oldergamer
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People that have no idea on what they are talking about, needs to stop blaming the way it looks based on being cross platform.
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Is HALO INFINITE looking like a 360 game proof Cross gen is not the problem?... Is it just the SERIES S?
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FranXico
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As of the gameplay demo, the game was scheduled for release in November. It's shit.
Nothing to do with being cross-gen though.
BlueXImpulse
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Why does cross gen Spiderman look better than GOTY Cyber Punk 2077 which PCMR keep saying is next gen?
Stuart360
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Because it doesnt?. There is more to a games graphics than a zoom in on characters hair.Why does cross gen Spiderman look better than GOTY Cyber Punk 2077 which PCMR keep saying is next gen?
BlueXImpulse
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Well you're wrong, it does and the skin rendering on Spiderman also looks better. The IQ overall looks better when zoomed in.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Welp, time to move another thread to my recycling bin....
Stuart360
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How am i wrong?, Cyberpunk looks well above MM in the gameplay i have watched. Dont you lot usually complain about DF zooming in on comparisons?
MilkyJoe
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Why does cross gen Spiderman look better than GOTY Cyber Punk 2077 which PCMR keep saying is next gen?
Cherry picking?
El Pistolero
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They still looked two gens ahead of Craig’s face.
Flintty
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I’ll be honest, my first thought when I saw the gameplay was not about graphics. They didn’t scream out as being bad and I still think Chief looks better than he ever did. It all got blown out of proportion, chiefly by stills from the trailer (Craig Lol).
I still think it’ll look great once they’ve tightened it up a bit, but I’d like to see improved enemy character models.
BlueXImpulse
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If you are comparing like for like when the resolutions can't be told apart from a normal gaming standpoint yes but for analysis purposes I know why they do it. I don't see how CP looks well above MM.
Cyberpunk 2077: NVIDIA Partnership Brings Ray Tracing To Hugely-Anticipated Game
NVIDIA and CD PROJEKT RED are working together to bring real-time ray tracing to Cyberpunk 2077.
www.nvidia.com
Using press release shots?
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Stuart360
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Dont get me wrong, i wouldnt be surprised if MM looks better than Cyberpunk on console, mainly current gen, as i still dont have a clue how they are going to get Cyberpunk running on base PS4 and XB1. But Cyberpunk on PC, looks amazing imo.If you are comparing like for like when the resolutions can't be told apart from a normal gaming standpoint yes but for analysis purposes I know why they do it. I don't see how CP looks well above MM.
Cyberpunk 2077: NVIDIA Partnership Brings Ray Tracing To Hugely-Anticipated Game
NVIDIA and CD PROJEKT RED are working together to bring real-time ray tracing to Cyberpunk 2077.www.nvidia.com
Using press release shots?
MilkyJoe
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If you are comparing like for like when the resolutions can't be told apart from a normal gaming standpoint yes but for analysis purposes I know why they do it. I don't see how CP looks well above MM.
Cyberpunk 2077: NVIDIA Partnership Brings Ray Tracing To Hugely-Anticipated Game
NVIDIA and CD PROJEKT RED are working together to bring real-time ray tracing to Cyberpunk 2077.www.nvidia.com
Using press release shots?
Find a screenshot of a random NPC in spiderman
The problem is MS's decision to push frame rate as next gen's boner-figure. They've gone so hard on the boner-figure that it'll be difficult to walk away from.
Net result is going to be games that don't look that great compared to the competition. You can't sell a frame rate in a screenshot.
Net result is going to be games that don't look that great compared to the competition. You can't sell a frame rate in a screenshot.
BlueXImpulse
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Not many official screenshots
Zoom in on these two. CP vs MM which retains more detail up close
Explosive Zombie
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Stuart360
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What?, i said Halo Infinite looked like a good current gen game, and thats what it looks like. MM also looks like a good current gen game at 4k.
Explosive Zombie
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Miles Morales doesn't look as bad as Halo Infinite.
Stuart360
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It probably doesnt. And me saying MM looks like a good current gen game but at 4k, isnt a negative. Spiderman on PS4 already looked great. And as a PC gamer, i'd take 60fps over everything else anyway.
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Explosive Zombie
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What do you mean probably? You're allowed an opinion, we have footage of both.
It's both crossgen holds games back but not because the second console is weaker but because the effort in the two games is shared. For example nobody in their right mind would create an Unreal Engine 5 game with the new streaming technology and then create the same game without it in Unreal Engine 4. Not because it can't be done looking like crap on thr old gen but because this requires considerable effort. So they concentrate on something that is compatible on all their targeted platforms and requires the least effort to "scale". Bump res, aim for higher fps due to faster hardware.Spiderman is Cross gen and looks stunning, Same with Horizon Forbidden West. So Why the FUCK does Halo Infinite look so abysmal?Is 343 that incompetent?
Could it be... Having to cater to a 4TF console aimed at 1440p gaming as the base? Only the top tier devs will be able to make stunning looking games while dealing with such a discrepancy in power. 343 is not that dev.
We're in for a long gen of "What ifs" with this thing. Because eventually, when games are no longer cross gen, and not being held back by PS4 and XB1... Xbox devs will still be held back by a much weaker console. Shame.
Stuart360
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Because there has been barely any actual gameplay footage of MM. All we have is the bit where he's walking through a market, and the bits on the bridge segment, which were very dark, and the stills from that part leave a lot to be desired when looking at background detail. When we see like 10mins of daytime swinging through the city, then it would be fairer.
INC
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Well it was sold at the event as a release title, until the back lash.
So yeh people should judge it that way.
Explosive Zombie
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I mean... you know Halo Infinite looked so bad it got delayed, right?
Pallas
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OP getting roasted alive ...
It’s not the hardware, I think most of us have cane to agreement that 343 Studios are not a very good studio with potentially a lot of internal issues.
Cyberpunk 2077 is a lot more than graphics(it’s impressive graphically though) and probably the most ambitious game since the Witcher 3.
It’s not the hardware, I think most of us have cane to agreement that 343 Studios are not a very good studio with potentially a lot of internal issues.
Why does cross gen Spiderman look better than GOTY Cyber Punk 2077 which PCMR keep saying is next gen?
Cyberpunk 2077 is a lot more than graphics(it’s impressive graphically though) and probably the most ambitious game since the Witcher 3.
Stuart360
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Its assumed that was why it got delayed. I think the truth is the game just wasnt ready, hense even that 343 dev saying they spent ages trying to polish that bit of footage for the reveal, even though we were like 4 months from launch.
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shenmue mugen
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Halo Infinite DOES not look like a 360 or XONE game.
Halo Infinite is victim of bad artistic decisions that are responsible for it's dull looks (and technical issues that will be taken care of like the culling and streaming problems when loading textures and meshes) but the game is next gen on a technical side:
-4k native resolution at 60fps.
-Very detailed textures (if you pause the video in moments where the camera is close to a surface that is properly lit you can see the detail...like the weapon that appears almost flat shaded but at the right light conditions you can see the all the REALLY high res detail texturing)
-High poly models (yes, including Craig, just pause the video when you are near the Brute's corpse to see the model)
-All in an open world.
Halo Infinite is victim of bad artistic decisions that are responsible for it's dull looks (and technical issues that will be taken care of like the culling and streaming problems when loading textures and meshes) but the game is next gen on a technical side:
-4k native resolution at 60fps.
-Very detailed textures (if you pause the video in moments where the camera is close to a surface that is properly lit you can see the detail...like the weapon that appears almost flat shaded but at the right light conditions you can see the all the REALLY high res detail texturing)
-High poly models (yes, including Craig, just pause the video when you are near the Brute's corpse to see the model)
-All in an open world.
Represent.
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Spiderman most definitely looks better than Cyberpunk
OrtizTwelve
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The problem is likely the studio, or maybe the art style. Or both. Something just looks OFF with the way the game was presented. I don't even know why they even showed gameplay in that state, bad move and bad PR move.
The gameplay demo DID NOT look like something that should be on XBOX Series X, or even Series S for that matter. It looked really... mediocre. There was ZERO wow moments, and everything felt very underwhelming, at least for what we would expect on next gen hardware.
The fact that It looked WORSE than Halo 5 which was released years ago is shocking. This will be akin to the PS3 reveal at E3, which has lived in infamy for years.
The gameplay demo DID NOT look like something that should be on XBOX Series X, or even Series S for that matter. It looked really... mediocre. There was ZERO wow moments, and everything felt very underwhelming, at least for what we would expect on next gen hardware.
The fact that It looked WORSE than Halo 5 which was released years ago is shocking. This will be akin to the PS3 reveal at E3, which has lived in infamy for years.
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mrBarrelNut
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Are you seriously claiming that this looks like a 360 game?
Stuart360
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Its so silly isnt it.
To be fair, i think Halo Infinite was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, so to speak. I think if Halo had been shown today, after everything we have seen of next gen so far, barely any of the 'backlash' would even of happened.
DrumNBassDanTTV
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Nothing to do with the series s and its capabilities, FF16 also looked very ps4 gen, not as bad as Halo infinite like but still pretty mediocre lookingSpiderman is Cross gen and looks stunning, Same with Horizon Forbidden West. So Why the FUCK does Halo Infinite look so abysmal?
Could it be... Having to cater to a 4TF console aimed at 1440p gaming as the base? Only the top tier devs will be able to make stunning looking games while dealing with such a discrepancy in power. 343 is not that dev.
We're in for a long gen of "What ifs" with this thing. Because eventually, when games are no longer cross gen, and not being held back by PS4 and XB1... Xbox devs will still be held back by a much weaker console. Shame.
tkscz
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Spiderman is Cross gen and looks stunning, Same with Horizon Forbidden West. So Why the FUCK does Halo Infinite look so abysmal?
Could it be... Having to cater to a 4TF console aimed at 1440p gaming as the base? Only the top tier devs will be able to make stunning looking games while dealing with such a discrepancy in power. 343 is not that dev.
We're in for a long gen of "What ifs" with this thing. Because eventually, when games are no longer cross gen, and not being held back by PS4 and XB1... Xbox devs will still be held back by a much weaker console. Shame.
Nope, and thinking like you is quickly turning TFs into the next bits.
The Series S is still a more capable machine in multiple aspects than the XBX. This comes down to just bad developers. The fact that your comparison is the 360 should indicate that this game is ugly even for the base XBO, which would have little to nothing to do with the Series S's hardware being the issue.
Cross gen will hold both next gen platforms back. Some games will not be held back at all, some will be held back tremendously, and some will be held back somewhere in the middle due mainly to design limitations (which we may barely notice without reference points to what the games could have been).
Spiderman looks great, and I don't think its really being held back at all because its a single player game specifically built to expand the original old gen game. If it were a true sequel it might be hampered a lot though if Sony doesn't want old gen to completely miss out on things only next gen can do. Hopefully they don't worry about that kind of thing.
Halo on the other hand is, unless I am mistaken, trying to allow old gen and next to play together like Fortnite. I think multiplayer games are where the issues will really arise, because now you have to make sure there are no gameplay features that can't run only on one generation, and the graphical differences have to be within reason. It's not going to be just a design issue, its going to be a having to throttle next gen to allow old gen to keep up issue. If Sony makes online games cross gen in this respect I expect they will be held back as well on this scale. And likewise, I doubt MS single player games will look nearly as bad as Halo, because while the design will still be hampered to allow old gen to run it, the devs won't have to worry about next gen having an unfair advantage in multiplayer.
Spiderman looks great, and I don't think its really being held back at all because its a single player game specifically built to expand the original old gen game. If it were a true sequel it might be hampered a lot though if Sony doesn't want old gen to completely miss out on things only next gen can do. Hopefully they don't worry about that kind of thing.
Halo on the other hand is, unless I am mistaken, trying to allow old gen and next to play together like Fortnite. I think multiplayer games are where the issues will really arise, because now you have to make sure there are no gameplay features that can't run only on one generation, and the graphical differences have to be within reason. It's not going to be just a design issue, its going to be a having to throttle next gen to allow old gen to keep up issue. If Sony makes online games cross gen in this respect I expect they will be held back as well on this scale. And likewise, I doubt MS single player games will look nearly as bad as Halo, because while the design will still be hampered to allow old gen to run it, the devs won't have to worry about next gen having an unfair advantage in multiplayer.
LittleBusters
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If 343i hadn't screwed the pooch so bad 2 months ago, XBox would be sitting much prettier right now. As things stand, nothing Sony did yesterday caused real damage. Their new games still look fantastic with all those lighting/shiny effects. Sony = more shiny, more light.
iHaunter
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I don't want to blame specific people. It could be the direction that the heads of 343 went.
j0hnnix
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An epiphany has occured!
A few 5s and 6s from what I can see. That results in 6 out of 10 scores in game reviews. Makes sense now.
The_Mike
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That image looks cgi rendering from 2001 or some rookie making his first scene in 3D Max. A disgrace to the Halo franchise.
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Roberts
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Nah, you are not. I think it looked fine - that one unfortunate screenshot, one frame of Craig and clearly unfinished baddie might not look all that hot, but it was awesome to see the gameplay itself in action. I'm not the biggest Halo fan, but the mood, the gunplay sold me on it.
Dontuseducks
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Sorry, but this is a weird thread. Is this suppose to be serious or a weird revebge kinda take on the cross-gen news of Sony?
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