Is SSB Brawl online just going to be a cheatfest once somefinds the new "snaking"?

[acidviper]

I want to believe this game is going to be fun online and I think I'm good. I would want to challenge the top players in the world, but are people just going to cheat their way to the top with some hack/exploit and Nintendo not giving a fuck a la Mario Kart DS.

Bungie does patrol a little, Blizzard brings down the hammer once in a while, but is Nintendo going to watch as their wifi system seller is hacked to bits.

 

[Kenka]

wth is this avatar ?

 

[SantaC]

snaking is not cheating. It's a technique that's been in several Mario Kart games.

 

[Akia]

yes it is and that's why you play with friends.

 

[Jive Turkey]

Play with your friends/GAF?

 

[Taker666]

snaking is not cheating. It's a technique that's been in several Mario Kart games.

Makes for a pretty dull game though ..IMO.

Hopefully Mario kart Wii will be 100% motion controlled..that way snakers will end up breaking their wrists after a few days.

 

[SantaC]

Makes for a pretty dull game though ..IMO.

not if everyone snakes

 

[regrib]

probably

 

[Starchasing]

"people just going to cheat their way to the top"

There are no leaderboards for matches with random players, so there is no top.

 

[mugwhump]

This won't end well.

*wavedashes out of thread*

 

[flipping_heck]

*wavedashes out of thread*

Oh no, you didn't!

 

[IfAllElseFailsUseFire]

snaking is not cheating, but I guess there'll be some other kind of cheating in brawl if someone takes time to develop some program to modify an illegal version of the game

 

[:Motorbass]

what do advanced techniques that require skill have to do with cheating. and lots of Nintendo games have advanced techniques (SSB, F-Zero).

There will be a lot of whining...

 

[Bowen_B]

Wah wah wah, snaking is cheating!! Nintendo officially giving snaking the ok and staff ghosts using snaking don't mean anything!

 

[Burli]

I wouldn't consider snaking cheating, but then I don't really know how it's used online, but for the most part, I don't know anyone who finds the process difficult.

As for Smash Bros, I happen to enjoy the game playing it the way it was "meant to be" played. I have nothing against these "elite" players, who do all their final destination stuff, but it's not for me. So, Smash Bros. to me is best enjoyed with friends in the room.

But yeah, to answer your question, I think the online play may well degrade into certain people using certain characters to extort certain moves, I fail to see how they can avoid this.

Meh

 

[NotWii]

Snaking is cheating.

 

[Visualante]

No stats, no incentive to cheat. No incentive to remain in an unfair match.

Plus Nintendo could market it as a family game and swamp the hardcore into just playing each other as friends.

 

[Burli]

Snaking is cheating.

I should probably know this, but how exactly is snaking used online that brings it this much grief? All I've gained from snaking is a boost round corners, but I've never experienced online.

 

[CTLance]

Snaking is cheating.

Nope it's not, it's just a very different way to play the game. Personally, I loathe it and I hate it when somebody just has to snake even if all others don't. It's like playing Smashbros Melee, some play it for the fun, others play it for the competition. It's a valid way of playing the game, I just wish there was a way to bypass it for casuals/people like you and me.

 

[Open Source]

No stats, no incentive to cheat.

Ha.

And snaking is exploiting poor game design, not cheating.

 

[CTLance]

I should probably know this, but how exactly is snaking used online that brings it this much grief? All I've gained from snaking is a boost round corners, but I've never experienced online.

Snaking isn't sliding around corners and using that boost.
Snaking is driving a Zigzag line even on straight parts of the course and perpetually using the boost that comes from it. If done correctly the player will attain an insane speed, and competitively played this seems to be quite fun or so I've heard (do not want.gif).

 

[Burli]

Eh, that does sound shite.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Snaking is cheating.

It's not cheating. It's just a massively broken game mechanic that obsoletes every other part of the game.

If anyone wants to argue that, consider the following first:
Which characters snake best and easiest?
Which characters recover from items fastest?
Which characters /should/ have the highest top speed (without snaking) and which characters /actually do/ (with snaking)?

Why should anyone use any tactic other than snaking given the above?
If only one tactic is even viable, how fun is it to do the same thing continuosly on every single track?


meh.

 

[:Motorbass]

I should probably know this, but how exactly is snaking used online that brings it this much grief? All I've gained from snaking is a boost round corners, but I've never experienced online.

You just use the miniturbo all the time. That way you won't slow down. It's just pure skill and in no way cheating. Snaking is more effective than in other Mario Karts tho...

Here's a random example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O01RgfMDess

If you can't keep up with that (I can't, that's for sure), you just suck at the game; live with it but don't discredit people who can do stuff like this (not talking to you directly, Burli). Mario Kart is (and always was) more than the shallow funracer surface.

 

[Dina]

Snaking is lame. If you're that much of a douche that you need to use it, I'm not playing against you.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

so let me guess Snaking is cheating....but the rubberbanding when it comes to items and speed is not?:lol


someone answer this. How can you complain about snaking and not complain about the absolutely broken rubberbanding that goes on.

 

[VOOK]

Of course it is, and because of the limitations and unwillingness of Nintendo it will go unpatched or re-balanced and ruin the game forever.

 

[Rezbit]

Didn't take long to get into the "Is snaking cheating?" debate :lol

 

[The Faceless Master]

No stats, no incentive to cheat.

your first mistake.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

in sports gaming, when someone exploits a weakpoint in a game, and in my case nba 2k, they're called cheesers. now, their not necessarily called cheaters, but they're frowned upon. And im sure nba 2k gaf league has a very tight policy on the matter.

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

Wtf this "snaking" you speak of is built into the fucking game mechanic.

He's gaining a boost by powersliding on the straights. Fucking whiners.

 

[Mistouze]

Is SSB Brawl online just going to be a cheatfest once somefinds the new "snaking"?

cheatfest, "snaking"

cheatfest

"snaking"

:lol

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Wtf this "snaking" you speak of is built into the fucking game mechanic.

The standard response of anyone who (ab)uses game breaking exploits.

If MKS was on a platform with some form of storage, that shit would have been patched within a month of it becoming common knowledge.

It is so blatantly against the obvious design of the game (which has always been that the 'bigger' characters like DK or Boweser have slow acceleration but higher top speed, and the lighter characters have good acceleration but low top speeds) that I can't see how anyone can honestly defend it as anything but an exploit.

It's not even hard to do :/

 

[Plinko]

This thread is playing out exactly as I thought it would:

Those who snake: "Snaking isn't cheating! Poor game design! Nintendo shouldn't have put it in if they didn't want us to use it!"

Those who don't snake: "Snaking is cheating! It's a glitch! You're ruining online!"


Nobody wins. What it comes down to is this--Nintendo was dumb enough (and is fully to blame) for putting something in their game that, when used, makes the game unplayable for the majority of its players.

The question is, though, is whether or not Nintendo purposely put it in the game. Do the computer players use snaking when you play the 1-player mode? I've never seen it once. Even Nintendo's own response to the snaking fiasco seemed like, "Oh, what? You can do that? Oh, yeah...um, we meant for that to be in there."

 

[MrDaravon]

It's not cheating. It's just a massively broken game mechanic that obsoletes every other part of the game.

QFT. It's not cheating, but just because it's in the game doesn't mean that it's not exploitable, nor that it was intended for this use by the developers. If I play Mario Kart, I want to play for fun, not have to snake the entire goddamn match, basically changing the way you have to play the game, to have any kind of chance of winning.

 

[mugwhump]

Oh no, you didn't!

*wavedashes back into thread*
Really, melee didn't have anything like snaking, so as long as brawl is as balanced as its predecessor, everything's cool.
*wavedashes back out*

 

[HomShaBom]

There will probably be some game breaking technique. And seeing how Nintendo is treating DS WFC, they won't do a damn thing about it, they don't even try to protect against actual hacking.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

so let me guess Snaking is cheating....but the rubberbanding when it comes to items and speed is not?:lol


someone answer this. How can you complain about snaking and not complain about the absolutely broken rubberbanding that goes on.

well?

 

[Pikelet]

The game was broken online anyway. rubber band sucks in single player, who the fuck thought it would be good in a competitive online environment?

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

well?

Because the only way to exploit rubberbanding is to be deliberately losing.

 

[DemDereNads]

Welcome to just about every online game

Super cheap techniques aren't new to online games... just have to play with friends, or deal with it.

 

[Knox]

If you're complaining about snaking in Mario Kart prepare to have your ass ripped out in Smash.

(ripping out ass is a cheat)

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Because the only way to exploit rubberbanding is to be deliberately losing.

yes but it definately gives an unfair advatage to those who dont deserve it. Atleast Snaking takes some skill to do.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

If you're complaining about snaking in Mario Kart prepare to have your ass ripped out in Smash.

If SSB:B has a character that:
1) has a very quick but very low damaging attack
2) can keep the speed of the attack but massively increase its damage to be stronger than any other attack in the game by waggling the joystick left and right as fast as you can as soon as your hit connects
3) has no counter to that attack, other than for you to pick the same character and do the same attack to them before they do it to you
4) makes playing any other character or using any strategy other than the above pointless because you will never ever win in any other way

Then your point may stand

Spoiler

and SSB:B will be absolutely fucking horrible to play

.

If that's not the case then you don't really know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[Pikelet]

Because the only way to exploit rubberbanding is to be deliberately losing.

tell me about it, i once versed some guy who had an obscenely good win ratio and every item box it was a race to get the box second. Its pretty funny but so incredibly stupid to have to pretend your gonna move forward and then reverse at the last second to get your opponent to pick up a banana vs your blue shell.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

yes but it definately gives an unfair advatage to those who dont deserve it. Atleast Snaking takes some skill to do.

Snaking takes very little skill to do once you've been told how to do it.

It also has absolutely no counter other than doing it yourself. If a player in last place is getting better items than you, except for lightning, then you can counter anything they can throw at you with either skillful driving, or skillful item use.

If a player in last place is getting a speed boost to catch up to you, again, skillful driving and slipstreaming can get you the lead back again.

Also both of these situations have some form of risk / reward penalty - to get advantage of rubberbanding you are losing the game. That's pretty fucking risky for any potential reward pay off.

There ain't shit you can do against snaking except use it yourself, and there is absolutely no risk in doing so, outside of you being so bad at the game you cant turn corners. but then if snaking wasnt present you wouldnt be winning anyway.

 

[SantaC]

the item fest in Mario Kart GC was ridicilous. There was no point leading.

 

[Diablohead]

When it comes to fighting games online most of the time people pick the ones that need less juggles and have quick or powerfull-but-simple moves because half the time the split second lag can effect a perfect combo making online play fairly different.

 

[WastingPenguins]

What the hell? This hasn't devolved into a wavedashing bitch-fest yet?

Anyway, if you think that using Smash Bros. advanced techniques is in any way comparable to mindless, repetitive snaking, then you have much to learn about Smash Bros.

Spoiler

Smash advanced techs are hard. Not just to perform, but to incorporate into your game--that's hard to learn. If someone is good enough to use them in a way that gives them an advantage over you... they'd most likely beat you anyway, sorry.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

in sports gaming, when someone exploits a weakpoint in a game, and in my case nba 2k, they're called cheesers. now, their not necessarily called cheaters, but they're frowned upon. And im sure nba 2k gaf league has a very tight policy on the matter.

Yes. All this stupid rabble over whether or not it's cheating misses the point. It's lame, period. It's kind of pathetic that so many Nintendo games have holes in them allowing so many losers to cheese their way to shallow victories (Mario Kart DS, Pokemon, Smash Bros all scream hello). I have zero hopes about Nintendo's ability to protect the game on this. They really do seem to rush things out the door in this regard, oblivious to the fact that so much of a game's play can be utterly dismantled by those dedicated to finding it out.