're all lucky to have. It's the fact that you are restricted in the ownership of the license, and that you don't really feel like your "collection" is sentimental, I have 600+ games in my Steam library and I can't display them on my shelf or feel proud of them. Just because it's something individuals like for their own convenience and financial prosperity it shouldn't affect everyone else.
 

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I went all-digital when Gamepass became a thing. The last game i bought was Divinity 2 (and i'll buy Baldurs gate 3 day one). Other than that, the gaming industry hasn't earned a bean off of me - except the £1 a month cost of gamepass
 

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good for you

but intangible goods have never really been yours, even though you may make a few bucks from trading old cardboard and plastic
 
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Never is very definitive. What if none of your conditions are met but in time physical game delivery just becomes so niche that eventually manufacturers don't support it?
 
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Wait, you called my comment disingenuous when I specifically said trading in to GameStop and you replied with selling on eBay.
If you are selling your games back to gamestop you are doing it wrong.
Of course you would sell them on ebay or something similar.
 
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I don't get the mindset of people who care about these things. Trading in games for a pittance is really that big of a deal? This must be a poor person/college student problem.
 
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Digital is the future!

The physical media in video game industry is lucky to have survived this long... Or perhaps it is only due to the absolute stubbornness and entitlement of gamers!

The music industry was taken over by the rise of mp3s, iPod, and streaming. People still buy CDs and vinyl but they are the minority. The movie industry was taken over by the rise of digital stores like iTunes/Google Play/Amazon Prime and streaming services such as Netflix, YouTube, Disney+, Amazon, etc. Sure, some people still buy DVDs + Blu-ray but again they are in the minority.

The video game industry is next and it won't be so lucky! The reason physical media still exists for music + video is because it offers better quality. Streaming music through Spotify and watching movies on Netflix is good enough but for enthusiasts they can get better quality buying vinyl or Blu Ray.

The same can not be said for games! Games won't necessarily perform better on physical media vs digital. If anything, a game loaded onto an SSD will be accessed and load faster than what a spinning disc and laser are capable of.

People will argue "but digital music + video is easier to download/stream compared to video games!" Yes...that definitely has gave physical games a bit of extra life but there is no avoiding the fact that digital is becoming more popular which means internet quality is improving and/or more people are just accepting what the future holds by moving to digital.

The writing is on the wall. Rising digital sales. Physical game sales falling. Microsoft buttered up everyone with the All Digital Xbox One S and now Sony is firing a warning shot with the All Digital PS5. Oh no, physical media will stick around for a while yet but it's only a matter of time.

You can try hang onto your discs and drives for dear life but you'll need to let go eventually. It's best to just do it now and get it over with. There is no avoiding it. If you refuse to go digital then your only option will be to not play games. Us on PC have been all digital for years. I haven't bought a physical PC game since 2005. Trust me, it's really not that bad. In fact it is simply better.

Tick tock.
 

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Yes they have the all digital boxes coming, good thing it's s choice because for me going all digital is anti consumer especially when it is limiting my options of what I can do with my purchased games.

1. The herpes effect: with digital much like with herpes once you get it your stuck with it, I usually doa good amount of research on games but every now and then you have a purchase you regret and you could be stuck with it

2. The Trade In Effect: with my digital games there are no options to sell my license of the game I bought back to said company for credit below the purchase price. When Im done with a game much like physical, if I dont want it anymore there should be an option to give my license back to the company for a credit on my account which is below the purchase price much like trading in games. That credit can they go to further games I wish to purchase

3. The Sellers Effect: Selling my digital license to a friend or someone online: Much like trade ins but I want to be able to sell my copy to a friend. There should be a system in place where my friend and I can agree on a price below the purchase price for said copy and he can credit money to my account which then I give him the license to my copy of the game via code of whatever it may be. This would be a good work around for friends that live in other locations as well.

The Sales Effect: psn and xbox digital sales just dont compete with physical. 9 times out of 10 have I seen cheaper physical copies of games compared to digital, i think a poster even this week showed the difference of physical games lower in price with 70% off where as the digital store still had the game at full price. I understand why people like pc gaming because there are many digital steam sales that are competitive or even third party locations which sell game codes for crazy cheap as well, once the digital store actually becomes competitive with retail stores, ill consider going digital.

It all comes down to options. People say MS especially have been pro consumer, but deep down Sony and MS with their digital games offer little incentive to actually go digital. You lose many options when going digital and you the consumer as well as your money are put on the back burner compared to physical media.

so because you made a bad choice buying a game its stuck with you? er just dont play it or install it on your console again?
 
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The writing is on the wall. Rising digital sales. Physical game sales falling. Microsoft buttered up everyone with the All Digital Xbox One S and now Sony is firing a warning shot with the All Digital PS5. Oh no, physical media will stick around for a while yet but it's only a matter of time.

You can try hang onto your discs and drives for dear life but you'll need to let go eventually. It's best to just do it now and get it over with. There is no avoiding it. If you refuse to go digital then your only option will be to not play games. Us on PC have been all digital for years. I haven't bought a physical PC game since 2005. Trust me, it's really not that bad. In fact it is simply better.
Its hilarious to me that Sony/Microsoft are the ones trying to accelerate this, like they don't realize how much better digital on PC is than console and how much gamers they'll lose. The games are way way way cheaper on PC and you have more options. If you had the choice between digital on PC and console only a sucker would choose console and they're even putting their games on PC now making the choice even easier XD. Hey let me pay more for all my games that are gonna run and look worse.
 

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My problem with digital is the pricing, too many times I seen PSN sell games that’s pretty old for near or still full price but at Walmart it’s like $20. Second I like to trade games in every once in a while for credit, I wish they put a system in place like you could sell your digital games for credit.
 

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Digital is the future!

The physical media in video game industry is lucky to have survived this long... Or perhaps it is only due to the absolute stubbornness and entitlement of gamers!

The music industry was taken over by the rise of mp3s, iPod, and streaming. People still buy CDs and vinyl but they are the minority. The movie industry was taken over by the rise of digital stores like iTunes/Google Play/Amazon Prime and streaming services such as Netflix, YouTube, Disney+, Amazon, etc. Sure, some people still buy DVDs + Blu-ray but again they are in the minority.

The video game industry is next and it won't be so lucky! The reason physical media still exists for music + video is because it offers better quality. Streaming music through Spotify and watching movies on Netflix is good enough but for enthusiasts they can get better quality buying vinyl or Blu Ray.

The same can not be said for games! Games won't necessarily perform better on physical media vs digital. If anything, a game loaded onto an SSD will be accessed and load faster than what a spinning disc and laser are capable of.

People will argue "but digital music + video is easier to download/stream compared to video games!" Yes...that definitely has gave physical games a bit of extra life but there is no avoiding the fact that digital is becoming more popular which means internet quality is improving and/or more people are just accepting what the future holds by moving to digital.

The writing is on the wall. Rising digital sales. Physical game sales falling. Microsoft buttered up everyone with the All Digital Xbox One S and now Sony is firing a warning shot with the All Digital PS5. Oh no, physical media will stick around for a while yet but it's only a matter of time.

You can try hang onto your discs and drives for dear life but you'll need to let go eventually. It's best to just do it now and get it over with. There is no avoiding it. If you refuse to go digital then your only option will be to not play games. Us on PC have been all digital for years. I haven't bought a physical PC game since 2005. Trust me, it's really not that bad. In fact it is simply better.

Tick tock.

I like you acknowledge physical media still exists for other media and then go on to say gamers who want to stay on physical won't even be able to play games.

I don't think anyone has an issue with physical and digital co existing.

It's people like you who want to kill off physical that people dislike.
 
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digital game sharing is a thing? you dont need to buy a game twice
There's a workaround, if that's what you mean.
Only works on 2 PS4s though. Set your kids PS4 as main console and you can use your own account on your own system.
 

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Us on PC have been all digital for years. I haven't bought a physical PC game since 2005.
PC games are usually way cheaper than consoles for various reasons and you can imagine why. They also have better graphic quality.

Also you can't compare games to media services like spotify (which is free, paying is an option) or netflix (which is basically xbox gamespass), of course those are convenient.
Now imagine if you had to pay 50$ for every series you wanted to enjoy.
 
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so because you made a bad choice buying a game its stuck with you? er just dont play it or install it on your console again?
That defeats the purchase because with a physical game you can trade it in for credit or find someone to buy it at a reasonable price, that was just an example I have yet to buy a game I dont like however when im done with a game and I no longer want to play it I can get some or a good majority of my money back where as digital you cant
 

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There's a workaround, if that's what you mean.
Only works on 2 PS4s though. Set your kids PS4 as main console and you can use your own account on your own system.
yeah I know, I was referring to the previous post I quoted
 

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There's a workaround, if that's what you mean.
Only works on 2 PS4s though. Set your kids PS4 as main console and you can use your own account on your own system.

I left the Xbox ecosystem but I think it might work this way on there as well. I wish that each company (And Steam) would officially endorse something like a home group. Basically if someone on your LAN has a digital game license then each system on the LAN has full access to a copy.

they might have to limit that for LAN party purposes but that’s such an edge case maybe they shouldn’t care. VPN could also be a problem I guess.
 
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In my mind there are only two problems with all digital at the moment.

1) de-listing games because of licensing issues means you don't really own what you own. If you don't have something installed and it goes away you are hosed.

2) storage sizes aren't affordable in capacities large enough to hold big libraries/collections. This is going to be even worse next gen with proprietary SSD drives.

That being said i did transition to mostly all digital this gen and didn't regret it until i realized there is no large capacity expansion solution through the beginning of next gen.

You do realise as long you own the digital game and it gets delisted you can still download it, and play it.

Next Gen consoles will be about downloading parts of the game, like Single Player, chapters, Multiplayer etc...
 
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3. The Sellers Effect: Selling my digital license to a friend or someone online: Much like trade ins but I want to be able to sell my copy to a friend. There should be a system in place where my friend and I can agree on a price below the purchase price for said copy and he can credit money to my account which then I give him the license to my copy of the game via code of whatever it may be. This would be a good work around for friends that live in other locations as well.

I've always thought this should be an option. Maybe allow each purchase to be sold only once by the original purchaser. Everything handled in store currency with a transfer fee taken by the store (so the store and the dev still profit a bit). Probably never happen, but would be nice.
 

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I've always thought this should be an option. Maybe allow each purchase to be sold only once by the original purchaser. Everything handled in store currency with a transfer fee taken by the store (so the store and the dev still profit a bit). Probably never happen, but would be nice.
Yep actually even if you limit selling your digital license once id totally be fine with that because atleast it gives me the consumer power and an option for a gamer I dont want to play anymore
 

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There's been a couple people suprised about my story about Banjo a page back. I just wanted to say, I hope it opens at least a couple of your eyes to the bullshit.

Edit: I've read through the next page, and I can't wait for all you digital only pricks to get fucked by these companies, because it WILL happen.
 
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2. The Trade In Effect: with my digital games there are no options to sell my license of the game I bought back to said company for credit below the purchase price. When Im done with a game much like physical, if I dont want it anymore there should be an option to give my license back to the company for a credit on my account which is below the purchase price much like trading in games. That credit can they go to further games I wish to purchase
I dont think you could ever sell it back to the developer... the thing about digital is that they have infinite licenses... they don't need it back...
Sell to another person though... that could work if it was allowed... MS was going to do this weren't they? until they were booed out of existence... I think they had something there...


with the introduction of ssd's there's no need for physical objects any more.. its really about making a digital used market... I thinkj that's the last hurdle
 
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Here's a possibly controversial take: Gamepass solves the core issues behind each of OP's points.
The whole idea behind buying games and then resselling them is recouping part of the cost for a product you used but doesn't plan to use anymore. In short, you're forsaking ownership of your games for the sake of saving money, which happens to be the whole idea behind gamepass.
 
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The problem with why no publisher would let you sell a digital license between you and a 'friend' (note the quotation marks around that word) at a lower cost is that because there is no physical copy that might be rare/scratched up/mint/CIB etc.. which gives it a certain perceived value. A digital licence doesn't have any of those attributes. So that publisher has no incentive for you to pay full price for a new 'mint' copy at release.

I just sold my Switch, and sold the first party games at prices slightly below RRP. they were all in mint condition. Given the hours of play of many of them, I've got a lot of entertainment out of minimal outlay. Now, same can't be said for XBox/PS4 discs as they are more prone to damage than carts are, but if I'd bought all digital on Switch I'd have squat.
 
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The problem with why no publisher would let you sell a digital license between you and a 'friend' (note the quotation marks around that word) at a lower cost is that because there is no physical copy that might be rare/scratched up/mint/CIB etc.. which gives it a certain perceived value. A digital licence doesn't have any of those attributes. So that publisher has no incentive for you to pay full price for a new 'mint' copy at release.

I just sold my Switch, and sold the first party games at prices slightly below RRP. they were all in mint condition. Given the hours of play of many of them, I've got a lot of entertainment out of minimal outlay. Now, same can't be said for XBox/PS4 discs as they are more prone to damage than carts are, but if I'd bought all digital on Switch I'd have squat.

That would be a hurdle. That's why I think the scope would need to be limited. If you limit to just one digital transfer per sale, it's not a never-ending loop. One game disk can hit the used market 10 or 15 times over and the dev gets nothing.
 

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Here's a possibly controversial take: Gamepass solves the core issues behind each of OP's points.
The whole idea behind buying games and then resselling them is recouping part of the cost for a product you used but doesn't plan to use anymore. In short, you're forsaking ownership of your games for the sake of saving money, which happens to be the whole idea behind gamepass.
Game pass or should i say welfare pass is a glorified renting service, also games can be taken off gamepass before you best them thus having to buy them much like with netflix when content leaves. I like buying my games, for digital id rather have options to give me incentive to consider it, thought i have more options with physical as a whole
 

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Game pass has made it affordable for me to go digital. With the bulk of my library being digital by virtue of being a GP subscriber, it makes sense to get the few 3rd party games that I buy every year digital. With the XSX and quick resume, it would be counterproductive to have to get up to go and swap discs.
All digital on the XSX. Probably hybrid on the PS5.
 

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If I was a PC gamer, going digital only would probably bother me more. I hate the fact I need some external program (Steam, Origin) to be able to play a game I have bought and own.

With consoles I feel more like really owning them. Sure, can't sell then but money is meant to give me joy.
You don't own them in either case.

When Sony drops store support for the PS3 (for example) you won't be able to redownload your games. That's fine if you have them all downloaded but what happens when the PS3 or the HDD dies? Think about how much money you put into a digital PS3 collection and how it's all gone at that point. In the meantime, your physical PS2 and earlier games are still yours to play anytime and on any compatible machine.
 
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i've been digital for 17 years, feeling like an old man

bring on the holodeck
 

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i've been digital for 17 years, feeling like an old man

bring on the holodeck

On consoles though....

17 years ago we were playing on the PS2 and Gamecube (some people were playing on the Xbox). Now let me ask you, if digital purchases were allowed for those systems do you think that the stores would still be open for redownloads?
 

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On consoles though....

17 years ago we were playing on the PS2 and Gamecube (some people were playing on the Xbox). Now let me ask you, if digital purchases were allowed for those systems do you think that the stores would still be open for redownloads?
i dunno, probably not

not the right guy to answer these questions since i want the analogue world to come to an end
 

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I went full digital when I first did a major upgrade on my rig eons ago. Regretted it. Gaming felt so hollow and disposable when all a game was, was an icon in a game list and some data on a hard disk/SSD. I switched back to consoles and physical gaming this gen. I'm never going back. I'll give up the hobby before I lose grip of my precious physical games :messenger_savoring:. Physical gaming forever.
 

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Digital games are good when they are dirt cheap. A new release digital game in Australia is $30 more than the physical copy, work that one out!

But when the PS store has a sale, some times, only some times, they have some good sales. Like for some reason Far Cry 5 was still $89.95 on the PS store which is outrageous but they put it as deal of the week and I bought it for $13.99. I never got around to playing it so thought it was worth it at that price. Someone chime in here if it's not, have not started playing it yet.

It's crazy to me that anyone would consider the digital only PS5 in the Australian Market, the money you saved between the two PS5 versions would have been spent within 2-3 bought digital games.

Even physical games that requires part or most of the installation via download, you can still on sell. If digital games matched the physical prices and we could at least gift them like Steam for example then I would be on board with digital only.
 

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Due to heavy patching and content updates, I only collect physical games from the NES up through the PS3/360/Wii U. It’s just not the same as it was whether I like it or not.

Since I’m pretty okay with digital now, I don’t really get as much need to play things on Day 1 anymore. I think a bit of the collecting itch would drive a lot of those purchases.

Now GamePass and Humble Monthly keep me pretty busy by themselves on top of my incredibly deep backlog.
 

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That's fine if you have them all downloaded but what happens when the PS3 or the HDD dies?

There's a lot of "ifs" in life. I'm not really one to worry about the ifs of gaming and whether or not I'm going to be able to play some game 10 years from now. If I can, great, if not, that's a shame but I'll either buy it again or move on to other games. It is not that big of a deal, they are just games after all.
 

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The positives well outweighs the negatives to me. Glad I switched to digital, it makes things so much easier, cleaner and simpler.
 

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Ultimately, why not both? I feel far too many companies leave out consumers and only want to cater to one market.

I'm sure this is a test run for Sony and if the digital does well, they'll push hard for all digital next generation. Instead, I would continue to offer physical for as long as there is a profitable market for it. Sell both versions of the consoles even if it means you have to mark up the disc version. Give people options and satisfy everyone instead of just one group.
 

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Fair points, especially on sales. Aside from Steam, console digital discounts just don't match the deals you can get with physical copies.

My biggest gripe with digital is that if you lose access to the account, then you lose access to your games.