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Is it possible to be a responsible casual drug user?
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frankie_baby
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Video games, movies, books, plays are evading behavior too. And according to your logic, not all that responsible.
Instead of taking a conclusion (drugs are bad) and trying to rationalize, maybe you should actually try to analyze critically before coming to conclusions.
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How do you look at it? Are you talking more about psychological risks? A few quick searches indicate to me that the hallucinogens listed have no notable adverse health impacts and do not create a physiological dependence in the user.
Valnen
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If you do coke you have a problem. Period. I have no problem with people who do weed but people who do harder stuff need to be locked in a hospital until they stop.
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Maddocks
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it is only a problem if it effects your everyday life. But to throw whiskeys good name around after all the good it has done in this world. SHAME!
Valnen
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I would say if you're getting drunk every weekend you have a drinking problem and are definitely just as bad as someone who does coke.
Because you're doing fucking cocaine.
ConvenientBox
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Yes, plenty. I don't live in Miami though, and I seriously doubt that they used coke.
Devolution
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You don't have to live in Miami to know adults who lived through the 80s and did a bit of coke.
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Why? Because you said so?
Come on if you are going to be so hard line on it give me some reason?
Valnen
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Well people seem to use that argument on me all the time around here so why not.
If you can't see why you're already too far gone and are an example of someone who should be hospitalized.
Hey man, coke ain't bad if you only do a couple bumps once or twice a week.
Sure people do get carried away with it tho.
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frankie_baby
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Go on tell me why, give me an actual reason
I'm sure the NHS would like to waste their time and resources on something even my own doctor has no issue with me doing
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After having smoked weed on occasion over the past year, for the life of my I can't understand what the big deal is. You set aside time, you smoke, you relax and play games or listen to music or watch shows or just talk with friends, and it's just nice and interesting. There's no reason why it has to bleed into other parts of life (like school or work). Most people are capable of moderating alcohol, so the same can be said about weed; I don't get the taboo.
Yes, abuse is bad but this is the case with EVERYTHING. And you don't just become an abuser by casually doing a drug like this. If anything, many times you'll realize that you don't even have to do it more than once a week (or every two weeks, or month, whatever). It's not that big of a deal. It's fun but it's also a "take it or leave it" sort of thing. Do I want to drop it? No, of course not. But it's a nice thing to do once in a while, so why should I? It's not like I want to drop watching my favorite shows or playing my favorite games or seeing my favorite friends. And it's not like anyone wants to do that either. I don't consider doing drugs to be a hobby, but I can see why it's equally harmless depending on the situation.
I'm completely cool with "straight edge" people, but that's probably because, even as someone who dabbles in alcoholic beverages and marijuana, I could easily stop my intake of these things if there was a reason to do so. Not partaking in casual drugs isn't "making a statement" or "overcoming weakness," it's just choosing not to partake in another recreational activity that's harmless at its core.
If you're a logical person, and you can stay in control (which isn't that hard depending on the drug, as others have noted), there's nothing stopping you from "being responsible." Problem is--and this should be obvious--the idiots of the world make everything look worse.
Yes, abuse is bad but this is the case with EVERYTHING. And you don't just become an abuser by casually doing a drug like this. If anything, many times you'll realize that you don't even have to do it more than once a week (or every two weeks, or month, whatever). It's not that big of a deal. It's fun but it's also a "take it or leave it" sort of thing. Do I want to drop it? No, of course not. But it's a nice thing to do once in a while, so why should I? It's not like I want to drop watching my favorite shows or playing my favorite games or seeing my favorite friends. And it's not like anyone wants to do that either. I don't consider doing drugs to be a hobby, but I can see why it's equally harmless depending on the situation.
I'm completely cool with "straight edge" people, but that's probably because, even as someone who dabbles in alcoholic beverages and marijuana, I could easily stop my intake of these things if there was a reason to do so. Not partaking in casual drugs isn't "making a statement" or "overcoming weakness," it's just choosing not to partake in another recreational activity that's harmless at its core.
If you're a logical person, and you can stay in control (which isn't that hard depending on the drug, as others have noted), there's nothing stopping you from "being responsible." Problem is--and this should be obvious--the idiots of the world make everything look worse.
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No, you can do whatever the hell you want - it's your life - and he shouldn't assume otherwise. But you guys are making it seem that casual cocaine use can equate going for a coffee. For the record I think people who get wasted every weekend are addicted.
You also gotta take into account what goes on to get that cocaine to you, this isn't some hippy growing weed in British Columbia. You are essentially supporting that economy...
I don't do coke, but I know a few guys who do a couple lines a month and have been doing for years. They're perfectly normal men with successful careers. It's not that bad of a drug.
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Ok, now you have to tell us what happened. C'mon bro, we are here to help. What happened?
I would equate coke with an espresso. That's why I don't get the big deal, just drink a latte, same effect for me.
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CHEEZMO™;45372249 said:
Because they're hypocrites. They can say something is okay "just because" and I can't? Fuck that.
Doing shit like cocaine, vicodin and E isn't being responsible in any way shape or form.
Doesn't matter if you do it once a week or once a month, it's stupid and it's not responsible. Especially doing narcotic pills when you don't need them, they are EXTREMELY addictive and ruin millions of lives.
umop_3pisdn
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Coke isn't as bad as it's made out to be in many instances, the position you're expressing is potentially harmful to some people because it lacks the nuance that this subject deserves. When people realize that certain things that have been demonized aren't as bad as they were lead to believe they may start to question everything that they were told leading to some behavior that could perhaps be legitimately considered reckless. For those with a real curiosity about these things the best asset for harm reduction is honesty and unbiased information.
Devolution
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Or you know it's the individual not necessarily the drug. If you have an addictive personality don't touch some stuff. Some people exert a good amount of self-control and it doesn't mean just doing a drug qualifies them as irresponsible people.
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Well I'm generally not the sort of person that says "just because" so dont use that excuse on me, if you think i should be hospitalised at the cost of thousands to the taxpayers then give me a valid reason
Honestly, you sound like you should be in a hospital, and if you can't see why you're already too far gone.
Where do you get your information from? Reefer Madness?
You seem like someone who is trying to justify their terrible coke habbit.
You can have all the self control in the world and still get addicted. If you are doing cocaine and popping pills every weekend you are not responsible.
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Swell logic, asking for a more nuanced opinion makes you an addict of said drug. Ha.
According to you. Some people can stop if and when they need to. Do people even know about the 80s?
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JB1981
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Lol, you sound more drug-addled than anyone else in this thread and you're meant to be the straight one? I have used cocaine, and I have stopped. It didn't turn me into a meth-head, I didn't start nailing cats to church doors, I boogied, I went home, I slept. You're talking a load of utter bollocks man.
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Junior, please.
Trying to justify that cocaine use is ok sounds like an addict trying to justify their habbits.
The fact you even try to defend people who do this shit is laughable, if you want to destroy your body and do drugs that is your prerogative but don't like its a responsible thing to do, to go out every weekend and snort some coke, pop some vicodin and do E. That is the opposite of being a responsible person.
I can't even argue with you anymore. Look up the statistics of how many people die a year from drug abuse. Look up the statistics of how many people actually quit doing heroin and pills and actually stay sober without relapsing over and over.
What is the % of people who are real addicts that kick the habbit and stay sober?
umop_3pisdn
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You seem like someone quite eager to make unsubstantiated inferences about other people's positions while making no effort to understand the claims which they are actually making, which honestly I find utterly embarrassing if you have any intention of actually having a reasonable discussion.
I'm a Buddhist who has taken the five precepts, I don't drink or do recreational drugs of any kind, and unlike many people with an unexamined aversion to these substances my position of abstinence is based on personal introspection.
Lotta misconceptions about cocaine in this thread. It's nowhere near as addictive or dangerous as crack, heroin or meth as long as it's used within reason. Essentially, if you treat coke like e/MDMA and use it once every few weekends, then it's pretty easy to be a casual user.
Being a responsible user is a whole different game however. That depends on where you do the drug, how much you are doing, who you are with and your familiarity with how the drug affects you and how you keep in control while high. (talking about ecstasy and coke here mainly, although funnily alcohol applies here too, but I'm from the UK and the binge culture here is a pretty nasty business.)
Being a responsible user is a whole different game however. That depends on where you do the drug, how much you are doing, who you are with and your familiarity with how the drug affects you and how you keep in control while high. (talking about ecstasy and coke here mainly, although funnily alcohol applies here too, but I'm from the UK and the binge culture here is a pretty nasty business.)
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