Is Russia a good example of post-feminist country?

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Now I dont support Russia or its politics, but from my experience over the years Russian women are really confident beings, who usually have a strong passion for life. I guess its because they know the harsh past of the Soviet union, they are not taking their modern life for granted. In this sense they are usually very picky when it comes to men, the competition is quite fierce. I still have yet to meet a Russian woman who does not see marriage and giving birth as prime goals in life. So just something to be aware of if some of you are still looking for a life partner.
 
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Russia is a good example of a non identity politics country.
Russia is also virulently homophobic, while its leader rigs elections (certainly at home, possibly abroad) and has his political critics assassinated. There are many good Russians, but you really, really don't want to hold up Russia as a paragon of virtue.
 
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Imperial Russia / USSR / Eastern Block

Women
USSR had female ministers nearly a century ago.
Imperial Russia had a political party with an official terrorist branch. a number of them women. (women would get away with just a slap on the wrist even for attempted murder, perhaps that's why)

One of those women later on shoot Lenin (only in Russian, use translator if needed, sorry for that).

Then there was Women's Batalion of Death
Then there were millions of women directly involved in combat during WWII on Soviet side.

US "Date rape"as in, for instance, Tyson's case (went to a hotel room at night, no sign of objection, not even a word) would not fly in Russia.

Transition to industrial era happend under commie regime, there were no groups lobbying women's rights that would become obsolete, unless they'd find/invent (choose your poison) more nuanced ways in which women are oppressed ("look who's on the top", "pay gap"), to remain relevant, so for many in Russia and in European post-soviet space word "feminism" has meaning that is close to "men hating"..

Number of divorces (which are normally overwhelmingly initiated by women) is sometimes used as a sign of emancipation. By that metric, women in Eastern Germany were far ahead Western counterparts.

Homosexualism
Was considered a sin, but not related to harshly initially. Was criminalized under Peter the Great (to my knowledge he copied that from Germans, when building European style army), but only for soldiers. (1706) In 1836 Tsar and the Church criminalized male homosexualism. These laws were dropped after the Revolution, mostly as a side effect of abolishing all laws of Tsar's regime (1917).
In 1933 under Mr Stalin male homosexuals were announced to be enemies of revolution undermining soviet state and likely spies as well. Curiously these laws were actively put in use only after Stalin's death.
Lesbians were never persecuted, except in Finland (which used to be part of RE)


Nationalsim
Russians and many other nations within USSR felt themselves "soviets"

Post-Soviet Russia

Women
Women, already quite active, embraced Transition to capitalism.
8th of March is still a major event, men still have de facto men's day on 23rd of Feb (defender's day)
When Levinski-Clinton scandal broke out, Russian's were puzzled what the problem was. Russian president would become more popular, had that happened with him.

Homosexualism
Soviet laws criminaliznig male on male homosexual act had been abolished in 1993.
With Orthodox church becoming a pillar in Putin's rule, homophobia is cemented on the highest level (e.g gay pride parades are illegal)
It's notable that male on male homosexual act (but not among females) was a crime in USSR

Nationalism
At the same time, post Soviet Russia has become increasingly hostile to foreigners/minorities. (with women rather leading the chauvinist/nationalist ranks, based on my personal experience, so take this accordingly).
 
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Russian women are so good, in fact, that Russian men commit suicide at a rate many times higher than the world average with one of if not the the highest disparity between male:female suicides (y)
 
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I mean, in this part of the world a woman is expected to dress up all the time, look good, have kids, cook and clean and if you want to slap her around for whatever reason a blind eye is usually turned.

Not sure how thats feminism but okay whatever.

Slavic girls do make amazing mothers though, my wife is 40 weeks pregnant due last week and still made me and the kids breakfast, lunch and dinner today.
 
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~80% of ethnic Russian men and women are secular Traditionalists by choice. While religion plays a part in society, it is practiced largely via cultural customs or by state function, not formally. For example Russian priests can marry, drink, have families, integrate themselves fully into communities, etc. The church is not something separate or special. On a religious holiday you get your family and friends together and have a few drinks or a feast. A local priest might show up to bless your meal. You don't sit in some church. You go to church during weddings and funerals. Only little old babushkas might go to church regularly.

Women are free to pursue whatever career they want. Most pursue that which women tend to pursue. Likewise for men. Keep in mind that 40+ million Russians are neither ethnic Russian nor necessarily secular. 25 million Russian citizens are moderate to strict Muslims. Women in those republics (Tatarstan, Chechnya) are expected to play more formal roles, marry into the religion, etc. But they aren't as controlled as women in Arabic countries. Not even close. Outside of perhaps Chechnya, Russian Tatars are similar in religiosity to Bosniaks. They drink, eat pork, etc. Most would be deemed apostates in the middle east.

Millions of Siberian Russians follow Asiatic folk traditions. They have lifestyles and cuisines more similar to Mongolians. There women are less free than Muslim Russian women. After the Soviet union collapsed, they went back to their traditions.

There is a small neoliberal minority (primarily in Moscow) of men and women that espouse the same nonsense as western feminists and SJW's. They are largely ignored, or rounded up and arrested when they make a scene by blocking traffic or holding rallies without permits (even in Australia and the US you need rally permits). The western media gives these miscreants disproportionate airtime and defend them even when they commit crimes or break the law.

In Russia, manhood and womanhood are still distinct things. Girls and boys are expected to act differently. A feminine man or boy will be ridiculed, a masculine woman or girl will be ridiculed. Not by the state, nor by authority figures, but by most Russians.

Beyond this, Russia for the most part is not a totalitarian place. A Russian is free to leave Russia at any time and travel abroad. There is no internet filter. The dissident and public decency laws are more tame than those found in Britain or Canada, where tweets can can you arrested. A highly autonomous place like Chechnya is different, as are isolated parts of Siberia. Like a US state, these autonomous republics are free to pass their own internal laws-barring a few areas. For example only the Federal government can decide judicial punishments, so death penalty has been abolished in every republic, while in the US some states still have the death penalty and others don't.

In terms of arms ownership, the rules are based around self defense. You can use guns and rifles to defend your life, house, land and belongings. You need to be over 18 and not have a criminal record to obtain guns, unless you're siberian or outside of metropolitan areas, in many oblasts and republics anyone rural can own and use rifles to defend themselves from bears and such, kids included.
 
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It's pretty exhausting when the OP watches fringe video after fringe video on youtube and keeps creating bizarre theads out of it. Like, not everything you watch on youtube needs to turn into a GAF politics thread.

As far as feminism in Russia goes, I don't know much about it beyond a cursory wiki page reading. Seems like things were shit for women pre-80s, good during the 80s, then shit in the 90s. Maybe they're better now again, who knows. The most obvious way to figure this stuff out would be to compare incomes by gender for both countries throughout the years as well as employment rates. Along with things like domestic abuse stats, harassment, etc. But there are likely tons of factors to sift through, and I'm not particularly interested in the topic. Also there's the whole Pussy Riot episode in which some women sang a somewhat offensive song in a church were arrested, held without bail despite having kids, declared "political prisoners," and were sentenced to work two years in a penal colony. I mean, maybe the same would've happened if they were men. But this is just to say Russia is sometimes an incredibly fucked up place to live.
 
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Pussy Riot are feminists and they are from Russia

honestly i think the bigger issue at this point is that men infiltrated feminism. THAT is what killed feminism. if you read radical feminists from the 70s it is all about solidarity with women's historical struggle, fighting back against traditional gender roles such as housemaking and child rearing. radical socialist feminist theory pointed to the unpaid labor of giving birth, the literal labor of producing the future of the human race, the exploitation of that labor through the domestic and social sphere.

all of that is erased now that "anyone can be a woman". now that men can call themselves women, those fundamentals no longer apply, or are even called into question in the first place. saying "what about giving birth, that is the realm of a woman" is denying that gay men can adopt or have a surrogate or something (in that situation the surrogate mother is yet again relegated to a prop to further the agency of others). saying that a man can't have a baby is denying that a man calling himself a woman can impregnate a biological woman with his "female penis" thereby producing an offspring "as a woman". inclusive politics have more or less destroyed & made feminism entirely meaningless.

i do think eventually there will be a return to old school feminism without the absurd "TERF" slur thrown at it. you cannot erase thousands of years of history with a couple years of social shaming.
 
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So you're saying communism advanced women's rights? I always knew you were a godamn marxist.
Actually, in the 60s and 70s in Germany, women's rights in the GDR were more "advanced" when compared to Western Germany. Women were free to work (without needing permission from her husband) and they were allowed to abort a pregnany (which was also not legally possible in Western Germany at that time) and some other things with regards to getting preferential treatment from the government when you are a single mother. However, one can argue that there were ulterior motives to that. The GDR desperately wanted to "win" economically and psychologically and militarily over Western Germany, so including women into society as a "full and equal member" was seen as one way to reach those goals.
 
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~80% of ethnic Russian men and women are secular Traditionalists by choice. While religion plays a part in society, it is practiced largely via cultural customs or by state function, not formally. For example Russian priests can marry, drink, have families, integrate themselves fully into communities, etc. The church is not something separate or special. On a religious holiday you get your family and friends together and have a few drinks or a feast. A local priest might show up to bless your meal. You don't sit in some church. You go to church during weddings and funerals. Only little old babushkas might go to church regularly.
Priests can marry only before they become official priests, not after. Also high ranked bishops are not allowed to marry
 
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It's pretty exhausting when the OP watches fringe video after fringe video on youtube and keeps creating bizarre theads out of it. Like, not everything you watch on youtube needs to turn into a GAF politics thread.
This. A thousand times this. I note he’s had a few threads locked recently and people are pushing back at last, presumably it’s becoming something that the mods are noticing.

I’d like to invite the OP to move to Russia, I’m sure he’d be very welcome there.
 
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This. A thousand times this. I note he’s had a few threads locked recently and people are pushing back at last, presumably it’s becoming something that the mods are noticing.

I’d like to invite the OP to move to Russia, I’m sure he’d be very welcome there.
Are you the leader of my fanclub? I see you stalking me in every thread for a while now. Its kinda amusing to see you try to do some sort of a smear campaign against me by quoting everyone who disagrees with me with "I ttoally agree with you, antoon is this and that, he did this and that, therefore he deserves this and that!". Pretty pathetic, but like I said its amusing to watch you do this, so carry on.
 
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Lol I got your back bro but just make some threads about other topics for a bit. You ever played GTA? You got the popo on your ass and you gotta lay low til the heat is off ya.
I see. It was fun while it lasted, but I am not needed here anymore. A new journey awaits me. Maybe our paths will meet one day again.
 

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I see. It was fun while it lasted, but I am not needed here anymore. A new journey awaits me. Maybe our paths will meet one day again.
@Antoon: As one of the few transgender people here, I admit that some of the trans-related threads you've created we're hurtful, as they usually seemed aimed at making us appear foolish or crazy. Still, I never reported you for anything nor ever wanted to place you on an ignore list...which I was advised of doing several times by a few concerned people. I feel doing so deprives any chance for growth and understanding...and I truly hoped the two of us could talk more in-depth possibly privately about all your concerns without fear of judgment.

Please know I don't see you as a bad person at all. I am a bit concerned however that much of how you view trans people may have largely been shaped by some of the louder and militaristic supposed trans-ally voices out there, as well as by some of the heavily outspoken anti-trans biased people who may have become heavily swayed by all the negativity on both sides at some point themselves. God knows, there sure are a lot of polarizing opinions out there surrounding trans people...both in favor of and against.

I can say I've met MANY trans women, quite a few trans men, and a couple of non-binary people. The vast majority of all of them are similar to me in their patience and kindness toward others, as well as their compassion toward people from all walks of life. The loud and obnoxious people, or seemingly insane militaristic angry folk are in the vast minority. We simply hope to live our lives peacefully without causing waves if at all possible.

It seems you may believe the transgender condition is not real...that it isn't a physical difference we are born with, but mostly comes from nurture. That may be true for a few, but most of the trans people I know all were raised to be what their parents thought them to be. I know many who have served in the military, trying their hardest to live up to the masculine standards their parents expected of them. A great many of them have dealt with varying degrees of dysphoria since they were around 4 years old. Quite a lot of them also dealt with endocrine disruption through varying means as well. We are not officially Intersex, but we were born differently.

@Antoon, I would like for you to stay. Maybe we can talk sometime soon like I mentioned. I would be so happy if you come to understand more what our lives are like from an actual transgender person, instead of from some of the YouTube videos that are out there and sometimes feeding misinformation. I know it's hard to know these days what is true or not, but I promise I only speak truthfully and from the heart, and without anger or judgment...only in the hope of shared empathy and courtesy.

God bless you my friend.
 
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I mean, in this part of the world a woman is expected to dress up all the time, look good, have kids, cook and clean and if you want to slap her around for whatever reason a blind eye is usually turned.
Sorry, but that's BS.
"Expected to dress up" is more of a "won't be mobbed if she goes all out attractive".
"Expected to have kids" is a myth (although most humans do want to have kids).
As for "slapping her around", I don't know where you got this crazy idea.
 
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antoon sucked. he was like a sub troll who didnt really get it. now me on the other hand. im your dad

also @Ailynn quit while youre ahead. youre whole argument is "i did this- i seen this- i experienced this- therefore it is so". "it is not so" - 5secondsbaby
 
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Sorry, but that's BS.
"Expected to dress up" is more of a "won't be mobbed if she goes all out attractive".
"Expected to have kids" is a myth (although most humans do want to have kids).
As for "slapping her around", I don't know where you got this crazy idea.
You know, real life. If you are about to claim to be from eastern europe or russia and say what i said is not true then i will call you a liar sir.
 
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Короче, когда человек читает "я провёл в пот-советской Москве год", его не должна осенять догадка, что человек не родился и не вырос в Москве.
Ladna

You are not Russian, visiting for a year does not mean you know the culture or the people. I'm assuming your babushka un dedushka are Russian (probably Ukrainian by your grammar if its not google translate)

But okay, you are correct. The women here are not more feminine and domestic violence isnt more accepted.
 
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domestic violence isnt more accepted.
I didn't say that.
There is a huge gap between "being more accepted than in the US" and "not being perceived as a problem".

Stats show about 36 thousand reports of DV annually, which is estimated to be reported at a rate of 30-40%.
And that in a country of 140 million, where about 10 thousand a year are murdered.

Uh, what...