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News Intel fires away at Apple in a war of PC vs Mac

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Uh, so apple thingy vs apple thingy. I get it now.


They are into ARM CPUs for longer than a decade.
Like for like, the only way to attach "impressive" to it is in conjunction with "for an ARM CPU".
I realize it still might make a huge difference to people within the walled garden.
Where else would M1 make sense? :goog_rolleyes:

I'm not going to buy Apple devices anytime soon as I have them on my total boycott list.
 
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I actually do have experience with research papers, but only since windows 7. Windows 10 seems better in every way.

Why would you use a track pad for productivity?

How are the virtual desktops better?

Resale is irrelevant when you pay twice as much for the same hardware.

well, a track pad is how you inherently interact with a laptop
It is also what you use to swipe between virtual desktops and show different windows or programs and is my preferred way to interact with multiple programs in a speedy fashion. I can expose them or hide them quickly and the gestures are very responsive.
Also, and this should kind of go without saying, as it is a laptop, having a good and dependable trackpad expect is kind of important. For me it is critical. The best gestures + best feeling trackpad on a laptop; thus the best for my workflow

Windows 10 is good and it took a lot of inspiration from macOS but at the end of the day I just find it clunky. I don’t have time to adjust to another OS, I have given windows a fair shake since 2007, I own three windows laptops and I like them but they are not my preference. I like them as computers for other reasons. I use them for different purposes. But I don’t choose them to get the same work done because they don’t do it for me. I find windows 10 to be the best windows experience overall and I like it a lot. I’ve owned surface pros and surface laptops and Lenovo thinkpads...lots of decent options but none have been as good as macOS to put it bluntly.

virtual desktops are better for me because I can have one space with research papers, one with drive info
One with research dedicated tabs
One with mail
One with zoom
Etc
I find it less clunky vs one desktop cluttered. Especially on a laptop where the screen is small.
each Desktop will have multiple apps open. I can also keep my patient Charting log in info separate as well for my day job and access it quickly on a separate desktop.
it’s purely about mental decluttering and organization that works for me

Resale is not irrelevant at all. There is no M1 chip and 20 hour windows laptop. And I paid less for my 2013 MacBook Pro or my m1 air when I purchased it than I did for my windows computers when I purchased them. The razer blade was the most expensive and it’s already outdated. One gets what they pay for. Build quality is second to none on MacBooks, MacOS is my preference to windows, OS support is good and with the switch to M1 the two areas I value the most in a portable computer are met: 1) battery life is absolutely incredible And 2) fan noise. There is no noise. It is also incredible. Compare that to the coil whine I’ve adapted to on the other wise excellent xps computers. I only own those two models but I have been Purchasing the non-2 in 1s annually since 2017

That last comment is a bit of a moot point, maybe you disagree or have had different experiences than others. They are good products. You may not like them, but others do. I find Macs superior in every way for my use, I do what I consider to be important work, and I prefer them. I don’t get why it causes so many triggered opinions on GAF
 
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well, all I know is I can sell my 8 year old laptop for 1/3 to 1/4 of what I paid and put it forward towards another purchase

and I like that. Regardless of whatever the reasons are.

But that's not a proof of its value as a computer, it's proof of the distorted market Apple creates as a result of their practices.
 
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But that's not a proof of its value as a computer, it's proof of the distorted market Apple creates as a result of their practices.

it doesn’t matter. I paid 1350 CAD at the time for it and i can sell it for around 500-600 now used.
I don’t care about the semantics or lack of proof or whatever distorted market has been created. As a consumer that “distorted” market benefits me if I can sell an 8 year old
Laptop for that much

comparatively, that’s about the going price from my 2018 xps 2 in 1 locally as well if I were to sell it, and that one cost me similarly (and on sale to boot)
 
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Apples fight to make the devices not fixable by anyone outside of their own licensed techs is a shitty practice and should not be celebrated
likewise idiots that try and flog off their old technology at new or close to new prices

i love apple products but there are certainly a deluded bunch of people who think that a 4 or 5 year old device can be sold at near new prices and the special people that buy at these prices and wonder why they are having problems running the latest version of photoshop/after effects
or why their battery wont charge properly and you have to send it off to apple for a $700 out of warranty battery replacement...its part of the apple experience as once guy was telling me after paying almost new price on a 2nd hand 4 year old macbook pro 17inch that was supposedly max spec....he ended up paying more to get a second hand mac and the battery fixed then he would of buying the new model brand new
and even then my max mini m1 still beats it on the apps that we use together.

3 Golden rules
  • Never buy a second hand apple product thats out of warranty
  • Never pay more than half it was brand new
  • Your device will be outdated within 6 months
 
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or why their battery wont charge properly and you have to send it off to apple for a $700 out of warranty battery replacement...its part of the apple experience as once guy was telling me after paying almost new price on a 2nd hand 4 year old macbook pro 17inch that was supposedly max spec....he ended up paying more to get a second hand mac and the battery fixed then he would of buying the new model brand new
and even then my max mini m1 still beats it on the apps that we use together.


If you have a low budget you can always try out this instead of buying a used Mac.

 
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If you have a low budget you can always try out this instead of buying a used Mac.

I ain’t touching this guys macbook after my experience with my Mrs macbook years earlier

there was a problem with the mag charge point and the fix looked relatively easy however what I didn’t know was that one screw was essentially a boobytrap trip breaker which basically locked the bios and prevented the boot ....a fucking screw....ended up spending almost the same price as a new model getting it fixed as it had family photos.

I simply buy Mac products now with insurance so if they break I simply say they were stolen and pay the excess as it’s cheaper than getting it fixed or the crappy Apple care plans
 

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Apples fight to make the devices not fixable by anyone outside of their own licensed techs is a shitty practice and should not be celebrated
likewise idiots that try and flog off their old technology at new or close to new prices

i love apple products but there are certainly a deluded bunch of people who think that a 4 or 5 year old device can be sold at near new prices and the special people that buy at these prices and wonder why they are having problems running the latest version of photoshop/after effects
or why their battery wont charge properly and you have to send it off to apple for a $700 out of warranty battery replacement...its part of the apple experience as once guy was telling me after paying almost new price on a 2nd hand 4 year old macbook pro 17inch that was supposedly max spec....he ended up paying more to get a second hand mac and the battery fixed then he would of buying the new model brand new
and even then my max mini m1 still beats it on the apps that we use together.

3 Golden rules
  • Never buy a second hand apple product thats out of warranty
  • Never pay more than half it was brand new
  • Your device will be outdated within 6 months
That sounds pretty expensive for a battery repair/replacement considering Apple themselves charges a max of $199 on the Macbook Pros that have their batteries stuck in with adhesive. For that $199 they replace the whole topcase which includes the battery and keyboard, so you get a new keyboard along with the battery.

https://support.apple.com/mac/repair/service

Apple still supports Macbook Pros from 2013 in their latest release of macOS, so I’m not sure why you think a Mac is outdated after 6 months. Even if it stops being supported by Apple, you can always install Windows or Linux.


If you don’t want to use a Mac then it’s easy enough to avoid them. I use Mac laptops as I enjoy using them for my everyday tasks and I use my desktop PC for other things like gaming. (Ryzen 5900X/X570/6800XT)
I tried using a Windows laptop again not too long ago. Razer Blade 15 Advanced (6core i7/RTX 2080 max-q) and...... I ended up getting rid of it and staying with my Macbook Pro for my laptop.
 

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Sorry, I forgot I worked at a small business 5-6 years ago that originally had really cheap Dell PCs that the owner screwed up doing God knows what with quickbooks, blamed windows then bought Macs. He was all apple "iT jUsT wOrKs", but that's because having the ability to change things or a second mouse button was too much for him. Funny enough I had one of those cheap Intels and mine never got screwed up... Fortunately I got to stay on PC while I worked there.

I should say, I haven't seen any serious businesses running anything other than Windows PCs. Small shops where people have funny hair colors not withstanding.

XP was great. I've never had that issue with it back in the day.

Windows 10 boots for me in 5 seconds.

What the ....

So when you start as an engineer at Google you get to pick if you want a Mac or a Linux machine. No Windows offered. I'd call Google a "serious business."

In my experience, the more serious the business the less likely you are to use Windows in fact. It's a liability, not an asset, unless you NEED Windows only software. But for people in the software engineering world like myself, you really don't want to use it (unless you're making games).
 

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it doesn’t matter. I paid 1350 CAD at the time for it and i can sell it for around 500-600 now used.
I don’t care about the semantics or lack of proof or whatever distorted market has been created. As a consumer that “distorted” market benefits me if I can sell an 8 year old
Laptop for that much

comparatively, that’s about the going price from my 2018 xps 2 in 1 locally as well if I were to sell it, and that one cost me similarly (and on sale to boot)

You get charged for those practices.

My XPS was 1100€ cheaper than a MacBook with the exact same specs.

Not to mention that because their laptops are essentially unrepairable and unupgradable if yours had a fault it would become a paperweight.
 
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I remember trying to mess around in Apple's configurator for like...their desktops or something.

It was gonna cost me like $200 per 8GB of ram to add to that thing. Fuck that noise entirely.
 

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What the ....

So when you start as an engineer at Google you get to pick if you want a Mac or a Linux machine. No Windows offered. I'd call Google a "serious business."

In my experience, the more serious the business the less likely you are to use Windows in fact. It's a liability, not an asset, unless you NEED Windows only software. But for people in the software engineering world like myself, you really don't want to use it (unless you're making games).

I personally use Linux and I prefer it to macos and windows, but I've been working in the medical software field for 5 years and all I've seen are windows pcs.

If windows is good enough to make the software that saves lives and takes care of patients, it's good enough period.
 
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What the ....

So when you start as an engineer at Google you get to pick if you want a Mac or a Linux machine. No Windows offered. I'd call Google a "serious business."

In my experience, the more serious the business the less likely you are to use Windows in fact. It's a liability, not an asset, unless you NEED Windows only software. But for people in the software engineering world like myself, you really don't want to use it (unless you're making games).
All the programmers I know use windows and linux.

Source on that about Google? Due to their heavy use of android I'm surprised they aren't all running linux. Not what i meant by serious business though. I imagine most people at Apple aren't running windows either.
 
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PC vs. Mac​

In the real-world, a PC with an 11th Gen Intel® Core™ mobile processor offers users more and we’ve got real research and test results that prove it. Many Apple M1 claims don’t translate to real-world usage and appear questionable. When compared to a PC with the 11th Gen Intel® Core™ mobile processor, the M1 MacBook features just don’t stack up

Everything Just Works​

A PC is built for the user. They can run whatever software and games users want to run and accommodate all plug-ins you love. The possibilities are endless with a PC versus Apple’s rigidly controlled walled garden
Apple always gets stuff like this. Multiple Android manufacturers feel the need to take digs at them in ads, and now Intel is butthurt that Apple designed their own chips which are better and don't need them anymore. Plus AMD have the better desktop/mobile PC chips now too.
 

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What the ....

So when you start as an engineer at Google you get to pick if you want a Mac or a Linux machine. No Windows offered. I'd call Google a "serious business."

In my experience, the more serious the business the less likely you are to use Windows in fact. It's a liability, not an asset, unless you NEED Windows only software. But for people in the software engineering world like myself, you really don't want to use it (unless you're making games).
I never heard this, but if true I have a feeling that this is more a case of the fact that OS X is essentially Unix with a pretty front end and googles competition with ms more than google valuing macs as a legitimate development platform on its own merits.
 
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How can you be a gamer and love a macbook? You can't play games besides their store apps. You can't mess with settings, mods, install old software. They ban apps they don't like from their stores and there is no sideloading.
Easy i game on console. I’ve never gamed on pc. You can load whatever you want on a Mac you don’t have to load from their store. You can also run windows while you’re running OS X at the same time. Win for everyone. Why do pc fans have trouble understanding this?
I prefer the simplicity of iOS and OS X. I don’t even know how to use windows anymore. I try to change the background on a work colleagues computer and wouldn’t even know where to start
 

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I would buy apple, if their desktops and laptops had touch screen and utilized apple pencil. When will that day come?
 

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What do you mean by serious business then?

Anyway, what about IBM? They use Mac too.
Yep, that article mentions they're partners.


I'm amazed they're still around.

You guys convinced me, I'm going to buy a Mac for python and node. Do macs have a right click yet?
 

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Intel should fire everyone on their PR team, this campaign is crazy and a total Streisand effect in the making.

And they're doing that against a competitor that represented like 1% of the total CPU's they sold.


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Intel doesn't disclose how much money it generates from Macs, but UBS analyst Timothy Arcuri estimates Apple only accounts for 2%-3% of Intel's annual sales, or $1.5 billion to $2.3 billion of its trailing 12-month revenue.​


Apple market only meant 2-3% of the CPU's intel sold worldwide each year. Going after them at this stage is NUTS I tell you.

Specially seeing they never did this to AMD, which are their direct competitors.
 
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They used to be big competitors though.

This is probably meant as a joke, but you can plug in any external mouse and right-click should work right away.
Only back when IBM made PCs. That hasn't been the case in a long time now.

It was a bit of a joke, but I didn't know if osx supported a right click. Last I used a Mac was 3-4 years ago and I remember you had to hold some button and click.
 

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Only back when IBM made PCs. That hasn't been the case in a long time now.

It was a bit of a joke, but I didn't know if osx supported a right click. Last I used a Mac was 3-4 years ago and I remember you had to hold some button and click.
I don't remember how it was with MacOS before X, but MacOSX has supported buttons with secondary buttons for 20 years now.

The thing is Apple themselves, didn't make them until the Mighty Mouse came along in 2006, so you had to hold ctrl then click on whatever you wanted to trigger it.

And, on laptops, second click is tied to either using gestures (two finger clicking), or using the old ctrl+mouse-click trick - not very intuitive for non-mac users and depending on how it was set up the two finger gesture can be disabled.
 
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It was a bit of a joke, but I didn't know if osx supported a right click. Last I used a Mac was 3-4 years ago and I remember you had to hold some button and click.
oh cheers, haha, but yeah, there are several ways of doing it. My preferred method when working on a Macbook is just using two fingers to tap. Definitely activate tap to click through. It always drives me crazy when people make hard clicks on a touchpad. I've never used Apple's own mouse, so I don't know about that, but as said any external mouse with left and right-click buttons should do the job.
 

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I don't remember how it was with MacOS before X, but MacOSX has supported buttons with secondary buttons for 20 years now.

The thing is Apple themselves, didn't make them until the Mighty Mouse came along in 2006, so you had to hold ctrl then click on whatever you wanted to trigger it.

And, on laptops, second click is tied to either using gestures (two finger clicking), or using the old ctrl+mouse-click trick - not very intuitive for non-mac users and depending on how it was set up the two finger gesture can be disabled.
oh cheers, haha, but yeah, there are several ways of doing it. My preferred method when working on a Macbook is just using two fingers to tap. Definitely activate tap to click through. It always drives me crazy when people make hard clicks on a touchpad. I've never used Apple's own mouse, so I don't know about that, but as said any external mouse with left and right-click buttons should do the job.
what is more intuitive about doing those tricks over just...pushing a different button?
 
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what is more intuitive about doing those tricks over just...pushing a different button?
Two-finger clicking isn't exactly a trick. You just do it and it works completely fine. I don't get it, because it just a matter of getting used to.

I mean, I guess for games like FPS, for example, it can be a hassle, but thing is, I wouldn't play an FPS with a touchpad, to begin with.
And gaming on a Mac isn't the greatest thing (although my 2015 Macbook Pro runs emulation up to Gamecube/Wii surprisingly well) either.
 

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what is more intuitive about doing those tricks over just...pushing a different button?
It's not, but this is Apple, they kept a horrible keyboard 4 years just because they wanted to prove a point. They ultimately gave up on the buttlerfly system but kept that horrible emoji bar on the so called "pro models". At some point it might disappear from the lineup and they'll act like it never happened.

Speaking of never happened, I give mac intel machines 3 years new OS support maximum if they are quad core and really recent, and this with lots of bugs and bad support complaints as it's totally not their priority now, quite the opposite. And that's the real crux of Apple; they own your machine, decide when it is obsolete and burn quite a few bridges in the professional market that way (on recent Intel machines in the advent of getting no further updates from Apple you can't install Linux natively and boot it from your internal HDD, ever - you need an external HDD for that, on the M1 ones you can add Windows to that list because there is no bootcamp, the app that allows it). I know plenty companies that would never buy Apple even if it's more powerful than the competition, because it's Apple, and they have a point as I would do the same.

They solder RAM, HDD, on the phone side of things they even register fingerpring, image sensors and battery to the equipment ID so they can make it malfunction if a repair is not done by them, they invest a lot of their development in being in absolute control of something they're selling. They even go after refurbishing parts on customs, claiming they own them and nobody but them can sell something with an apple logo.

Usually when they have to concede defeat they just implement the thing they didn't want to and don't say much about it - they'll only talk about it if they can make it seem like they invented/advanced/revolutioned it. Salty, you might say.

With that mighty mouse I linked to they pulled the worlds worst scroll wheel/ball thingy. Comically, the issues with it are actually similar with the joycon joystick problems and the designs are similar believe it or not. They did it because they wanted to claim they were doing vertical and horizontal scroll, because they didn't want to concede that the vertical wheel was useful in itself, make something similar and call it a day.

Two finger clicking works really well and is intuitive, but I don't recall that information being anywhere outside of the mouse configurations (it appears as a video in there though, which is useful), the other shortcut I don't recall being anywhere.
 
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Two-finger clicking isn't exactly a trick. You just do it and it works completely fine. I don't get it, because it just a matter of getting used to.

I mean, I guess for games like FPS, for example, it can be a hassle, but thing is, I wouldn't play an FPS with a touchpad, to begin with.
And gaming on a Mac isn't the greatest thing (although my 2015 Macbook Pro runs emulation up to Gamecube/Wii surprisingly well) either.
that honestly sounds like a terrible input. no wonder your habits are warped. I wouldn't use a touchpad to operate a web browser or OS interface either. even good ones are awful, cramped, and don't allow for comfortable shoulder positioning(Similar to a controller, honestly. having your hands anchored down in front of you and tied down to that one point for hours? Glad I don't use those often).

It's not, but this is Apple, they kept a horrible keyboard 4 years just because they wanted to prove a point. They ultimately gave up on the buttlerfly system but kept that horrible emoji bar on the so called "pro models". At some point it might disappear from the lineup and they'll act like it never happened.

Speaking of never happened, I give mac intel machines 3 years support maximum if they are quad core and really recent, and this with lots of bugs and bad support complaints.

Usually when they have to concede defeat they just implement the thing they didn't want to and don't say much about it - they'll only say talk about it if they can make it seem like they invented/advanced/revolutioned it. Salty, you might say.

With that mighty mouse I linked to they pulled the worlds worst scroll wheel/ball thingy. Comically, the issues with it are actually similar with the joycon joystick problems the designs are similar believe it or not. And the results as well. They did it because they wanted to claim they were doing vertical and horizontal scroll, because they didn't want to concede that the vertical wheel was useful in itself.
yeeesh @_@
 
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that honestly sounds like a terrible input.
I am very used to it and feel comfy with it. Macbooks tend to have some of the best touchpads and it was very easy to adapt for me, to be honest. The only thing I needed to change was activating tap to click. I just use my index- and middle finger. Scrolling and navigating with the touchpad does feel very intuitive. It's really not as bad as it sounds. The same thing goes for controllers, I feel completely comfy with most of them, the only exception was the Switch, my hands started to tingle when playing too long in handheld mode. Also, when you are in bed or on a couch (or generally in a comfy position), do you really want to get the mouse out? Idk about that. When working on a desk I prefer using a mouse too though, so there is that.
 
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I am very used to it and feel comfy with it. Macbooks tend to have some of the best touchpads and it was very easy to adapt for me, to be honest. The only thing I needed to change was activating tap to click. I just use my index- and middle finger. Scrolling and navigating with the touchpad does feel very intuitive. It's really not as bad as it sounds. The same thing goes for controllers, I feel completely comfy with most of them, the only exception was the Switch, my hands started to tingle when playing too long in handheld mode. Also, when you are in bed or on a couch (or generally in a comfy position), do you really want to get the mouse out? Idk about that. When working on a desk I prefer using a mouse too though, so there is that.
that's my primary arrangement. I haven't used my desk in a long time. my arms hate not being able to move freely. Especially if they're held down to my waist and not free to move around for some reason.
 
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People wanted and asked for an alternative to PC and they got Apple now their wallets are getting ass whoop’ns every year.
I don't think this applies as much as it used to.

A M1 Macbook Air costs $999 or $899 if you just click the college link (no verification required). To get a comparable laptop with comparable build quality (and ignoring stuff like 15-20hr battery life) you are mostly looking at the Dell XPS or Surface Laptop both of which cost more to get any sort of comparable performance. Don't get me wrong though. I much prefer Apple products over the competition and if it wasn't for some games I wouldn't own a Windows computer at all but they also make some stuff that is overpriced. The new M1 computers aren't those however, especially the Mac Mini and MacBook Air.

Yeah you can grab a cheap $500 laptop but the build quality and performance won't be there. I also think that Apple's presence in retail is a big plus. I can take my iPhone/iPad/MacBook to my local store and generally get a 2 hour turn around time on my phone, or 48 hour turn around time on my computer for hardware repairs.
 
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that's my primary arrangement. I haven't used my desk in a long time. my arms hate not being able to move freely. Especially if they're held down to my waist and not free to move around for some reason.
Well, experiment and do what works best for you. That's always a good way of doing things.

And I feel you on this, this whole covid lockdown thingie has completely changed my sleeping cycle and some of my habits. Some positive, some negative. Working in bed all day is kinda nice, but I miss getting out of bed full of energy and getting to work. It's not like being lazy is an option for me and I am certainly not, but it's just weird... weird, because on the surface it seems like you let yourself go. I guess I am just not used to having all this comfort at all times. I am used to getting out of the comfort zone regularly. This whole situation is just so sloppy for me.
 
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Yeah you can grab a cheap $500 laptop but the build quality and performance won't be there.
I had one of these 2-in-1 notebooks (both notebook and tablet), I think it was around 350€ and it was easily the worst piece of shit I have ever witnessed. After 2 weeks of use, it only worked when it felt like it, and changing from tablet mode to notebook mode (and vice versa) became a nightmare. Also, slow as a motherfucker.
 

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Well, experiment and do what works best for you. That's always a good way of doing things.

And I feel you on this, this whole covid lockdown thingie has completely changed my sleeping cycle and some of my habits. Some positive, some negative. Working in bed all day is kinda nice, but I miss getting out of bed full of energy and getting to work. It's not like being lazy is an option for me and I am certainly not, but it's just weird... weird, because on the surface it seems like you let yourself go. I guess I am just not used to having all this comfort at all times. I am used to getting out of the comfort zone regularly. This whole situation is just so sloppy for me.
I feel you on that. In my case, it's shoulder injuries. some granny doped up on dieting pills ran me over while I was out jogging in 2015. Granted, I had this opinion before that(preferring to have my arms spread out and rather hooked on the whole feeling of multitasking as I literally spread my attention across so many things) but the injuries have just made it something where I had to get into a groove of compromising on far less often.

I use a controller to game from time to time. But I also tab out or have a second monitor and/or do something on it constantly, so I'm not just sitting there with nothing else going on.
 
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I feel you on that. In my case, it's shoulder injuries. some granny doped up on dieting pills ran me over while I was out jogging in 2015. Granted, I had this opinion before that(preferring to have my arms spread out and rather hooked on the whole feeling of multitasking as I literally spread my attention across so many things) but the injuries have just made it something where I had to get into a groove of compromising on far less often.

I use a controller to game from time to time. But I also tab out or have a second monitor and/or do something on it constantly, so I'm not just sitting there with nothing else going on.
Oh shit, that sounds bad. Granted, a doped-up granny running you over isn't something that happens every day. Sounds like a joke from South Park, haha.
For real though, if you have to do fewer compromises and it's working for you then that's definitely a plus, isn't it?

I used to have my Xbox connected to my second monitor, but it kinda hampered my productivity so now I game only in the living room.
I want to build a small but powerful PC for the living room sooner or later and maybe get one of those Steam Controllers or a decent mouse & keyboard setup.
 
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Oh shit, that sounds bad. Granted, a doped-up granny running you over isn't something that happens every day. Sounds like a joke from South Park, haha.
For real though, if you have to do fewer compromises and it's working for you then that's definitely a plus, isn't it?

I used to have my Xbox connected to my second monitor, but it kinda hampered my productivity so now I game only in the living room.
I want to build a small but powerful PC for the living room sooner or later and maybe get one of those Steam Controllers or a decent mouse & keyboard setup.
what're you wanting to do with it?
 

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Intel got what they deserved, but that's what happens when you control market share.

With that said, we need Intel because competition is better for consumers, so I'm quietly rooting for them to succeed with their 7nm projections. I'm also very interested to see what they can pull off in the GPU space. The timing is ripe for Intel to make a big splash in a market that can't keep up with demand, and their marketing cryptic campaign has my attention.


Side note: The potential acquisition of ARM by Nvidia is going to put a damper on Apple's hopes of becoming completely self-sufficient.
 
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what're you wanting to do with it?
I want a console-like experience (system turning on when pressing the home button on the controller, easy-to-use interface, etc.) but with access to my steam library, gog, emulators, and all that, just for the living room instead of my working space. A gaming PC for the living room basically.
 

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I want a console-like experience (system turning on when pressing the home button on the controller, easy-to-use interface, etc.) but with access to my steam library, gog, emulators, and all that, just for the living room instead of my working space. A gaming PC for the living room basically.
outside of the first one(I only say that because I don't really use that sort of controller function so not familiar. can probably just keep it in sleep mode most of the time tho), the rest is pretty easy to pull off. especially with how many good emualtor projects JUST got their big breakthroughs in the last 2 years.
My friend built in this.
 

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I want a console-like experience (system turning on when pressing the home button on the controller, easy-to-use interface, etc.) but with access to my steam library, gog, emulators, and all that, just for the living room instead of my working space. A gaming PC for the living room basically.
You can do that with Steams "Big Picture", except for use it to turn the pc on. I use a PS4 controller as a remote even when not playing games. Such as using youtube on my tv (to block ads). It works pretty well.