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If you're an Xbox fan then PS5 surely has the best 3rd party lineup ever.
All your precious Microsoft games are now there.
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Is the main war going forward PlayStation vs Steam? If so, will Sony still do PC ports?
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If you're an Xbox fan then PS5 surely has the best 3rd party lineup ever.
All your precious Microsoft games are now there.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Yeah just like they advertised Xbox Series X for 8K.
MisterXDTV
Member
Two things could happen
- They stop making PC ports
- The time span after PS release increases even more
In the end it's irrelevant to their business
- They stop making PC ports
- The time span after PS release increases even more
In the end it's irrelevant to their business
daclynk
Member
WAR is no more. If anything Nintendo SURVIVED.
And they are a great place without losing GAMES, CLOSING STUDIOS, LOSING MONEY due to Concealing GAMES and more importantly Selling Consoles.
Everyone else predicted that they will go third part YEARS ago. Look at them now
Now its Nintendo and everyone else.
And they are a great place without losing GAMES, CLOSING STUDIOS, LOSING MONEY due to Concealing GAMES and more importantly Selling Consoles.
Everyone else predicted that they will go third part YEARS ago. Look at them now
Now its Nintendo and everyone else.
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Mister Wolf
Member
Do you honestly believe either of those things will happen?
No i wont buy a ps6 as long as they release games on steam. I will just upgrade the computer to surpass ps6, which will be easy
daclynk
Member
I can behind this
Sooner
Member
Ar¢tos
Member
By that ridiculous and incredibly stupid logic, every single game that doesn't get a Xbox release is a Sony first party game, even if it releases on PC at the same time.
Publishing rights =/ first party
Otherwise we would have Sunset Overdrive on Playstation (and Sony owns the IP).
Astray
Member
A Valve that turns to subsidizing consoles at mass market quantities and big marketing + distribution is not a Valve you want.
1st thing to happen in that case is paid online enters the chat for Valve.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
100% Sony will keep making PC ports, why would they stop wanting to make more money?
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
One is a platform everyone has at home that's used for everything including allowing you to play games vs a dedicated console that only serves the purpose of playing videogames.
That said...PS's MAU was at 123M the last time we checked right? Steam was at 132M? That's impressive as fuck for Sony i'd say.
That said...PS's MAU was at 123M the last time we checked right? Steam was at 132M? That's impressive as fuck for Sony i'd say.
clappedcheeks
Member
What I meant, but wasn't really clear on it, was that windows will be the only way to play. Not everyone wants to game on windows and most of us are happy with a closed ecosystem.
It's not about how much they are making on Steam, it's more about what are they losing making those games on Steam
Killer8
Member
It will be Sony vs Nintendo vs whoever is the victor of the PC accessibility wars.
What are the PC accessibility wars? Both Microsoft and Valve have aspirations of making PC more frictionless and console-like for normies to get into. Valve is doing it because they have a gigantic ecosystem where they get a 30% cut of every game sale. Microsoft are doing it because their console business imploded and they now see PC as the land of milk and Game Pass.
Generally speaking there is a lot of money and interest in PC gaming. Game sales and Steam CCU numbers keep going up on PC. Every gen Z and Alpha wants to build a rig because all their favourite streamers are gaming on it ("specs in the bio"). The zoomers don't have the brand loyalty that millennials and gen X had, or decades of digital purchases built up on consoles which they're guilt tripped into maintaining in perpetuity.
In the long run, all of this is bad news for Sony. Today they maintain their billions in profit not with the tiny handful of tentpole game releases they bother to shit out every year. They make their money the same way Valve does - via a 30% cut on every transaction which happens within their ecosystem. So they need people in their ecosystem spending as much money as possible on everything, not just their own games. Like Xbox, they cannot survive as a big player via just their own SIE releases.
Now, it's not so much that Sony will start losing people from their ecosystem to PC (they will lose people, but due to aging out the hobby). It's the people born every minute who in the following generations Sony are going to have to fight tooth and nail to convince that PlayStation is the right choice over a more open, more powerful and increasingly accessible PC platform.
Does that mean Sony will stop porting games to PC? Not for a while. They like the free money too much and Hermen Hulk earnestly believes that they can entice PC gamers over to PlayStation by dangling a carrot in front of them and saying "see this? You can get a sequel to this on PS5". That won't work if they keep porting the stuff! People just learn to play a little waiting game.
I think as PC gains more and more momentum and PlayStation gradually loses steam in successive generations (they're struggling to reach PS4 numbers right now), they'll re-evaluate their PC port stance and take a more protectionist, Nintendo-like approach. In the here and now it's free money from releasing on a 'separate' ecosystem, but there will come a tipping point when that ecosystem becomes a more direct threat to theirs. Of course the strategy will change then.
Andrew House correctly warned about the threat of PC to their business almost a decade ago:
What are the PC accessibility wars? Both Microsoft and Valve have aspirations of making PC more frictionless and console-like for normies to get into. Valve is doing it because they have a gigantic ecosystem where they get a 30% cut of every game sale. Microsoft are doing it because their console business imploded and they now see PC as the land of milk and Game Pass.
Generally speaking there is a lot of money and interest in PC gaming. Game sales and Steam CCU numbers keep going up on PC. Every gen Z and Alpha wants to build a rig because all their favourite streamers are gaming on it ("specs in the bio"). The zoomers don't have the brand loyalty that millennials and gen X had, or decades of digital purchases built up on consoles which they're guilt tripped into maintaining in perpetuity.
In the long run, all of this is bad news for Sony. Today they maintain their billions in profit not with the tiny handful of tentpole game releases they bother to shit out every year. They make their money the same way Valve does - via a 30% cut on every transaction which happens within their ecosystem. So they need people in their ecosystem spending as much money as possible on everything, not just their own games. Like Xbox, they cannot survive as a big player via just their own SIE releases.
Now, it's not so much that Sony will start losing people from their ecosystem to PC (they will lose people, but due to aging out the hobby). It's the people born every minute who in the following generations Sony are going to have to fight tooth and nail to convince that PlayStation is the right choice over a more open, more powerful and increasingly accessible PC platform.
Does that mean Sony will stop porting games to PC? Not for a while. They like the free money too much and Hermen Hulk earnestly believes that they can entice PC gamers over to PlayStation by dangling a carrot in front of them and saying "see this? You can get a sequel to this on PS5". That won't work if they keep porting the stuff! People just learn to play a little waiting game.
I think as PC gains more and more momentum and PlayStation gradually loses steam in successive generations (they're struggling to reach PS4 numbers right now), they'll re-evaluate their PC port stance and take a more protectionist, Nintendo-like approach. In the here and now it's free money from releasing on a 'separate' ecosystem, but there will come a tipping point when that ecosystem becomes a more direct threat to theirs. Of course the strategy will change then.
Andrew House correctly warned about the threat of PC to their business almost a decade ago:
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Mownoc
Member
There is no war.
Sony have the home console market on lock.
Nintendo have the massive audience for their first party titles.
Steam has PC covered.
Not everyone wants a PC. There's a reason sports stars like footballers are all console gamers when they could afford to buy an RTX 5090 rig every day.
PS Vs Xbox was the one area where they both offered a remarkably similar product.
Nintendo Vs PS Vs PC have much bigger differences than PS Vs Xbox.
Sony have the home console market on lock.
Nintendo have the massive audience for their first party titles.
Steam has PC covered.
Not everyone wants a PC. There's a reason sports stars like footballers are all console gamers when they could afford to buy an RTX 5090 rig every day.
PS Vs Xbox was the one area where they both offered a remarkably similar product.
Nintendo Vs PS Vs PC have much bigger differences than PS Vs Xbox.
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winjer
Gold Member
They are not losing money with Steam. They are making quite a good amount of it.
Fess
Member
Valve could be smart a launch any type of hardware and release Half Life 3 as an exclusive.
They used the IP to boost Steam, and SteamVR, could do it for SteamBox too. And it would likely work.
But they don't count to 3 so
PlayStaytion
Member
Competing with Sony is irrelevant without the convenience of a console. The experience has to be smooth and seamless.
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Physiognomonics
Member
Again, it's not that simple. Their whole GAAS strategy was pushed BECAUSE of them wanting that PC market. This is why they spoiled the whole generation and why we didn't get any Factions 2, Bluepoint game and lack of investment into more Single player games because their effort was on PC porting / GAAS studios. Also them focusing on a more diverse and broad audience (more players, more money, right?) gave us disappointing games like GoW Ragnarok.
You need to look at the whole picture. Without them focusing on PC, we would have plenty of awesome single players games, remakes, sequels and new IPs. Remember that they were making more 1st party money (profits) from only one platform, PS4, just before the PS5 generation.
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Killer8
Member
You're misunderstanding his point.
Yes, Sony are making money releasing the games on Steam. But in the process they are also reducing reasons for people to buy a PlayStation. And if people don't buy into PlayStation, it makes it less likely for that person to invest in their ecosystem full stop. Exclusives get people through the door but Sony then make the money off the 30% cut on everything.
There is the old Phil Spencer quote about how every time they ship a game on PlayStation, Sony captures 30 percent of the revenue. Phil didn't actually grasp the sheer magnitude of how problematic releasing on other platforms is.
Yes, releasing on another platform is a problem because it means 30% of your revenue is lost to a rival company. But releasing on another platform is also a problem because it completely disincentivises people from buying into yours.
In the time since that quote was made, Xbox sales collapsed and now Microsoft are fully third party.
There's a big reason Nintendo is not fucking around with porting games or multiplatform because it fucks your value as a brand.
Buggy Loop
Member
So they want to say bye bye to ~$500-700M yearly? lol I don't think so.
Thinking Sony is at war or they can close back Pandora's box after tasting nearly half a billion yearly on a platform is BryanK grade level copium.
Buggy Loop
Member
Money coming in after 30% cut for an easy port is nothing. It's certainly better than to say you stay within your closed walls because you get to keep 30%. It doesn't work like that, you get access to a bigger pool of gamers and you make money.
$500M to $700M Sony is making yearly on PC.
Nintendo is being Nintendo, they're in their own world and oblivious to trends. Maybe investors will put pressure. They would also benefit on multiplatform.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Buggy Loop
Member
Thinking PC is irrelevant for gamer's attention is full copium, adding arbitrary reasons to protect the little PC hardware in a plastic box with a closed walled OS doesn't change the fact that PC keeps expanding and has much more traction with younger generation because of online games, indies and broadcasts on twitch.
twilo99
Member
It died 20 years ago after Microsoft's death in the 90s which is weird to think about
vaibhavpisal
Member
It wont be, Magnus will come and it will go on.
I doubt even Xbox officially announcing retirement is going to stop it.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Imagine giving a shit about console wars.
Buggy Loop
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Exactly. I don't think it is any coincidence that Sony's movement into the PC space has increased in line with Xbox's demise.
"We're not going to grow the market with $1,000 consoles"
~some guy
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Bulletbrain
Member
There is no war bro. The PC market represents a decent (if not major) market opportunity that PlayStation can continue to penetrate into. Don't need to do much, just release everything 6-12 months after the PS debut and that will keep everyone happy. Played right, it's just free money...and quite margin accretive money too I might add.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Yup. Narrow minded us vs them where the tribe is what fucking platform you use to play games.
As a publisher, Sony should try to make some sales on PC. PC gamers don't have much of a reason to buy a PS other than exclusives, but that isn't what Sony's business is focused on. Sony wants to sell people licensed games. That's 30% free money for being a platform owner. They make games in service to that. Their exclusives differentiate the platform from others and also make some money on their own but they are also something that could sell a million copies on PC depending on the title. Leaving that money on the table is not responsible. It is not like waiting 1 year to get a PS game on PC is holding a PC gamer back from buying a platform they would only play exclusives on. Even if it did, they are not going to be the most valuable customers so the choice is, do we try to force a few thousand people with enough interest in our games to buy a PS to play them, or do we try to sell 100s of thousands of copies of games to PC gamers?
What they should do is try to get a PS store on PC that also has some perks like great controller integration, use of other PS accessories like the handheld and an easy way to play online with PS friends. I get that some PC gamers are anti non steam stores but I can't believe that not having a way to get 100% of the PC revenue is not worth at least evaluating as a possible investment
vaibhavpisal
Member
Only thing that can defeat Nintendo is themselves.
Ar¢tos
Member
90s MS was utterly fucked up.
So many lies, shenanigans and clusterfucks that they never managed to fully restore consumer's trust.
Topher
Identifies as young
When Sony creates a handheld, then we can talk about that, but Nintendo isn't trying to move into the space that PlayStation and Xbox have competed in for so long.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I think they're going to scale it back especially outside of live games. It hasn't really been that successful after the initial few and the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
memoryman3
Member
Correct. Valve is Sony's biggest enemy in the space. In fact, I would even argue that they are Microsoft's enemy, and the companies should have actively sought to sue for creating a PC gaming monopoly.
Sony are better off porting their games to Xbox/Epic/their own launcher than Steam.
Oh and Sony can very easily strangle Nintendo with path tracing, which will make AAA completely unviable on future Switch consoles.
Sony are better off porting their games to Xbox/Epic/their own launcher than Steam.
Oh and Sony can very easily strangle Nintendo with path tracing, which will make AAA completely unviable on future Switch consoles.
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Topher
Identifies as young
If that were how it worked then companies would have been suing Microsoft for decades. Having a monopoly isn't illegal. Actively using monopoly dominance to kill competition is.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
You are probably very young based on your poor grammer and fanboyism. No, Xbox is not dead, but the amount of money Microsoft generates has nothing to do with the decision to kill XBOX. Microsoft also had the Zune, the Microsoft Band, Windows Phone on and on... All were killed. Can they kill XBOX after the huge acquisitions? It would be difficult. Will it survive as you know it? No.
That's not a good argument at all. Yes. The average consumer doesn't follow console wars nor do they care about your past products. Release something the market wants, and it will be successful. The Wii U flopped, Switch was a hit, Apple nearly went under before the turn around, AMD, IBM, FORD Motor, American Express, Marvel Comics...
The problem for Xbox is that there is a future, but the same morons are at the helm.
They have not "abandoned" the product, although I sometimes wish they would. Their console still recieves a lot of games, updates and new accessories. They just decided to become sluts for higher margins given the market has relegated their consoles to Gamepass machines.
splattered
Member
There is no more war, the only ones left fighting are delusional middle aged gamers <3
Mr Moose
Gold Member
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Do you want to do business in the largest gaming or not?
Consoles are largely unpopular there and the customer acquisition costs would be astronomical to get people to move away from the entrenched PC market.
It's like EGS vs Steam. EGS is perfectly functional. Moneyhatted exclusives. Gives away legitimately free games since it's inception, including huge games like GTAV. And nobody cares. People will simply wait for Steam or disregard the games altogether that are EGS exclusive.
Sony is in the same boat. People will just not buy your games rather than spend $500+ tip to play them, and pay for online as well when there are so many PC games anyway.
daclynk
Member
What about the WII?
SAME the was said Wii Vc the HD twins.
Or 360 vs Wii vs PS3
its happening again as everyone is COPING NINTENDO AGAIN. like they did with the Wii.
but according to GAF
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