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Iran fireing at protestors

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Glad they posted those videos. Otherwise I wouldn’t know what was happening.
 

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Let's come up with a historical event that we can use to say that the US is at fault for this.

This is all so fucked up. I'm glad they are shining a spotlight on their depravity, but it's such a shame that innocent people have to suffer to power the light.
 
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It's so sad that nothing will change and only people will die. Protests are not the answer. A complete takeover is. They need to go for the head. The Iranian people themself need to kill each and every one of these "leaders"
 
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It's so sad that nothing will change and only people will die. Protests are not the answer. A complete takeover is. They need to go for the head. The Iranian people themself need to kill each and every one of these "leaders"
When you don’t have the freedom or speech or the freedom to bear arms, it is really hard to depose a tyrant. Damn near impossible with modern tech...
 

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Trump could have come out on this completely on top of only he hadn’t threatened to blow up Iranian cultural sites. That was a mistake on his part. Everything else he’s done in response has been great i think.
 
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I have no faith in our government or elites anymore. This just seems like another attempt by the CIA or various other western intelligence services at creating a "color" revolution in Iran.

They really want our "freedoms!" Our perverts being given access to children, our "pride" parades, our sodomite "marriages," our little girls twerking, our two parties funded by the exact same people, etc.
 

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So sad. And this is the middle-east, and it's also why we have to get the fuck out of it. It'll never change, only the people protesting and those pulling the trigger and wielding the sticks.

I sincerely hope Trump does not intend to interfere in this; it's not our fucking fight. Iran's leadership is showing its true colors to the world, that does more than any bombing campaign will ever do.
 
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So sad. And this is the middle-east, and it's also why we have to get the fuck out of it. It'll never change, only the people protesting and those pulling the trigger and wielding the sticks.

I sincerely hope Trump does not intend to interfere in this; it's not our fucking fight. Iran's leadership is showing its true colors to the world, that does more than any bombing campaign will ever do.
what does it do for the people in Iran, i do think trump should get involved. Nobody is willing to help the people in Iran because there is no money to be made. during each protests they just fire live rounds and kill people till they stop protesting, this is a country where it's people need help from the outside world.
 

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what does it do for the people in Iran, i do think trump should get involved. Nobody is willing to help the people in Iran because there is no money to be made. during each protests they just fire live rounds and kill people till they stop protesting, this is a country where it's people need help from the outside world.
The Iranian people allowed their civilization to be dragged centuries backwards by supporting the 1979 revolution. They need to earn this for themselves and suffer the consequences. Not one single American should die supporting a new revolution.
 
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redfirm

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The Iranian people allowed their civilization to be dragged centuries backwards by supporting the 1979 revolution. They need to earn this for themselves and suffer the consequences. Not one single American should die supporting a new revolution.
Then you also agree that america should leave all their bases worldwide and return all their units and in return lose their status as the most powerful military in the world? with great power comes great responsibility. Also remember that the current regime in Iran was put in place by the United states. So i do believe that the united stats has a obligation to the current people of iran to remove the fuckup the created.
 

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Then you also agree that america should leave all their bases worldwide and return all their units and in return lose their status as the most powerful military in the world? with great power comes great responsibility. Also remember that the current regime in Iran was put in place by the United states. So i do believe that the united stats has a obligation to the current people of iran to remove the fuckup the created.
Wait, what ? Khomeini was installed by the US ? That's a novel take on the 1979 revolution, is this one of 'non-Americans have no agency' cases ?
 

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Then you also agree that america should leave all their bases worldwide and return all their units and in return lose their status as the most powerful military in the world? with great power comes great responsibility. Also remember that the current regime in Iran was put in place by the United states. So i do believe that the united stats has a obligation to the current people of iran to remove the fuckup the created.
Man, i support leaving many of our bases worldwide, but that really has nothing to do with what you are saying.

1] most of our bases are in countries voluntarily. Govts greatly benefit from our presence in a variety of ways, namely, but not limited to, defense. I see no reason someone's opinion on Iran has any relation to other bases.

2] even if we left every international base we would remain the world superpower. There is at least some benefit to the world to have a peaceful, non-interventionist, non-imperialist superpower as it tends to limit the ambitions of more imperialist leaning dictators, etc. Which is also part of why it would likely remain a good idea to keep bases in allied countries.

3] with great power comes great responsibility? Sure, but what if that responsibility is peace and not intervention? There is a huge difference between stepping in over an international genocide [or even an internal genocide], and stepping in because of a generally oppressive regime. This is a sovereign country. The people need to fix it.

4] 'obligation'? If our obligation is regime change, then we will never leave. We will always be responsible if shit goes sideways, forever, and ever, and ever. The Iranian people must fix it themselves. If we do, then we simply extend our responsibility another century. The people, at the very least, need to lead the charge before other nations have any sort of responsibility to do it for them. The interventionist line of thinking is largely why we are so involved in the ME in the first place.
 
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These people are insane. They pretend to have virtue, but they don't; self loathing. They see their very image in Trump more than they know or care to admit to.

So much narcissism and arrogance in the social media world projection with all the worse qualities of OMB, that they refuse to identify in themselves.
 
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Actually I would blame Carter for not supporting the Shah. Mossedegh was a tyrant with dictatorial ambitions allied with communists. When it looked like he was going to lose power via democratic means, he dissolved parliament.
Its interesting how the lie of the democratically elected government has spread for so many years.

From my understanding it would be like if Trump appointed mitch mcconnal as presdient and calling him democraticly elected because he was voted into then senate.
 

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Then you also agree that america should leave all their bases worldwide and return all their units and in return lose their status as the most powerful military in the world? with great power comes great responsibility. Also remember that the current regime in Iran was put in place by the United states. So i do believe that the united stats has a obligation to the current people of iran to remove the fuckup the created.


 

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From my understanding it would be like if Trump appointed mitch mcconnal as presdient and calling him democraticly elected because he was voted into then senate.
If that ever happens, would you support a foreign power coming into your country overtaking your government and installing a dictatorship friendly to them for almost 30 years? If not, then why are you supporting the United States doing that to others?
 

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Who is this idiot? The cultural site bombing commentary was obvious bloviating and sabre rattling. I wish the dude would stop, but that's how he operates on Twitter for better or worse (usually worse if you ask me). The Iranian government, meanwhile, has a clear history of killing its protestors...

With the media, Trump has always been pretty specific about specific outlets being "fake news" or "enemy of the people," not reporters in general.

Jesus, I can't believe I'm in here defending Trump against random idiots on Twitter...
 

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Wait, what ? Khomeini was installed by the US ? That's a novel take on the 1979 revolution, is this one of 'non-Americans have no agency' cases ?
Sure, post that when you don't have any counter arguments.
 

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Sure, post that when you don't have any counter arguments.
The US also made deals with Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, the taliban and ISIS to name a few. The US is specialist in creating monsters and enemies and then acting all high and mighty when they lose control of them and need to deal with their own shit.
 

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Sure, post that when you don't have any counter arguments.
Lol so US is to blame for Shah coup in 53 then are to blame for preventing a coup in 79 and undoing the Shah coup. Its literally blame US for everything. Blame for a coup and blame for not preventing a coup.

And Carter was a horrible appeasing president. Wouldnt shock me if he offered the ayatollah a BJ and reach around as well. We know carter the peanut farmer was weak sauce.
 

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Lol so US is to blame for Shah coup in 53 then are to blame for preventing a coup in 79 and undoing the Shah coup. Its literally blame US for everything. Blame for a coup and blame for not preventing a coup.
It wouldnt be the first time the US plays the double game. Hell in the last decades they have been, both, financing and fighting ISIS. Just more proof why the US foreign policy is such an irresponsible mess.
 
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Lol so US is to blame for Shah coup in 53 then are to blame for preventing a coup in 79 and undoing the Shah coup. Its literally blame US for everything. Blame for a coup and blame for not preventing a coup.

And Carter was a horrible appeasing president. Wouldnt shock me if he offered the ayatollah a BJ and reach around as well. We know carter the peanut farmer was weak sauce.

In both '53 and '79 the players were still Iranian citizens. People may desire to blame the U.S., but in the end, the acts were all implemented and performed by Iranian citizens.
 
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In both '53 and '79 the players were still Iranian citizens. People may desire to blame the U.S., but in the end, the acts were all implemented and performed by Iranian citizens.
I agree, and what happened 70 years ago isn't a defense for Iran's actions today.
 
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cryptoadam

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If that ever happens, would you support a foreign power coming into your country overtaking your government and installing a dictatorship friendly to them for almost 30 years? If not, then why are you supporting the United States doing that to others?
If that person said they wanted to put Jews on trains and send them to the ovens I would.

And I didn't say I supported the 53 coup, I said that its not truthful to trot out the whole democratically elected stuff. I should correct my analogy it was more akin to if the House of Reps decided to hold a vote and voted AOC as the President and then claiming she was "democratcially" elected.

But more over what happened in Iran 70 years ago doesn't excuse their behaviour today espcially how they treat their own people. If you didn't have your head up your butt you would realize that Iran is just as guilty of all the horrible meddling and interventionism/imperialism you accuse the US of, with one of the worst domestic governments in the world. But keep standing up for the Mullaha's while regular day Iranians suffer under the yoke of their oppression. As long as the government is anti-American I guess you don't care how many people they kill or opress.