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Is It Bernie’s Party Now?

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Looks like Bernie has a good shot at getting over the hump based off what I see on TV and read online.

I thought his political revolution would be a bunch of hot air again this year. But, I can't help but feel the same way I felt back when I watched Pres. Trump take over as an outsider.

Do you think Bernie has taken over the Democratic party or are you still not feeling the Bern? Really hoping Bernie and Pres. Trump face off as political opponents.
 
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He's still far from a sure thing. The establishment will coalesce against him between now and the convention, the question is who will come out on top in the moderate/centrist lane and how many supporters will Bernie peel away from the drop outs.

Brett Baier mentioned a curious figure earlier tonight on Fox News during Martha MacCallum's hour, claiming upwards of 30% of Biden's supporters would support Bernie as their second choice if he dropped out. Didn't catch what source he was citing, had the NH Trump rally on another screen, but that was an attention-grabbing number considering how open the field still is and how different the two are.
 
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Nope it's just the new flavor of the week. Are you new to elections? The media and the clueless sheople will probably go through three more phases (leading candidates) before the dnc decides for them
 
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If Biden struggles again, I fully expect there to be immense pressure on him to drop out ASAP so that the establishment candidates’ voters will all fall behind Buttigieg.

I’m guessing Klobuchar might get pressured to drop out too and Warren will probably be pressured to stay in to try and siphon voters away from Bernie.

They’re gonna pull out all of the stops to tank Bernie...whether they are able/competent enough to pull it off, I’m 50/50 on.
 
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Not quite yet and still rather unlikely to happen too easily, because a lot of the party establishment dislikes him. But who knows?
 
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I'm a big Sanders supporter and as of right now the answer is a big fat no. It may be in time, but he has to at the very least become the nominee and I think that will be as hard, if not harder than defeating Trump.

CNN right now is running headlines on how Klobuchar took an early lead in NH. It's quite technically true, but this is with like 25 or less total votes cast. So he has to overcome this type of constant garbage first. Then become the nominee despite all of it, and then defeat an incumbent president. And if that all happens we can talk about who owns the party.
 

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There is a colossal amount of money that will be wielded to keep Sanders from winning the primary should it look like that is a possibility. He's basically the anti-christ from the point of view of Wall Street. Warren has become just as bad.
 
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While it is not over yet, I will say I did not expect any of this. I thought Sanders would have been buried by now, and never expected any significant support for Pete
 
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The DNC seems hellbent on not having him run so I expect untold levels of fuckery to stop him.

The money behind the DNC clearly would prefer another term under the God emperor than Bernie.

Mark my words, either a sexual misconduct or some kind of financial crime is being thought up to get him.
 

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this is up to the DNC to decide. if they want Bernie and his legion of dedicated voters they can have him. or they can go with someone else. and completely fuck it up.
 

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If this is the case: The woke left will flock to Sanders, no doubt, most dems that are still sane won't even bother to vote.
 
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I'd say its kind of his party. It reminds me of when unemployable college graduates return home to their parents, and the parents come home every day wondering why the kids are sleeping on the couch in between demands for food and spending money.
 

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I'm a big Sanders supporter and as of right now the answer is a big fat no. It may be in time, but he has to at the very least become the nominee and I think that will be as hard, if not harder than defeating Trump.

CNN right now is running headlines on how Klobuchar took an early lead in NH. It's quite technically true, but this is with like 25 or less total votes cast. So he has to overcome this type of constant garbage first. Then become the nominee despite all of it, and then defeat an incumbent president. And if that all happens we can talk about who owns the party.
Even if Sanders did win the election it wouldn't matter. He would be a lame duck from day one and not get anything at all done through his entire term.
All republicans in house and senate would be against any and every proposal based on policy.
Virtually all democrats in house and senate would be against him based on policy but also hatred against him for tearing down the party.

You would see solid bipartisan agreement in both house and senate for a full 4 years where they join teams in going against Sanders on every single item.
 
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The DNC seems hellbent on not having him run so I expect untold levels of fuckery to stop him.

The money behind the DNC clearly would prefer another term under the God emperor than Bernie.

Mark my words, either a sexual misconduct or some kind of financial crime is being thought up to get him.

He’s honestly similar to Trump in that regard. Wasn’t the rumor that the Access Hollywood tape was a GOP plant?

All Bernie has to do is refuse to step aside in the face of a scandal.
 

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It’s funny that for all the slandering people tried to do of Rogan and Bernie going on Rogan, when he first went on there he was way behind in the polls and since then he’s become arguably the favorite.

The mob fails again.
 
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Even if Sanders did win the election it wouldn't matter. He would be a lame duck from day one and not get anything at all done through his entire term.
All republicans in house and senate would be against any and every proposal based on policy.
Virtually all democrats in house and senate would be against him based on policy but also hatred against him for tearing down the party.

You would see solid bipartisan agreement in both house and senate for a full 4 years where they join teams in going against Sanders on every single item.
It would matter because he can still issue EO's. He can still replace people like the current head of the DNC. He can still do many things even if what you were saying was true.

Regardless he would have the biggest platform available in the world to keep telling everyone how things are and how things should be, and the more that hear his message and the more time he has to say it, the more people will believe it. That's where his power lies and why Trump should be very afraid of having to face him in the General. He has the power of millions of people behind him and that power grows by the day. When he is in office people will understand we deserve better, we can have better, and they will demand it. All these clowns in government work for you and I, not the other way around. When people understand that and demand the changes they want to see, we will have change.
 
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It would matter because he can still issue EO's. He can still replace people like the current head of the DNC. He can still do many things even if what you were saying was true.

Regardless he would have the biggest platform available in the world to keep telling everyone how things are and how things should be, and the more that hear his message and the more time he has to say it, the more people will believe it. That's where his power lies and why Trump should be very afraid of having to face him in the General. He has the power of millions of people behind him and that power grows by the day. When he is in office people will understand we deserve better, we can have better, and they will demand it. All these clowns in government work for you and I, not the other way around. When people understand that and demand the changes they want to see, we will have change.
Sounds like the sort of things the Tea Party said back in 2009, even down to the populism and the "the people in gov't work for us".

It's all cyclical, I guess.
 

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He's still far from a sure thing. The establishment will coalesce against him between now and the convention, the question is who will come out on top in the moderate/centrist lane and how many supporters will Bernie peel away from the drop outs.

Brett Baier mentioned a curious figure earlier tonight on Fox News during Martha MacCallum's hour, claiming upwards of 30% of Biden's supporters would support Bernie as their second choice if he dropped out. Didn't catch what source he was citing, had the NH Trump rally on another screen, but that was an attention-grabbing number considering how open the field still is and how different the two are.
Bernie IS the establishment that he's against...
 
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Bernie IS the establishment that he's against...
I'm not sure what you mean by that? Yes in the very literal sense he is an establishment politician, but if you're saying that makes him like all the rest you haven't been paying any attention.

He's absolutely anti-establishment and that's a big part of why people are voting for him. He has infiltrated the party, and there is real possibility he will take it over. The actual establishment are scared to death of that because he will take their power and give it back to the people.

He's also honest and actually fights for the working class. That's about as anti-establishment as it gets.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by that? Yes in the very literal sense he is an establishment politician, but if you're saying that makes him like all the rest you haven't been paying any attention.

He's absolutely anti-establishment and that's a big part of why people are voting for him. He has infiltrated the party, and there is real possibility he will take it over. The actual establishment are scared to death of that because he will take their power and give it back to the people.

He's also honest and actually fights for the working class. That's about as anti-establishment as it gets.
How so? He isn't simply just because he says so, to be "anti-establishment" you have to mean it, that means not being a supporter of big government and using government for literally all of your policies, like Bernie.
 

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My concern is that Bernie will "fight for the working class" and then the leverage he seizes will be used by establishment Dems anyway. The Democrat party is too fractured to offer a long-term solution here. Sanders, AOC, Ilhan Omar et al need to either join the Green Party or start their own party where voters can be assured the party will hold to its aims.

It's not like this is the first time socialism was proposed to Americans. Look at what happened to our unions and how they've choked out competition in favor of tenure/seniority. What will prevent a mistake like this from happening in the industries that Bernie wishes to upend, like healthcare and manufacturing? What will prevent the establishment bureaucrats from moving in and abusing all the gains Bernie makes like they always do following a socialist leader?
 
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No, he get's 30% of the vote. 70% of the vote is still going to other candidates.
Pres. Trump got a plurality of the vote too.

It was a tad higher than Mr. Sanders.

In any event, a lot of people don't participate. You have say 30M+ in the primary, 60M+ in the general voting for the left. And in the US it's 230M+ eligible overall. So, it's not like anyone has an outright mandate if that's what you're getting at.
 

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Hahaha
The left is so fractured that some of them need to keep their donor secret in case another faction takes offense and becomes violent.

Un-fucking-beliveable. And here we are 10 months to the election and we have open warfare between left factions.
Good luck.

EDIT: The DNC convention will be interesting. When there is no clear winner and the super delegates step in in round 2 and declares whoever is not bernie to be the winner.
Hope the hard left remembers the mantra : vote-blue-no-matter-who and decides to accept defeat of their candidate peacefully and switches their vote to the DNC candidate. :)
 
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lol "grassroots"

Hahaha
The left is so fractured that some of them need to keep their donor secret in case another faction takes offense and becomes violent.

Un-fucking-beliveable. And here we are 10 months to the election and we have open warfare between left factions.
Good luck.

EDIT: The DNC convention will be interesting. When there is no clear winner and the super delegates step in in round 2 and declares whoever is not bernie to be the winner.
Hope the hard left remembers the mantra : vote-blue-no-matter-who and decides to accept defeat of their candidate peacefully and switches their vote to the DNC candidate. :)
Obama saw the signs way back in May of last year.

The DNC definitely wants their constituents to vote party over policy this time around (again). The big problem with trying that trick again is they didn't really deliver any of the progressive goals during the last 4 years. Remember? Justice Democrats -- even though the reps are idiots -- have the right idea. Establishment Dems aren't going to actually deliver on their promises but will continue begging everyone to "please stay unified" while they pick and choose which interest groups actually get the things they want (starting with the corporate megadonors lol).

Reminds me a lot of the post-Reagan republicans who were kinda-sorta unified under the banner of "good ol' Christian American values" but were completely incapable of delivering on their promises to all of their constituent groups, leading to the rise of the neocons and the disenfranchisement of many conservatives.
 

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Realistically Bernie's lead only exists on paper. If you compare the combined votes(29 delegates) for the far left candidates (Sanders+Warren) to the combined votes(35 delegates) of the centrists (Buttigieg, Biden, and Klobuchar) the centrists are dominant.

Will be interesting to see if dems change lanes in meaningful numbers once the pack thins out. If they don't then Bernie is going to lose the nomination to whichever centrist comes out on top.

If Warren is the progressive she claims to be she needs to drop out after Nevada and throw her full support behind Sanders.
 
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Realistically Bernie's lead only exists on paper. If you compare the combined votes(29 delegates) for the far left candidates (Sanders+Warren) to the combined votes(35 delegates) of the centrists (Buttigieg, Biden, and Klobuchar) the centrists are dominant.

Will be interesting to see if dems change lanes in meaningful numbers once the pack thins out. If they don't then Bernie is going to lose the nomination to whichever centrist comes out on top.

If Warren is the progressive she claims to be she needs to drop out after Nevada and throw her full support behind Sanders.
That's generally a safe way to view it, but it can be deceptive because supporters of all those candidates have wildly varying second choices, like a sizable chunk of Biden supporters apparently siding with Bernie should he drop out, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Buttigieg is no centrist, he's just marketing himself like one because that's what's most appealing to independents.
 

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That's generally a safe way to view it, but it can be deceptive because supporters of all those candidates have wildly varying second choices, like a sizable chunk of Biden supporters apparently siding with Bernie should he drop out, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Buttigieg is no centrist, he's just marketing himself like one because that's what's most appealing to independents.
Buttigieg is their candidate-by-committee. If there were fewer far-left crazies he would be leaning on that LGBTQ+ support hard.

I mean, how is it not a daily headline that we might have our first gay president? If anyone has a suggestion or an idea, I'd love to hear your thoughts. I have no clue how his status as a homosexual is not being leveraged more? I thought that levering one's status as a minority group was supposed to be.... oh right, I forgot that gay white men are toward the bottom of the totem pole now that they've stepped aside for newer Democrat voters.

Buttigieg's perceived status as a "moderate" in comparison to his Democrat peers is a signal that should not be ignored.
 
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mayor cia is only here to nuke bernie from orbit

(nothing against our brothers and sisters of the fourth pillar, love you guys)
 
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