Is Liberal Racism a Horse of a Different Color?

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Be honest. Are you really surprised that the New York Times has stood by its decision to hire Sarah Jeong as an editorial board member even after it was revealed she spent years on social media making openly racist and sexist remarks about white men? You may be outraged, sure. But surprised?

To paraphrase a well-known political figure, Ms. Jeong could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot a white person without losing the support of liberals. It’s a safe bet she was tapped by the Times because of these racial prejudices, not despite them. Editorial board members are hired to help formulate and express the official position of a newspaper. Ms. Jeong is being hired to speak for the Times, and they like where she’s coming from.
The liberals who control most major media outlets specialize in applying different standards to different groups. Like the Times, Twitter had no problem with Ms. Jeong’s repugnant observations. Scores of tweets that included offensive phrases—“#cancelwhitepeople”; “are White people genetically disposed to burn faster in the sun?”; “White people have stopped breeding. you’ll all go extinct soon. that was my plan all along”—didn’t faze Jack Dorsey’s content monitors. But when conservative activist Candace Owens decided last weekend to reproduce Ms. Jeong’s posts and replace “white” with “black” or “Jewish,” Twitter temporarily suspended her account. Following a backlash, Twitter restored the account and claimed that “we made an error.”
Welcome to another example of the left’s inconsistency on race. If the goal is a postracial America, why does racial identity continue to be liberalism’s overriding obsession? Why is racism viewed as something to redirect rather than end outright? If you’re situated on the progressive left, racist views are OK to harbor so long as they’re targeted at the right groups for the proper reasons?
Source: Wall Street Journal

@TTOOLL posted this link in the NYT thread.
 
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Racism is racism. The Left insists there is widespread "internalized racism" in America.

Okay, I don't agree but let's assume they're right. How, then, can the Left justify their constant dodging and word-manipulation and inconsistency when it comes to their own statements on race? If our country is so steeped in "hidden" racism, how can one side justify hiding and denying their darker side while simultaneously pointing out the behaviors of your political opponents?

It stands to reason that racism can infect the Left just as much as the right, especially when there are so many white-skinned people on the Left (who appear to be the source of racism, according to the Left's logic).

Clean your house, Left-wingers. Trump isn't your biggest threat.
 

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Racism is racism. The Left insists there is widespread "internalized racism" in America.

Okay, I don't agree but let's assume they're right. How, then, can the Left justify their constant dodging and word-manipulation and inconsistency when it comes to their own statements on race? If our country is so steeped in "hidden" racism, how can one side justify hiding and denying their darker side while simultaneously pointing out the behaviors of your political opponents?

It stands to reason that racism can infect the Left just as much as the right, especially when there are so many white-skinned people on the Left (who appear to be the source of racism, according to the Left's logic).

Clean your house, Left-wingers. Trump isn't your biggest threat.
Yep. This has been going on long before Trump, and this will be going on long after he is in office. They will then find another boogeyman to blame, rather that doing self reflecting proper.
 

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I don't know what it is exactly, all I know is that it's really gross.

And not just the grassroots populist "punching up" racism of Jeong, but the innumerable ways the establishment left is constantly invoking race all the time. The way they treat black conservatives is some of the most stomach-churning poison I've ever seen in my lifetime.
 
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Is the Liberal party in the UK considered "Liberal" and the left?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/08/labour-suspends-party-members-in-antisemitic-facebook-group

Labour has suspended several party members who posted in a closed Facebook group which featured a number of antisemitic messages. The party’s compliance unit is working through a dossier on the group, of which Jeremy Corbyn was once a member, that was compiled by a campaigner.

Some of the posts on Palestine Live appear to include links to Holocaust denial myths, allegations of Israel’s involvement in the 9/11 and 7/7 terror attacks and the training of Islamic State fighters, and conspiracy theories involving the Rothschild family.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6048807/Photos-Labour-leader-Corbyn-tribute-event-Palestine-martyrs-linked-Munich-massacre.html

A memorial wreath in his hand, Jeremy Corbyn stands feet from the graves of terror leaders linked to the Munich Massacre.

The picture was among a number taken during a service to honour Palestinian 'martyrs'.

Buried in the cemetery in Tunisia are members of Black September, the terror group which massacred 11 Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics.
 

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I don't know what it is exactly, all I know is that it's really gross.

And not just the grassroots populist "punching up" racism of Jeong, but the innumerable ways the establishment left is constantly invoking race all the time. The way they treat black conservatives is some of the most stomach-churning poison I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Hence why those PoC on the right call it, "escaping The Democrat's Plantation".
 

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The right may want to consider why it’s overwhelmingly unpopular among non-whites. Caterwauling that “libs are da real racists” probably isn’t the answer.
I do not know how you extrapolated “libs are da real racists” out of the context of said post, since both sides have racists/bigots and ALL colors or creeds can be racist/bigoted. Just because someone is pushed more moderate or conservative, that does not take away their agency of what they have experienced, and it is a total full of shit lie if one will pretend it is not every bit as prevalent on the Left, especially the far left.

Now about the article, which was written by a black man. What is your take?
 
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The left are the ultimate racists. Why?

If you are a POC and do not vote for the Democrats or are seem as. Conservative, they will persecute you. Look at Candace Owens, Kanye West and other black people who are conservatives.

This is essentially denying black people their right to vote freely. White, middle class liberals feel entitled to minority votes and if they don’t get them..... they feel entitled to punish them. With violence in many cases.
 

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Yep. This has been going on long before Trump, and this will be going on long after he is in office. They will then find another boogeyman to blame, rather that doing self reflecting proper.
This pretty much sums up both of your political parties really. If it's not the lazy negroes using all the welfare that "hard working Americans" have to pay for, it's the lazy mexicans...who are also taking all the jobs. If it's not them, then it's the Chinese putting mom and pops out of business.

America doesn't really seem big on self reflection and your political parties are not shockingly the same. The parties feed off the irrational racial fears, who in turn perpetuate these fears to continue to accumulate power, who use that power to further hurt citizens and blame their struggles on the others. It's been observed plenty of times within your country's history.

At some point your parties will have to face hard truths. Some will say "Liberals are the real racists! Conservatives are about equality" but simply looking at the party coalition and demographics (not to mention the freudian and racial slips and frequency of said slips) of each party and rhetoric it'd be hard to argue that in good faith from a historical context.

Example, Bryank75 says you'll be persecuted if you're a Conservative black voter, but they're persecuted either way. One side will call them uncle toms, the other side will tell them they're "on the plantation" and are "conditioned" and just want "handouts." One can point out to how Obama and his wife were demonised in America, so much racial hatred. He was "Kenyan", "Muslim", his wife was an "ape in heels", a "man", looked like she "belonged in a zoo",, she "looked like a monkey", terrorist fist jabs, he only got the position because he was black he's not qualified, he's giving black people Obama phones, he's giving black people handouts (in the same breath "what has he done for you people?!"). A fringe racist group that is the tea party hijacked Conservatives and shifted them even further right (which to me is absolutely bonkers)

Liberals have never gotten majority of white vote since the Dixiecrats joined the Conservatives, and Conservatives have never gotten a sizeable portion of the black vote since...well ever. Both parties are gonna have to have much needed conversations amongst themselves over these issues and figure out a better way forward.

If anything I think this shows America's two party FPTP system is the absolute worst thing ever.
 
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This pretty much sums up both of your political parties really. If it's not the lazy negroes using all the welfare that "hard working Americans" have to pay for, it's the lazy mexicans...who are also taking all the jobs. If it's not them, then it's the Chinese putting mom and pops out of business.

America doesn't really seem big on self reflection and your political parties are not shockingly the same. The parties feed off the irrational racial fears, who in turn perpetuate these fears to continue to accumulate power, who use that power to further hurt citizens and blame their struggles on the others. It's been observed plenty of times within your country's history.

At some point your parties will have to face hard truths. Some will say "Liberals are the real racists! Conservatives are about equality" but simply looking at the party coalition and demographics (not to mention the freudian and racial slips and frequency of said slips) of each party and rhetoric it'd be hard to argue that in good faith from a historical context.

Example, Bryank75 says you'll be persecuted if you're a Conservative black voter, but they're persecuted either way. One side will call them uncle toms, the other side will tell them they're "on the plantation" and are "conditioned" and just want "handouts." One can point out to how Obama and his wife were demonised in America, so much racial hatred. He was "Kenyan", "Muslim", his wife was an "ape in heels", a "man", looked like she "belonged in a zoo",, she "looked like a monkey", terrorist fist jabs, he only got the position because he was black he's not qualified, he's giving black people Obama phones, he's giving black people handouts (in the same breath "what has he done for you people?!"). A fringe racist group that is the tea party hijacked Conservatives and shifted them even further right (which to me is absolutely bonkers)

Liberals have never gotten majority of white vote since the Dixiecrats joined the Conservatives, and Conservatives have never gotten a sizeable portion of the black vote since...well ever. Both parties are gonna have to have much needed conversations amongst themselves over these issues and figure out a better way forward.

If anything I think this shows America's two party FPTP system is the absolute worst thing ever.
I would not say worst thing ever, since we have countless communistic/socialist dictatorships we can draw from the past and present, but I will agree the current bipartisan divide & conquer structure that keeps regressing is FUBAR.
 

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The right may want to consider why it’s overwhelmingly unpopular among non-whites. Caterwauling that “libs are da real racists” probably isn’t the answer.
The right may be unpopular with non-whites because those on the left present their side as means to an end to "whiteness".
 
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The right may be unpopular with non-whites because those on the left present their side as means to an end to "whiteness".
There may be a shred of truth to this, just look at the banners they hold up (this is from today).


Relevant and it will never end as long as this is how extremes peddle and operate on either side.

 
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This pretty much sums up both of your political parties really. If it's not the lazy negroes using all the welfare that "hard working Americans" have to pay for, it's the lazy mexicans...who are also taking all the jobs. If it's not them, then it's the Chinese putting mom and pops out of business.

America doesn't really seem big on self reflection and your political parties are not shockingly the same. The parties feed off the irrational racial fears, who in turn perpetuate these fears to continue to accumulate power, who use that power to further hurt citizens and blame their struggles on the others. It's been observed plenty of times within your country's history.

At some point your parties will have to face hard truths. Some will say "Liberals are the real racists! Conservatives are about equality" but simply looking at the party coalition and demographics (not to mention the freudian and racial slips and frequency of said slips) of each party and rhetoric it'd be hard to argue that in good faith from a historical context.

Example, Bryank75 says you'll be persecuted if you're a Conservative black voter, but they're persecuted either way. One side will call them uncle toms, the other side will tell them they're "on the plantation" and are "conditioned" and just want "handouts." One can point out to how Obama and his wife were demonised in America, so much racial hatred. He was "Kenyan", "Muslim", his wife was an "ape in heels", a "man", looked like she "belonged in a zoo",, she "looked like a monkey", terrorist fist jabs, he only got the position because he was black he's not qualified, he's giving black people Obama phones, he's giving black people handouts (in the same breath "what has he done for you people?!"). A fringe racist group that is the tea party hijacked Conservatives and shifted them even further right (which to me is absolutely bonkers)

Liberals have never gotten majority of white vote since the Dixiecrats joined the Conservatives, and Conservatives have never gotten a sizeable portion of the black vote since...well ever. Both parties are gonna have to have much needed conversations amongst themselves over these issues and figure out a better way forward.

If anything I think this shows America's two party FPTP system is the absolute worst thing ever.
This is why I enjoy the conversation here so much.... we can work through all this stuff without getting aggressive and overly emotional or ......banned (like in other places I won’t mention).

You’ve given me a few things to ponder over....
Although I wouldn’t put that nonsense they were calling Obama (nobody with a brain took it seriously) on the same level as protesting and ruining Candace’s breakfast, what Kanye went through and .....



Stuff like this
 

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This pretty much sums up both of your political parties really. If it's not the lazy negroes using all the welfare that "hard working Americans" have to pay for, it's the lazy mexicans...who are also taking all the jobs. If it's not them, then it's the Chinese putting mom and pops out of business.

America doesn't really seem big on self reflection and your political parties are not shockingly the same. The parties feed off the irrational racial fears, who in turn perpetuate these fears to continue to accumulate power, who use that power to further hurt citizens and blame their struggles on the others. It's been observed plenty of times within your country's history.

At some point your parties will have to face hard truths. Some will say "Liberals are the real racists! Conservatives are about equality" but simply looking at the party coalition and demographics (not to mention the freudian and racial slips and frequency of said slips) of each party and rhetoric it'd be hard to argue that in good faith from a historical context.

Example, Bryank75 says you'll be persecuted if you're a Conservative black voter, but they're persecuted either way. One side will call them uncle toms, the other side will tell them they're "on the plantation" and are "conditioned" and just want "handouts." One can point out to how Obama and his wife were demonised in America, so much racial hatred. He was "Kenyan", "Muslim", his wife was an "ape in heels", a "man", looked like she "belonged in a zoo",, she "looked like a monkey", terrorist fist jabs, he only got the position because he was black he's not qualified, he's giving black people Obama phones, he's giving black people handouts (in the same breath "what has he done for you people?!"). A fringe racist group that is the tea party hijacked Conservatives and shifted them even further right (which to me is absolutely bonkers)

Liberals have never gotten majority of white vote since the Dixiecrats joined the Conservatives, and Conservatives have never gotten a sizeable portion of the black vote since...well ever. Both parties are gonna have to have much needed conversations amongst themselves over these issues and figure out a better way forward.

If anything I think this shows America's two party FPTP system is the absolute worst thing ever.
I think its gotten to that point where the 2 party system is outdated and just doesn't really work. If you want to attract voters the best way is to show how you are right and your opponent is wrong. When there are only 2 parties then politics devolves into the other side is wrong so I am taking the opposite position no matter what so you will vote for me. American politics has literally become a zero sum game since a vote for the other guy means a lost vote for you.

I wonder what America would like with a parliamentary system.
 

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A large portion of the left has been utterly consumed by identity politics. Divide people up into groups and attach either "oppressor" or "oppressed" labels to them. As long as you're "punching up" at the oppressed, you can't be racist, sexist etc., which is why Jeong can get away with the shit she said, but a white person saying the exact same shit about black folks would have been fired moments after the tweets were uncovered.

It's also why people use the term "oppression Olympics", because groups will fight with other groups about who is the most oppressed, or whether one group isn't a big enough "ally". See the fighting that occurs between black feminists and white feminists for examples of this.

All this attitude ultimately does is divide people - taken to its extreme, you literally have lefties calling for "spaces" where white people and men aren't allowed in, or for black-only proms and graduation ceremonies - shit like that. It also lets people off the hook for saying and doing seriously obnoxious shit because of the inherent double standards that are part of identity politics.

You can tell that it's a religious cult when you have women or non-white people that don't want to conform to their bullshit and climb into little boxes with labels on them. Those sorts of people are met with serious venom from the cultists, are called "Uncle Toms", told they have "internalised misogyny" and so on.

Like any religious cult, any evidence, facts, logic, or reason that undermines the core tenets of the cult are met with immediate scorn, are written off, and whoever was responsible is labelled as an alt-right Nazi racist etc. because if someone is tarnished as those things then they are wrong by default and the cultists then don't have to actually address their actual points.

The religious cult has their own language and way of communicating that normal people don't use. Each member of the cult has their own "word salad bag" stored in memory that they can pull responses from, so if someone is arguing that people should be hired based on their ability to do a job - qualifications, experience etc. - then the cult member can pull out a word salad phrase like "meritocracy is a tool of white patriarchal oppression" before calling the person arguing in favour of meritocracy racist, this-ist, that-phobic etc. and blocking them on Twitter.
 

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The right may want to consider why it’s overwhelmingly unpopular among non-whites.
The same reason why black people themselves were "overwhelmingly unpopular among non-whites" for hundreds of years. People tend to believe the prejudice they are fed, and then see confirmation bias everywhere.
 
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The UK, while it's called a "parliamentary system" on paper, is not what your quoted poster wants. The UK also has a first-past-the-post system, which is the same as America's. Like Republicans and Democrats in America, the UK has Conservatives and Labour. Voting for anyone else is a wasted vote.
 

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Reverse the race in question, is it racist? Yes, yes it is. Racism is racism lets just call it that, no need to get horses involved.
 

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The big cultural shift that happened in this decade that is pretty much the source of all it's problems is that the left wing decided that if you're not white, it's ok to be racist and even if you are white, it's ok to be racist against other whites, the whole "racism is prejudice+power" thing that is a flat out dangerous idea that has had a calamitous result for American society.

What's the fundamental difference between a black guy who's really, really into African culture and his heritage, just LOVES being black and in fact being black is the central core of his identity and a white guy who's really, really into say Viking culture and his heritage, just LOVES being white and in fact being white is the central core of his identity?

In a fundamental way, there is no difference, you can be racist regardless of what your race is.
 
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I would not say worst thing ever, since we have countless communistic/socialist dictatorships we can draw from the past and present, but I will agree the current bipartisan divide & conquer structure that keeps regressing is FUBAR.
I'm speaking in regards to developed democratic nations, America's truly is the worst. Not directed at you in particular but when "the greatest nation in the world" has to compare it's various systems to third world countries when they're questioned or put in the spotlight instead of other first world countries, light bulbs should go off.
 
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Some racism is steeped in a paternalistic attitude, yes.

I can't imagine it's different than any other form of racism, but racism in general has become a catch-all we use to describe anyone we don't like.
 

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I'm speaking in regards to developed democratic nations, America's truly is the worst. Not directed at you in particular but when "the greatest nation in the world" has to compare it's various systems to third world countries when they're questioned or put in the spotlight instead of other first world countries, light bulbs should go off.
The UK seems to not be faring too well either with all the shit coming out and transpiring, everyone has skeletons in the closet it seems.

Not to deflect, but I don't think America is the worst of all the Western Nations.
 

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The big cultural shift that happened in this decade that is pretty much the source of all it's problems is that the left wing decided that if you're not white, it's ok to be racist and even if you are white, it's ok to be racist against other whites, the whole "racism is prejudice+power" thing that is a flat out dangerous idea that has had a calamitous result for American society.

What's the fundamental difference between a black guy who's really, really into African culture and his heritage, just LOVES being black and in fact being black is the central core of his identity and a white guy who's really, really into say Viking culture and his heritage, just LOVES being white and in fact being white is the central core of his identity?

In a fundamental way, there is no difference, you can be racist regardless of what your race is.
Even as a Brit this isn't factual at all and is very reductive. Black Americans celebrate coming together as a group, a group who has to constantly overcome their people being set back. They don't celebrate African culture because well first Africa is a continent, but most importantly vast majority of black Americans don't know where they're from, their original cultural ties were systematically wiped out and taken from them. So they celebrate overcoming slavery, botched reconstruction, lynching, their towns being burned down in the hundreds of racial riots in the late 1800s through 1900s, Jim Crow, segregation, etc. They're celebrating all the triumphs their people have made despite the constant roadblocks, the celebrate seeing each other in spaces they're often denied. That's their "black power", it's basically defiance in the face of a system that wasn't created for them, doesn't want them, and tries to kick them down constantly. I mean what is black America if not the constant overcoming of struggle. From the 1600s to TBD, it's been them being broken down but getting back up.

And the thing is until very very recently the country didn't even want them to integrate/assimilate so America can't really be upset at them still holding on to their identity.

I don't think anyone in your country has an issue with say German-Americans celebrating their german customs or Italians being Italian, or Greeks, Irish, etc. But that definitely is a different than celebrating "white America" which until very recently was the exclusion and systematic disenfranchisement of everyone else. And even now is seen as the "default" in America and everyone else is the abrasion. While that basically comes with being the majority in any country, it's application and use to further disenfranchise others is what "white power" means in that context. I mean this is observed in your everyday language. Native, African, Asian, Latino Americans are hyphenated not because they do it to themselves, but because they're the "others", the boogeymen who in some capacity are/have ruined America. Well that and they are visibly different.

As a brit, these last 5 years, I've become way more aware of how terrible the majority population has been to our various minority groups, and how much of this country's history and customs were created off the suffering of minority groups.
Sadly many british folks will tell you there's no racism here because here everyone is "British" and we don't do hyphenated (we do but it's not as common as the US), but the truth is we're pretty racist too.

Hence why those PoC on the right call it, "escaping The Democrat's Plantation".
But the idea it's PoC on the right making that statement is being very disingenuous, and is an example of Conservatives inability to do some reflection. The whole slave parallels is something MANY people (majority of them unfortunately white) within the Conservatives party use to suggest black people are voting wrong. That, and "wanting handouts", and "free" stuff are narratives the Conservatives created in the 60s and are still used. The argument that it's just PoC Conservatives saying that does not reflect reality, and the reason they're allowed to say things like that is because others within the Conservative party don't hold them accountable, in fact from what I've observed that kind of rhetoric is encouraged. It's probably the main reason why you hear of so many racial slips from Conservative politicians because it's so normal for many of them to say because no one holds them to task until it makes news, and even then nothing really happens.

The UK seems to not be faring too well either with all the shit coming out and transpiring, everyone has skeletons in the closet it seems.

Not to deflect, but I don't think America is the worst of all the Western Nations.
Oh Britain definitely has a bunch of shite in our closets for sure. We're far from perfect, I mean look at the rise of UKIP.

I haven't studied all of them western nation party systems in super detail but I can't imagine any being worse. Like you guys basically helped S.Korea create its government and even they didn't go with a strict two party system.
 
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A large portion of the left has been utterly consumed by identity politics. Divide people up into groups and attach either "oppressor" or "oppressed" labels to them. As long as you're "punching up" at the oppressed, you can't be racist, sexist etc., which is why Jeong can get away with the shit she said, but a white person saying the exact same shit about black folks would have been fired moments after the tweets were uncovered.

It's also why people use the term "oppression Olympics", because groups will fight with other groups about who is the most oppressed, or whether one group isn't a big enough "ally". See the fighting that occurs between black feminists and white feminists for examples of this.

All this attitude ultimately does is divide people - taken to its extreme, you literally have lefties calling for "spaces" where white people and men aren't allowed in, or for black-only proms and graduation ceremonies - shit like that. It also lets people off the hook for saying and doing seriously obnoxious shit because of the inherent double standards that are part of identity politics.

You can tell that it's a religious cult when you have women or non-white people that don't want to conform to their bullshit and climb into little boxes with labels on them. Those sorts of people are met with serious venom from the cultists, are called "Uncle Toms", told they have "internalised misogyny" and so on.

Like any religious cult, any evidence, facts, logic, or reason that undermines the core tenets of the cult are met with immediate scorn, are written off, and whoever was responsible is labelled as an alt-right Nazi racist etc. because if someone is tarnished as those things then they are wrong by default and the cultists then don't have to actually address their actual points.

The religious cult has their own language and way of communicating that normal people don't use. Each member of the cult has their own "word salad bag" stored in memory that they can pull responses from, so if someone is arguing that people should be hired based on their ability to do a job - qualifications, experience etc. - then the cult member can pull out a word salad phrase like "meritocracy is a tool of white patriarchal oppression" before calling the person arguing in favour of meritocracy racist, this-ist, that-phobic etc. and blocking them on Twitter.
Yeah, this is how I feel. I'm all for free speech, and letting people do their thing so long as they don't hurt anyone or take money out of my pocket. I have to say modern day liberals (or at least the loud ones that everyone seem to focus on) have left me kind of disenfranchised. I feel like somehow tumblr took over and it's horrifying.
 

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The right may be unpopular with non-whites because those on the left present their side as means to an end to "whiteness".
Ah, the white genocide theory. Compelling.

The same reason why black people themselves were "overwhelmingly unpopular among non-whites" for hundreds of years. People tend to believe the prejudice they are fed, and then see confirmation bias everywhere.
Does that also explain why whites tend to favor the right?
 

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Ah, the white genocide theory. Compelling.
No man, I’m not making that assertion. The rhetoric that Serah Jeong spewed certainly does tho.
 
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The left-wing's idea that racism requires power is not a bad one. Just think of these questions:

Does anti-white racism have an effect on your average white guy's life? The answer to this is: NO. If a New York Times tech editor shitposting on Twitter is the best example of anti-white racism, we got it real good. Very few of us will ever see this person in real life and we can safely ignore their opinions.

Does anti-black racism have an effect on the average black guy's life? The answer to this is: YES. White supremacist groups have infiltrated law enforcement all over America. Meanwhile, the police has the right to kill anyone they want for any reason without getting punished for it. Deadly combination, and it's why Black Lives Matter exists.

You can become President of the United States by saying that Mexicans are rapists. Sarah Jeong will NEVER be elected President with a record of her saying shit about white people.
 

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The left-wing's idea that racism requires power is not a bad one. Just think of these questions:
How convenient that their definition of racism precludes them from being racist but also doesn't exist outside of their ideology.

Power has nothing to do with racism. At all.

And even by that twisted logic, that makes Sarah Jeong even more racist as she is most certainly in a position of power over white people.
 

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How convenient that their definition of racism precludes them from being racist but also doesn't exist outside of their ideology.

Power has nothing to do with racism. At all.

And even by that twisted logic, that makes Sarah Jeong even more racist as she is most certainly in a position of power over white people.
Everything in the USA is about power and the hierarchy of human value.
 

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racism
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  1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
ctrl+f "power"

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Next.
The word power is not in many definitions that require it to exist. Anyway, it's a controversial subject. I think that the "prejudice plus power" definition is too narrow, and is prone to the single cause, single solution flaw.
 

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Everything in the USA is about power and the hierarchy of human value.
Everything about human culture is about power and hierarchy. Nearly all animals have that built into their base instincts - and for good reason, it protects the next generation’s ability to exist. It isn’t some sort of uniquely American thing.
 
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Hence why those PoC on the right call it, "escaping The Democrat's Plantation".
As a black conservative,I really hate this term. It's needlessly antagonistic
The left-wing's idea that racism requires power is not a bad one. Just think of these questions:

Does anti-white racism have an effect on your average white guy's life? The answer to this is: NO. If a New York Times tech editor shitposting on Twitter is the best example of anti-white racism, we got it real good. Very few of us will ever see this person in real life and we can safely ignore their opinions.

Does anti-black racism have an effect on the average black guy's life? The answer to this is: YES. White supremacist groups have infiltrated law enforcement all over America. Meanwhile, the police has the right to kill anyone they want for any reason without getting punished for it. Deadly combination, and it's why Black Lives Matter exists.

You can become President of the United States by saying that Mexicans are rapists. Sarah Jeong will NEVER be elected President with a record of her saying shit about white people.
What you are essentially saying is racial hatred is okay if you are weak, or just not in a dominant group.

If I went out and raped an Asian girl, because I hate Chinese people raising up the rents or whatever, is that a hate crime? I'm not white, I don't have "power". Is my hateful action more okay or less heinous.

It's such an American idea.
 

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As a black conservative,I really hate this term. It's needlessly antagonistic

What you are essentially saying is racial hatred is okay if you are weak, or just not in a dominant group.

If I went out and raped an Asian girl, because I hate Chinese people raising up the rents or whatever, is that a hate crime? I'm not white, I don't have "power". Is my hateful action more okay or less heinous.

It's such an American idea.
Agreed and I don't subscribe to it as a useful talking point, but I understand that initial frustration when one feels attacked after switching sides.

But again two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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There may be a shred of truth to this, just look at the banners they hold up (this is from today).


Relevant and it will never end as long as this is how extremes peddle and operate on either side.

I'm sure you DON'T know that white pride isn't the same as black pride.

Right?

White pride (evidenced in Charlottesville) seeks to silence anyone who isn't white and THEIR version of Christian. Black pride means you don't hate your skin color and those who look like you, you love your history in and outside of the US and you don't hate anyone non-black.

You can be pro-black and have family, friends and even spouses who are non-black.

Pro-white means everyone else non-white gotta get the frak out.
 

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How convenient that their definition of racism precludes them from being racist but also doesn't exist outside of their ideology.

Power has nothing to do with racism. At all.

And even by that twisted logic, that makes Sarah Jeong even more racist as she is most certainly in a position of power over white people.
Ok. What effect does Sarah Jeong's tweet have on your life? Does it cause you to not get hired? Possibly lynched or shot by a cop who will NEVER get prosecuted and found guilty for killing you when his life wasn't in danger?

White people in America are the vast majority of the population and are in just about every position of power. Even if YOU don't have power, you are going to be more believed than a black person would for this or that.

That's been my experience and the experiences of other black and brown people. Discounting it because YOU don't experience it is intellectually dishonest and low-key immoral.
 

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I'm sure you DON'T know that white pride isn't the same as black pride.

Right?

White pride (evidenced in Charlottesville) seeks to silence anyone who isn't white and THEIR version of Christian. Black pride means you don't hate your skin color and those who look like you, you love your history in and outside of the US and you don't hate anyone non-black.

You can be pro-black and have family, friends and even spouses who are non-black.

Pro-white means everyone else non-white gotta get the frak out.
 

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Ok. What effect does Sarah Jeong's tweet have on your life? Does it cause you to not get hired? Possibly lynched or shot by a cop who will NEVER get prosecuted and found guilty for killing you when his life wasn't in danger?

White people in America are the vast majority of the population and are in just about every position of power. Even if YOU don't have power, you are going to be more believed than a black person would for this or that.

That's been my experience and the experiences of other black and brown people. Discounting it because YOU don't experience it is intellectually dishonest and low-key immoral.
That's a ridiculously narrow minded way to determine if something is racist or not. Whether or not something personally affects you has no bearing on whether or not something is racist
 

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That's a ridiculously narrow minded way to determine if something is racist or not. Whether or not something personally affects you has no bearing on whether or not something is racist
Ok... Then ask the Jews if anti-Semitism can affect non-Jews.

Edit to add: bottom line... Me saying anything negative about white people doesn't affect a white person the way a white person calling me the N-word would affect me. Especially if they are in a position of power.

The correct term you're looking for is bigoted or prejudiced.
 
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Ok... Then ask the Jews if anti-Semitism can affect non-Jews.

Edit to add: bottom line... Me saying anything negative about white people doesn't affect a white person the way a white person calling me the N-word would affect me. Especially if they are in a position of power.

The correct term you're looking for is bigoted or prejudiced.
Of course anti-Semitism can affect non Jews.Do we really need to do a history lesson tonight?

Racism isn't just "saying" negative things. It's also doing things. Sometimes violent things. If a Hispanic person denies me a opportunity tomorrow, or harms me or hell just calls me nigger is that not hate?

You can hide behind "bigotry" or "prejudice" but everyone knows what it is. Everyone but liberals apparently who think hate should be judged on a very steep spectrum.
 

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Ok. What effect does Sarah Jeong's tweet have on your life? Does it cause you to not get hired? Possibly lynched or shot by a cop who will NEVER get prosecuted and found guilty for killing you when his life wasn't in danger?

White people in America are the vast majority of the population and are in just about every position of power. Even if YOU don't have power, you are going to be more believed than a black person would for this or that.

That's been my experience and the experiences of other black and brown people. Discounting it because YOU don't experience it is intellectually dishonest and low-key immoral.
It does affect my life when an editor at a major news corporation is openly racist against white people because it is actively reinforcing the idea that "the white man" is a subclass of human and not deserving of basic human respect.

I'll let you hazard a guess on how started racism in the first place hundreds of years ago.

Oh, and stop using a 0.00000002% chance of something happening as your proof positive that you need to live in fear.
 
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