Is mainstream news becoming unreliable?

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You shouldn't bother taking the bait from people who suggest there is no dishonesty in the MSM reporting except for Fox News. Even if they bother reading any information you provide, they will either deny it or muck up the water with allegations of someone else being dishonest. Anyway, I stopped reading after a few examples. Did they bother including Jim Aocsta questioning why Republicans cannot pass things in the Senate when they have the majority? That right there is example numero uno. A chief White House correspondent pretending that the filibuster is not a real thing by asking a question he would know the answer to if he took political science 101.
 
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One of the problems I see is that a lot of people don't differentiate between news (factual information), analysis (some type of interpretation of what those facts might mean or how they may apply), and op-ed (pure opinion). Since all them are aired on the same channels, often by the same presenter in the same program, they are easily conflated.
 

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Can you give us examples of dishonesty and bias in media reporting? Aside from Fox News, of course, since that's obvious.
Well, each paper is politically biased, for instance, look into NY Times, the Guardian, other authoritative sources. From the articles they publish it's really obvious if they support Trump or not, against Brexit or not. That's bias.
The Reuters is more or less unbiased, but that's now debatable too.
 
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Most media have little to no credibility on their own, but it is an individual responsibility to explore the context of their headlines and the basic facts of each case they promote.
This.. also unreliable compare to what? Its not like there is an actual alternative in times of gotta be first, gotta be fast.
You have some random news outlets jumping on one report and then retweeting/reporting about this report, other news outlets see it (news outlet a,b,c reported on this i bet at least one has verified we have to report on it too quick!) and the more news outlets that do that the more genuine the report appears and even more news outlets jump on it, this happens fast because no one wants to miss out so in the end it is either correct or it blows up in everyone's face with corrections issued 2 days later.
The last few days have been dumb but also not that out of the ordinary, with that being said i dont think that the majority of news reports are fake or mistakes and yeah duh every paper has a bias which is ok since most people know the bias of a msnbc vs fox news vs cnn vs nytimes so they know what "direction" it comes from.
I am more pissed that the yellow vests are still going on in france but there is not much reporting on it in hopes of not giving people any ideas and the grassroots drying out.
 
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Why are most news outlet left leaning? I really want to know since most new outlet try to ignore the yellow jacket mess in France beside Fox news
Because journalism is a leftist occupation. Leftists tend to seek jobs were the primary tool of trade is the tongue, such as journalists, activists, politicians, teachers, etc. You need to understand that leftists hate society, they all want to change it, thats why they look for jobs that will put them in a position to do that.
 
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Because journalism is a leftist occupation. Leftists tend to seek jobs were the primary tool of trade is the tongue, such as journalists, activists, politicians, teachers, etc. You need to understand that leftists hate society, they all want to change it, thats why they look for jobs that will put them in a position to do that.
I don't know if that's restricted to the left. Where do evangelical Christians fit in your take?
 
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I don't know if that's restricted to the left. Where do evangelical Christians fit in your take?
The Christian ideology is inherently anti-left, therefore if they are leftists, they chose the wrong occupation. More so, Leftists want power, influence and money and you can’t really gain all that from being an evangelical
 
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Because journalism is a leftist occupation. Leftists tend to seek jobs were the primary tool of trade is the tongue, such as journalists, activists, politicians, teachers, etc. You need to understand that leftists hate society, they all want to change it, thats why they look for jobs that will put them in a position to do that.
That's not the case in the UK, in terms of the printed media at least. In terms of TV we have Sky which I don't use for news so can't comment on, BBC News which is socially SJW, pro-EU and economically probably to the right, and the rest is fairly small and not terribly significant. In terms of the printed media we have the Guardian which is full-on SJW left, the New Statesman magazine which is to the left of them, and the Daily Mirror which has historically been very left-wing in a more socialist sense but I haven't seen it in a while to comment on its current state. The rest of the press is right-wing, with the two most popular papers being The Sun (reading-age 10 tabloid bollocks, historically Tory, HATES the Labour party) and the Daily Mail (every story is about immigrants and how the traitors n parliament are blocking Brexit). Everyone's got an agenda, but certainly in the UK it's mostly right-wing (though I will observe that economically British parties are all way to the left of American ones).
 
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That's not the case in the UK, in terms of the printed media at least. In terms of TV we have Sky which I don't use for news so can't comment on, BBC News which is socially SJW, pro-EU and economically probably to the right, and the rest is fairly small and not terribly significant. In terms of the printed media we have the Guardian which is full-on SJW left, the New Statesman magazine which is to the left of them, and the Daily Mirror which has historically been very left-wing in a more socialist sense but I haven't seen it in a while to comment on its current state. The rest of the press is right-wing, with the two most popular papers being The Sun (reading-age 10 tabloid bollocks, historically Tory, HATES the Labour party) and the Daily Mail (every story is about immigrants and how the traitors n parliament are blocking Brexit). Everyone's got an agenda, but certainly in the UK it's mostly right-wing (though I will observe that economically British parties are all way to the left of American ones).
Really? I’ve been working in U.K. for almost two years and from what I can tell, the only right wing outlet is Daily Mail and the Telegraph. General consensus here is that BBC, ITV, Channel 4 are all left wing. I’m surprised you said that they’re economically to the right. Sky News too is left wing. I’d argue in U.K. the only right wing party is UKIP, both Tory and Labour are left wing, Labour is just more left. Maybe we have different definitions of what is left and right.
 
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Really? I’ve been working in U.K. for almost two years and from what I can tell, the only right wing outlet is Daily Mail and the Telegraph. General consensus here is that BBC, ITV, Channel 4 are all left wing. I’m surprised you said that they’re economically to the right. Sky News too is left wing. I’d argue in U.K. the only right wing party is UKIP, both Tory and Labour are left wing, Labour is just more left. Maybe we have different definitions of what is left and right.
The Tories may well have gone a bit socially to the left thanks to Cameron (gay marriage, etc) but they're, by traditional UK standards, right-wing in every other respect, such as trying to shrink government through ideologically-driven austerity, slowly privatising the NHS by stealth, etc. I'd say that most people in the UK would consider the Tories to be right-wing, so if you consider them to be to the left it may be that you're to the right of Jacob Rees-Mogg, in which case in the UK that would make you something of an outlier.

BBC have tended to support Tory ideas economically and for instance they have a number of former Tories in their ranks on the political reporting side. I'm curious how you don't consider the Sun to be a right-wing paper by the way. Also The Times is pretty right-wing, indeed I had a subscription for a while and it was pretty pro-Trump for instance, so I think we can safely refer to them as right wing.
 
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The Tories may well have gone a bit socially to the left thanks to Cameron (gay marriage, etc) but they're, by traditional UK standards, right-wing in every other respect, such as trying to shrink government through ideologically-driven austerity, slowly privatising the NHS by stealth, etc. I'd say that most people in the UK would consider the Tories to be right-wing, so if you consider them to be to the left it may be that you're to the right of Jacob Rees-Mogg, in which case in the UK that would make you something of an outlier.

BBC have tended to support Tory ideas economically and for instance they have a number of former Tories in their ranks on the political reporting side. I'm curious how you don't consider the Sun to be a right-wing paper by the way. Also The Times is pretty right-wing, indeed I had a subscription for a while and it was pretty pro-Trump for instance, so I think we can safely refer to them as right wing.
You even left out the express and the times. One thing UK voters should be concerned about is that the only time a candidate won the prime ministers office without the support of Rupert Murdoch’s after his media takeover was Tony Blair’s last re-election. There is not enough data to be scared by it, but if that pattern continues it is a red flag.

@danielberg if you have a look around poligaf there are plenty of examples that users rarely read more than the headline (the project veritas anti-abortion thread is just one), the number of people that are looking for cheap shots at their political opponents far outnumber the people that want honest political debate.
 
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You even left out the express and the times. One thing UK voters should be concerned about is that the only time a candidate won the prime ministers office without the support of Rupert Murdoch’s after his media takeover was Tony Blair’s last re-election. There is not enough data to be scared by , but if that pattern continues it is a red flag.

@danielberg if you have a look around poligaf there are plenty of examples that users rarely read more than the headline (the project veritas anti-abortion thread is just one), the number of people that are looking for cheap shots at their political opponents far outnumber the people that want honest political debate.
Consider the poisonous and co-ordinated campaign against Labour at the last election comparing Corbyn to terrorists, followed by the hilarity of the Tories getting into bed with the DUP (actual friends of terrorists).
 
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Pretty much came to post this. Mainstream news networks have rarely been relieable sources, constantly flipping stories to lean in one side of the political spectrum or the other. In some points changing the stories, changing victims and making up meanings. Online news networks are even worse.
 
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True, just figured it'd be something fun to bring up. For those who don't know, think of the DUP as the opposition to Sinn Fein (the political wing of the IRA).
I have some understanding of UK politics, but most users on poligaf won’t understand your reference or will be sympathetic to DUP based on their stance on abortion.
I think we agree on a lot of things based on your thread about being a moderate, but Americans on here seems to have little to no understanding of politics outside USA in general and Europe specifically. I could be wrong, but there is some evidence to support this.
 
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I have some understanding of UK politics, but most users on poligaf won’t understand your reference or will be sympathetic to DUP based on their stance on abortion.
I think we agree on a lot of things based on your thread about being a moderate, but Americans on here seems to have little to no understanding of politics outside USA in general and Europe specifically. I could be wrong, but there is some evidence to support this.
True - however we were discussing UK press at the time so mentioning things like the DUP etc made some sense in that context.
 
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True - however we were discussing UK press at the time so mentioning things like the DUP etc made some sense in that context.
My point was that that you could add a bit more context for outsiders, and adding the express and the times to your list of right of center media was meant to bolster your evidence. Cheers.
 

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CNN describing the Black Hebrew Israelites as a group of black men preaching the bible and against oppression. Thats all you need to know if the MSM is unreliable.

But y'all just waking up now, Israel has been dealing with fake news for decades now, so you guys are LTTP on this one.



This photo was 100% a lie, the kid was a Jewish kid being beaten by Palestinians and the Israeli was saving this kid. But the MSM had no problem printing lies and framing the issue that this was a Jewish policeman beating a Palestinian.

But when the media has a narrative they have no problem out right lying.
 
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During the Russian revolution, our journalists abroad knew about the atrocities being committed by the Bolsheviks. They intentionally did not report on it, because they thought it would stifle the international socialist movement.

That was 100 years ago.