BlueXImpulse
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No meltdowns just interested in knowing why NVIO and DS are being developed since PC doesn't need either.
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Inside Unreal: In-depth look at PS5's Lumen in the land Of Nanite demo(only 6.14gb of geometry) and Deep dive into Nanite
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No meltdowns just interested in knowing why NVIO and DS are being developed since PC doesn't need either.
SLB1904
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Not on yours for sure
DonJuanSchlong
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It'll be useful in the future games. It's not needed now, but I wouldn't mind having it.
BlueXImpulse
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The future games that will use UE5. The future games that can run on next gen consoles well today, but not PC.
Werewolfgrandma
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I don't recall anyone saying it was played with a controller. Could be wrong though. Just don't recall.
DonJuanSchlong
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What games are those, which requires it? Ps5 games are eventually coming, so maybe those ones?
bitbydeath
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Did anyone really say it wouldn’t run on PC?
Epic said it would, just not at the same fidelity as the PS5 because the engine has been built with PS5’s fast IO speeds in mind.
Fast SSD storage is key to the Unreal Engine 5 demo's super detailed scenes
Along with a good GPU, you'll need a speedy drive if you want to run UE5 games at the level of detail shown in the demo.
www.pcgamer.com
The recent demo attests to this as the textures are seen running it at 4K on PC while PS5 had those textures running at 8K.
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BlueXImpulse
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PC will run all of these future games better than next gen consoles when NVIO is released but not today that’s the argument
DonJuanSchlong
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This is the same demo ps5 ran. So 8k assets and all, within the editor. And yes people said it wasn't possible to run this demo on PC. They were saying that in last year's thread, the threadDid anyone really say it wouldn’t run on PC?
Epic said it would, just not at the same fidelity as the PS5 because the engine has been built with PS5’s fast IO speeds in mind.
Fast SSD storage is key to the Unreal Engine 5 demo's super detailed scenes
Along with a good GPU, you'll need a speedy drive if you want to run UE5 games at the level of detail shown in the demo.
The recent demo attests to this as the textures are now running at 4K instead of 8K.
VFXVeteran
made, and the one with this year's demo. I'm pretty sure in other threads as well like the coalition one, etc. We all knew that was bs though. And now it's time for people to enjoy the extra salt with a side of crow.
Unknown?
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Don't bother, he's putting on a show. Deep down this guy is in love with consoles. He just is still in his closet.
just shut up.....you spreading fud....there are already ppl.running 4k textures without problem from an hdd.......and at res of 4k 60fps from a 970 Evo.....stop it it becoming embarassing to read some of you trying to defend this i/o pure PR nonseseDid anyone really say it wouldn’t run on PC?
Epic said it would, just not at the same fidelity as the PS5 because the engine has been built with PS5’s fast IO speeds in mind.
Fast SSD storage is key to the Unreal Engine 5 demo's super detailed scenes
Along with a good GPU, you'll need a speedy drive if you want to run UE5 games at the level of detail shown in the demo.
The recent demo attests to this as the textures are now running at 4K instead of 8K.
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DonJuanSchlong
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What games runs better on console than on PC though? Examples? Not trying to war, but I'd honestly love to know what games I'm missing on performance?
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BlueXImpulse
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Pc runs all current games better than consoles. If there is a UE5 title that is 120GB that needs fast streaming next gen consoles will run those better because of the decompression hardware that NVIO is working to match
DonJuanSchlong
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Any examples of said titles? RTX I/O and DirectStorage is coming out soon, way before any of these said titles.
Md Ray
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Dude, I'm upset. Why didn't you tag me there?
bitbydeath
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The assets were 8K on PS5 only.This is the same demo ps5 ran. So 8k assets and all, within the editor. And yes people said it wasn't possible to run this demo on PC. They were saying that in last year's thread, the thread
We all knew that was bs though. And now it's time for people to enjoy the extra salt with a side of crow.
The recent demo had 4k assets on PC.
BlueXImpulse
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Do you doubt that these titles will ever come out? If developers have access to fast decompression they will use it.
DonJuanSchlong
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Not gonna lie, I was going to. But I don't recall you making nefarious claims. There's several people I could have tagged, but I figured they'll see this thread anyways. Nothing like the sweet, "I told you so". Sometimes you don't even have to say it.Dude, I'm upset. Why didn't you tag me there?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Im not really going to continue this much.
This will effectively be my last post regarding this topic.
In editor with everything turned on, it WILL be more taxing than the compiled game at the same settings.
Yes you can turn things off in editor, but in like for like, because you would need like for like to see what your game actually looks like....the editor version is more taxing.
You would need to see what the final game looks like but would still need to have the engine base overhead running at the same time....its the reason Dev Systems almost always have way way higher specs than what you would actually need to run the game.
It is possible to say use editor mode at 720p, with lower LODs, lower textures, lower resolution lighting etc etc throughout and then compile the game at full wormage, but its not really productive to do that because you are effectively compiling blind.....but in a like for like run, where all settings are equal....the editor running the game will beat the system up more than the fully compiled game would.
Because technology never stands still....we must always keep moving forward.
Current PCs already have CPUs and SSDs that can load/decompress data at the same rate as the XSX....its up to devs to actually utilize them. And then theres always the caveat of will enough PCs be able to give up cores to do this decompression in realtime?
DirectStorage and RTX IO are just advancements on said technology.
RTX IO has a throughput multiple times that of the PS5 even if PCs dont have dedicated decompression chips.....PCs will literally use a CPU core to do that decompression....again its up to the devs to implement that.
If a dev wanted during a loading section they could give up 3 cores to decompress and load data superfast without even needing RTXIO.
But again how many PCs can give up 3 cores even if only for a second when the current most popular core count is 4 with 6 and 8 rather slowly catching up.
But with RTXIO only half a core would be used to read at absolutely ridiculous speeds.
Its all up to devs...Sony was just clever by putting dedicated hardware to do that job.
Respect for their forethought but dont think its something that current PCs simply cant do, its more something that devs look at the current PC landscape and think well not many people will actually be able to give up the processing power.
Once RTX IO hits half a core for blistering speed.....well skies the limit.
bitbydeath
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I’m spreading facts, with links and quotes to everything I say. You’re in denial.
DenchDeckard
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A lot of crow to be served here. Holy fuck! What a lot of people have been saying for over a year. There should be some genuine apologies handed out to members here.
DonJuanSchlong
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Did you even watch the video? We're discussing the ps5 demo, running on PC. Not the demo from last week or whatever. We're talking about last year's demo with the 8k assets, running within the editor, on PC. That video. Watch it.
bitbydeath
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Yes 4K assets on PC.
The video only confirms it runs on PC because there were people saying it wouldn’t.
DonJuanSchlong
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Where did they say they downgraded the assets? Timestamp, link, quote, etc? You got any factual proof
bitbydeath
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
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Md Ray
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DonJuanSchlong
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What's up with her right hand though? Looks weird afYour Avatar was perfect for that post.
DenchDeckard
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Honestly, mate. Take your win and don't get stressed. It's not worth it. These are epic engineers who literally start the video saying "some people have said this would only run on a PS5, that is not the case"
You got the dub!
VFXVeteran
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I'm not even surprised. I knew all along that the PS5 wasn't anywhere near it's maximum throughput on that first demo. Also, you had to be able to run it in the editor mode on PC in order to even compile out to PS5. And PS5 is just a devkit and NOT a full blown PC where you can run applications straight from it's OS.
I hope we can now put to bed all of this nonsense that somehow the SSD->VRAM will be a bottleneck for any other platform. I'm just sad that people had to hear it from the actual developer instead of believing in other developers (hint hint) that have been in the industry and knows about workflows and limitations of hardware. Oh well..maybe next time.
I hope you people can apply this revelation to the other games that people think won't run on a PC/XSX - mainly R&C and the FUD about Demon Souls doing the same thing (which it's not and I've already proven that in my review of the game).
One other thing - I hope we can throw away the famous FUD about games being designed first for consoles and then ported *UP* to PC. It's complete and utter nonsense. All these games are made on PC first and then ported *DOWN* to the consoles.
I hope we can now put to bed all of this nonsense that somehow the SSD->VRAM will be a bottleneck for any other platform. I'm just sad that people had to hear it from the actual developer instead of believing in other developers (hint hint) that have been in the industry and knows about workflows and limitations of hardware. Oh well..maybe next time.
I hope you people can apply this revelation to the other games that people think won't run on a PC/XSX - mainly R&C and the FUD about Demon Souls doing the same thing (which it's not and I've already proven that in my review of the game).
One other thing - I hope we can throw away the famous FUD about games being designed first for consoles and then ported *UP* to PC. It's complete and utter nonsense. All these games are made on PC first and then ported *DOWN* to the consoles.
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DonJuanSchlong
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I still got love for all the doubters here. I may come off as an asshole sometimes. But it's all love. I have nothing personal against y'all. Here to have fun and discuss. So please don't hate me.
although I was fucking right all along!
although I was fucking right all along!
SLB1904
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Pixar quality hands. You won't get it
bitbydeath
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This link:Where did they say they downgraded the assets? Timestamp, link, quote, etc? You got any factual proof
Scroll down to the section called Data Size, it’s not downgraded, just scaling down as was said in the first quote I posted.
Snake29
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Correct...within the editor, is something else then running everything enabled with all mechanics.
Just look at how the performance drops when he starts playing the demo:
DonJuanSchlong
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This is nothing to do with the video or demo ran. It's running the ps5 demo, I suggest you actually watch the video and keep up with the discussion of this thread. 8k assets, running the ps5 demo, without having to stream or load anything. It's pretty impressive, and it sucks that you haven't even watched it yet, but decided to respond to a thread on which you have no clue about.
bitbydeath
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I enjoy the chat
bitbydeath
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I did watch it. I didn’t see anywhere that it stated directly it had 8K textures or ran at the same settings? Can you point out the timestamp if I missed it?
DenchDeckard
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Within the first 2 minutes you have a flat out statement that there is a "misconception" about this demo and that it runs fine in engine, in the editor on a PC. These are the actual Devs saying this. The Demo would run on a PC, it would run on an Xbox, it would run on a PS5. It is not using the special Cerny sauce. Tim got paid and took us all for a ride.
bitbydeath
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They state the misconception as not running at all. That’s very different to running it at lower settings like the recent demo showed.
DonJuanSchlong
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It's running the ps5 demo. Nothing in it changed. No downgrade of textures from 8k to 4k like you stated. Only difference is, it's running in a much more resource heavy state, being that it's running the editor on top. And there were 2 bikes added to the demo. That's literally the only difference.
bitbydeath
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Was that stated though or are you just expecting that to be the case despite the newer demo running with 4K textures?
GuinGuin
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Ratchet and Horizon look better.
DonJuanSchlong
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They said they are running the ps5 demo. I don't knows why you are implying things were downgraded. Why don't you provide a link to say otherwise. No one else is pushing this "downgraded textures", but you. So link, timestamp, etc?or even visual difference in a picture form would be acceptable. If not, there's no reason to state or even think otherwise.
bitbydeath
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I already supplied the link, different demo but same engine. PC running the PS5 demo is like saying the Switch runs Witcher 3. I’m not contesting it doesn’t.
VFXVeteran
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OK guys. At this point, I would ask the mods to shut you up. It's THAT ridiculous.
Not only did you ignore the author of the technique about this demo and explanations about the hardware and it's limits, you are continuously trying to push an agenda even AFTER the author of the technique tells you otherwise. First it was a demo only made for PS5 because of it's sole piece of SSD->VRAM pipeline and no other hardware could render the demo. Then when the recent demo comes out, it's "well that demo was scaled down to work on PC/XSX". Now it's "well the author doesn't play the entire compiled out demo with FX in the video so he hasn't proven anything".
To the non-Sony warriors, it's not worth arguing page after page after page with these guys' PS5 superiority train. They will spin anything and everything to not admit they were being too fanboyish and needed to come back to earth in 2021.
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