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[Bojanglez]

They(Sony Fans) know Microsoft is transitioning to selling living room PC boxes that behave like consoles and they don't want that device to have access to Playstation games. This device will be a direct alternative to buying a PS6 since it will be able to play the same Sony games(at better performance).

Until little Jimmy is watching a Youtube video about Free Robux on his "XBox" and follows a link in the comments that installs a virus to mine crypto from his GPU, and fucks up his performance (extreme example maybe). Then it will soon become apparent that it is not behaving like a console.

 

[UniformDeliverance]

People saying Sony will continue to release their games on PC don't understand their strategy.
The PC gamers already know about games like God of War, Uncharted, Last of Us, Horizon,Spiderman and Ghost of Tsushima. They know what Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games and Sony first party in general can offer.

Sony has already advertised theirs IPs and studios to PC gamers. Now Sony can chose to not release their games on PC. And those that liked those games would buy a PS5/PS6

You're too far gone huh?

 

[kaizenkko]

Sony isn't changing its strategy simply because it's working very well for them. They've been porting games to PC for almost five years now, and the PS5 continues to sell extremely well — it will probably even surpass the PS4 (when aligned by launch time) once GTA VI comes out.

People claiming that the PS5 is "useless" because its games are available on PC have absolutely no idea how this market works. For years, people on internet forums have been saying that PC gaming is the superior platform, but that hasn't stopped consoles from selling — and since last generation, almost all major titles have been released on PC day and date anyway.

PlayStation is the only brand that can sell consoles purely on the strength of its name, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Sony isn't changing its strategy simply because it's working very well for them. They've been porting games to PC for almost five years now, and the PS5 continues to sell extremely well — it will probably even surpass the PS4 (when aligned by launch time) once GTA VI comes out.

People claiming that the PS5 is "useless" because its games are available on PC have absolutely no idea how this market works. For years, people on internet forums have been saying that PC gaming is the superior platform, but that hasn't stopped consoles from selling — and since last generation, almost all major titles have been released on PC day and date anyway.

PlayStation is the only brand that can sell consoles purely on the strength of its name, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

PS6 will sell really well due to the simple fact there will no longer be any other alternative to playing AAA games at high resolutions and framerates under $1000 besides the Playstation. They could release their games day one on PC and their customers could cry their eyes out about it and it wouldn't change anything. What could their customers do in retaliation? Buy a more expensive device haha?

 

[forsakkenSoul]

I didn't know that EA and Ubisoft made consoles....

What kind of comparison is that?

A third-party publisher vs a platform holder???

But the comparison wasn't about that. It's about how restricting access to your games usually backfires with PC gamers.

EA and Ubisoft tried to pull people away from Steam into their own stores, and even that failed. Now imagine expecting PC gamers not only to buy from a new store, but also to buy an entirely new platform just to keep playing your games.

Some will do it, sure, but most won't. History has already shown that this kind of closed-off strategy doesn't hold up with the PC audience.

 

[poppabk]

They know it will get rubbed in their face the Playstation games running better on an "Xbox". Once it came out this was the direction Microsoft were going you started seeing comments on this site how Sony would prevent the games from being on it but somehow still be on Steam.

Oh no. Might have been mildly annoying - but with all Xbox games going to PlayStation why would anyone give a shit. People are seemingly struggling with having to have a gaming 'identity' that is about what they play rather than what others can't play.

 

[MisterXDTV]

But the comparison wasn't about that. It's about how restricting access to your games usually backfires with PC gamers.

EA and Ubisoft tried to pull people away from Steam into their own stores, and even that failed. Now imagine expecting PC gamers not only to buy from a new store, but also to buy an entirely new platform just to keep playing your games.

Some will do it, sure, but most won't. History has already shown that this kind of closed-off strategy doesn't hold up with the PC audience.

But the business models are completely different

EA and Ubisoft strategy couldn't possibly have worked, because their business model IS about selling the highest number of copies of games, period...

Sony has to protect its hardware platform first, so they have to strike a balance between more revenue from games without losing Playstation customers

It's apples and oranges

 

[Lootlord]

It's us vs them.

 

[Topher]

They(Sony Fans) know Microsoft is transitioning to selling living room PC boxes that behave like consoles and they don't want that device to have access to Playstation games. This device will be a direct alternative to buying a PS6 since it will be able to play the same Sony games(at better performance).

Why would PS fans care about a PC having access to PS games that are already on PC? Seriously man.....this sounds like a contrived "war" spun up out of nothing at all.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Why would PS fans care about a PC having access to PS games that are already on PC? Seriously man.....this sounds like a contrived "war" spun up out of nothing at all.

Because people are petty and its an unflattering aspect of human nature to feel special about having access to things others do not.

 

[Topher]

Because people are petty and its an unflattering aspect of human nature to feel special about having access to things others do not.

People already have access to those games outside of PS. This doesn't change anything.

 

[Mister Wolf]

People already have access to those games outside of PS. This doesn't change anything.

Rumor  Thread 'Jez Corden: "100% Steam is coming to Xbox"'

May 22, 2024

According to Jez Corden (Windows Central) Steam will be coming to the next Xbox.

This is unrelated to the buyout rumor, rather Xbox will allow other stores on the console:

100% steam is on the next xbox

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• Replies: 280
• Forum: Gaming Discussion

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[Parazels]

For years, people on internet forums have been saying that PC gaming is the superior platform

pc-minority, not all people!

 

[forsakkenSoul]

But the business models are completely different

EA and Ubisoft strategy couldn't possibly have worked, because their business model IS about selling the highest number of copies of games, period...

Sony has to protect its hardware platform first, so they have to strike a balance between more revenue from games without losing Playstation customers

It's apples and oranges

Yes, I understand that. Sony needs to focus on hardware sales in addition to software. But I'm only talking about the software side, especially since the comment I originally responded to was focused on that.

My point is simple: if Sony wants to maximize its software sales, it needs to release its games on Steam. Stopping PC releases won't make the majority of PC gamers buy a PlayStation just to play Sony's games.

 

[Topher]

Rumor  Thread 'Jez Corden: "100% Steam is coming to Xbox"'

May 22, 2024

According to Jez Corden (Windows Central) Steam will be coming to the next Xbox.

This is unrelated to the buyout rumor, rather Xbox will allow other stores on the console:

100% steam is on the next xbox

• Draugoth
• Replies: 280
• Forum: Gaming Discussion

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Steam games will continue to be available on Steam. Got it

 

[MisterXDTV]

Steam games will continue to be available on Steam. Got it

That's really big news...

 

[Bernkastel]

I don't think that's the strategy. Horizon, God of War, The Last of Us, and Spider-Man all already have their sequels on PC. So they are tempting PC players to buy a PS5 to play those IPs… by releasing them on PC anyway?

Releasing them on PC, advertising your IPs and studios to PC gamers and then pulling the plug on PC releases.

Besides, do you honestly believe any significant amount of PC players who have invested into PC gaming is going to switch over to console for a handful of games released over a decade?

It's important to those who invested in Sony first party titles in PC.

 

[Bernkastel]

That actually reminds me of the strategy EA and Ubisoft tried in the past when they decided to stop releasing their games on Steam and sell exclusively through their own stores. The result? Both eventually returned to Steam, because cutting off such a large player base simply didn't make sense financially. And that was just moving to another store on the same platform.

Now imagine Sony doing something even more extreme, instead of asking PC gamers to use a different store, they'd be asking them to buy an entirely new platform just to play their games. Of course, some people would do that, but it's unlikely that such a strategy would be supported by the majority. And while Sony's PC releases might not bring massive profits right now, that could change in the future. Investing in PC is a long-term return strategy for them.

Sony is not EA/Ubisoft. PC revenue is miniscule compared to their console revenue.

 

[Zathalus]

It's important to those who invested in Sony first party titles in PC.

If they really really want the games they can buy a console for it. But that likely won't make Sony any significant amount of more money, because A) They will just buy the handful (or even just one) game that interests them and not invest into the ecosystem and B) Sony might now need to take a hardware loss on the console sold to them.

Sony doesn't really care about users that buy the PS5 for a handful of exclusives and nothing else. They want users that buy tons of console games, spend heavily on the GaaS games, and invest into the ecosystem. Drive by console tourists that buy those few exclusives are a drop in the bucket.

 

[Fess]

That actually reminds me of the strategy EA and Ubisoft tried in the past when they decided to stop releasing their games on Steam and sell exclusively through their own stores. The result? Both eventually returned to Steam, because cutting off such a large player base simply didn't make sense financially. And that was just moving to another store on the same platform.

Now imagine Sony doing something even more extreme, instead of asking PC gamers to use a different store, they'd be asking them to buy an entirely new platform just to play their games. Of course, some people would do that, but it's unlikely that such a strategy would be supported by the majority. And while Sony's PC releases might not bring massive profits right now, that could change in the future. Investing in PC is a long-term return strategy for them.

Ubisoft and EA didn't have hardware, Sony is in a different position. Strategically I'm thinking they can't keep their games on Steam if Valve decide to enter the living room with a competitive console-like Steam-focused PC. An Xbox with Steam access would be bad enough but could be okay if they're just using Windows 11 and a full screen Xbox App and not a full-fiedged console mode. A SteamOS device is 99.9% a console, would be a direct competitor.

 

[Paris]

I think the future "struggle" is games running in the cloud vs games running on local hardware.

For the hardcore gaming community, it is hard to take cloud gaming seriously due to the quality drawbacks. But for the normies, ie. the vast majority of the gaming market, if cloud gaming is easy enough and frictionless enough, it will catch on. When we get to the point where all a normie needs to do is plug their phone into a simple TV dock or pair a controller to their smart TV and then they get to play all of their Fortnite, Madden, FIFA, and COD games just as they would on a console, that will be it.

If this is the future, the Xbox strategy and Playstation strategy of having more of their back catalog "PC streaming ready" makes sense. It has to be quite expensive to have a bespoke hardware backend (think PS3 cell hardware on server cards) to stream these games. But if there is a version that can run on PC like architectures, then they will have cost effective options for leasing cloud computing resources as needed as they scale up their userbase. If they can pay for these "PC ports" by releasing them on Steam and make some profit along the way, then I can see how that makes sense for them to continue doing so.

 

[L*][*N*K]

so the wars has to be Sony vs. someone?? Can't they just get along with everyone for once??

 

[Bernkastel]

Sony might now need to take a hardware loss on the console sold to them.

People who buy a PS5 would try to invest into that ecosystem. The net profit from 30% cut outweighs the loss from PS5. Also at this point I don't think they sell PS5 at a loss.

 

[Jigsaah]

People saying Sony will continue to release their games on PC don't understand their strategy.
The PC gamers already know about games like God of War, Uncharted, Last of Us, Horizon,Spiderman and Ghost of Tsushima. They know what Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games and Sony first party in general can offer.

Sony has already advertised theirs IPs and studios to PC gamers. Now Sony can chose to not release their games on PC. And those that liked those games would buy a PS5/PS6

Well they'll miss out on the launch hype purchases from a platform with more than double the amount of users on PS5. If you think a significant number of PC owners are all of a suddenly going to switch to PS6 because of the next iteration of those titles...I want some of what you're smokin. Add to this that PC owners now largely expect to get most of the exclusives at this now that we got all those. I guess maybe things will change with Ghost of Yotei and it'll never come out on PC. In my opinion, that's Sony's loss, not PC gamers.

 

[PlayStaytion]

All rumours point that valve was selling steam deck at a loss for quite a while early on.

They have a lot to take care of to have a seamless experience, to me the biggest problem are the mess of upscalers, they need a general upscaler overwrite, detect DLSS, FSR, TAA, XeSS and like optiscaler, make an automatic switch to what the hardware supports. It's closer than ever I think. Their Deckard research into playing steam deck games on ARM will also only help their inevitable console like platform.

They could throw all their library of games into a giant Quantum Computer and see the magic. It doesn't necessarily needs a bunch of bearded guys to make it work.

 

[grvg]

Console war threads are some of the cringiest things on the internet, historically on par with the dumbest shit tumblr ever managed to churn out.

 

[Neofire]

Must be. They've put every single one of their multimillion selling franchises on PC besides Gran Turismo

You know damn well they aren't putting everyone one on PC and the ones that are coming the Herman and company had something to do with that. We will see how long that last once the new CEO starts to see how it's crashing out the PlayStation brand and undermining the user base.

 

[Zathalus]

You damn well they aren't putting everyone one on PC and the ones that are coming the Herman and company had something to do with that. We will see how long that last once the new CEO starts to see how it's crashing out the PlayStation brand and undermining the user base.

Crashing out the PlayStation brand? The disastrous GaaS pivot did far more damage to 1st party studios than PC ports have ever done. But even then, by almost all relevant metrics, PlayStation is as strong as it has ever been.

 

[Braag]

I know console wars are coming to an end with Xbox bowing out and some are still desperately trying to keep that fire burning. But no, PC and consoles are very different markets.

 

[Durin]

It's possible Sony might stop PC ports if Steam creates their own box in the living room that is more direct competition, but I think they'll just keep their current strategy of multiplayer games day one + single-player games on a delay for a while.

Sony likes making the extra money the same way Nintendo does on mobile. Sony will still prioritize their own box, but as mobile OSs like Android are being forced to allow other storefronts without the cut, and cloud streaming are on the horizon being only on one box is gonna be less common. I think Sony will likely port to mobile the same way I think Valve will make Proton work on arm to just have Steam games on smartphones and tablets. I think Sony and Steam games will be better on their original platforms, but they'll be on other places too.

 

[dgrdsv]

People saying Sony will continue to release their games on PC don't understand their strategy.
The PC gamers already know about games like God of War, Uncharted, Last of Us, Horizon,Spiderman and Ghost of Tsushima. They know what Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games and Sony first party in general can offer.

Sony has already advertised theirs IPs and studios to PC gamers. Now Sony can chose to not release their games on PC. And those that liked those games would buy a PS5/PS6

Yeah this won't work.
PC gamers "knew about what Sony has to offer" since the 90s.
When they didn't buy their consoles to play these games was because they didn't want to buy the consoles specifically.
And Sony is launching games on PC because there are a lot of people on PC who don't want to or can't for whatever reason play on consoles.
These people will not start buying consoles to play sequels of Sony games if Sony would decide to stop launching them on PC. Sony would just lose this revenue stream - which is the main reason why they even decided to port games to PC in the first place.

 

[schaft0620]

We are now in a post console war industry.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Xbox is not dead lol. Microsoft have like 10 times the money of SONY. They could literally have 5 generations of consoles fail and it still wont be a dent in their wallets. They arent SEGA that was barely hanging on just to keep the lights on in their office. I think they just decided to fold this generation, focus on the next, probably realized after buying all those studios, almost nothing has time to release currently so they are just making a switch and bet on the next gen and im pretty sure considering they never went with a "pro" version, they didnt need to expand the lifetime of XsX generation and just like the 360, will come out a year earlier than the PS6 to try to grab the market again. Also, whats this fetish with PS5 business...their exclusives used to come out like 4 years after on PC, now its like less than 2 years. The newest reports are saying the plan is for PS to have 6 months exclusivity and then gets a port to PC. We are not in the 2000s anymore, SONY is bleeding money too, they will port, not fight against PC.

So not sure why all this doom and gloom about xbox when SONY are doing similar things, not to mention ALSO raising their subscription twice this generation and raising the price of their consoles as well.

The main difference with Sony is that they didn't ruin their public image but Xbox did.

Xbox will be relying a lot next gen on their gamepass service offering value but also their console will be very expensive so I'm not sure how the people too poor to buy games will be able to afford this console. Perhaps MS wants them to buy/play on the devices they already own and the next xbox is just for whales and marketing.

I can't imagine gamepass doing well without a console as a base. The console base for gamepass after Xbox PC launches will still be Xbox series.

I'm interested in knowing how long there will be both a console and a PC gamepass and when those come together.

I think the long term plan is either to get PC gamers paying 30 bucks a month for gamepass or to get everyone buying Microsoft games again or maybe both....but I just don't see any of that shit working out. They have devalued everything they sell and it won't be easy for them to convince us it isn't worthless again. Some influencers have even seen this coming and stated they will never buy another game...but MS is wanting you to shell out at the level of a normal gamer, so you either help them or refuse them, but the days of a dollar a month gamepass will be coming to an end for everyone before we know it.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Xbox is dead?

Nope, Xbox is more of a force in the industry than ever before, he must have been sarcastic .

With their bold strategy of instead of releasing a pro console they raised the price of their base console to pro levels, then raised the value of the best deal in gaming history to be more in lign with the insane value gamers got out of gamepass and even raising the price of their entry level console, it shows an insane level of confidence in the quality of their products and that the demand was so high that they had to raise the price to slow it down a little so that production can catch up.

Add to this all their games, with the studios and publishers and you have the most potent force in gaming, both in terms of quality AND numbers. This is unparalleled!

With that in mind they had to find a way for more people to play these amazing games, so they started the largest transformation in the industry by making everything, everywhere all at once an Xbox!

 

[Soren01]

There is no war. Sony will keep selling on Steam and making money. Everyone's gonna be happy, except the forum fanboys

 

[MisterXDTV]

 

[Artistic]

Does this mean Steam on Xbox Magnus is confirmed?

 

[Fess]

Great bump, move over onQ123 I'm the new gaming Nostradamus!

 

[onQ123]

Great bump, move over onQ123 I'm the new gaming Nostradamus!

Lol but I called this war a year earlier

Post in thread 'Mat Piscatella (NPD) - Helldivers 2 is a huge hit, but it's mostly coming from PC. (Update: tweets deleted, no evidence provided)' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/mat-...d-no-evidence-provided.1667400/post-268937153

Post in thread 'Xbox Twitter/X Just Confirmed Their Biggest Games Will Be Multiplatform' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...-will-be-multiplatform.1667540/post-268945389

 

[Fess]

Lol but I called this war a year earlier

Post in thread 'Mat Piscatella (NPD) - Helldivers 2 is a huge hit, but it's mostly coming from PC. (Update: tweets deleted, no evidence provided)' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/mat-piscatella-npd-helldivers-2-is-a-huge-hit-but-it's-mostly-coming-from-pc-update-tweets-deleted-no-evidence-provided.1667400/post-268937153

Post in thread 'Xbox Twitter/X Just Confirmed Their Biggest Games Will Be Multiplatform' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...-will-be-multiplatform.1667540/post-268945389

Naaah that wasn't nearly as spot on I'm the Nostradamus now!

But tbh I no longer think it's because of Steam Machine. Might just be the constant talk about ports. Go read any X thread on a newly announced Sony game, questions about when the PC version comes out are extremely common.

And I was wrong about Xbox being dead too, must've been drunk or something! I think they'll rise from the ashes now. Console warriors are vacuuming the internet to find the tiniest FUD to post about the new CEO now, that's clearly a reaction from being afraid and seeing worrisome changes coming. Dun-dun-dunnn!

The industry is exciting right now! There is so much stuff happening!

 

[Sooner]

Does this mean Steam on Xbox Magnus is confirmed?

Steam isn't "on Xbox". Microsoft is just releasing their own Steam Machine and calling it an Xbox. No different than if Hewlett Packard, Dell or any other company that produces hardware did the same.

It'll be as much an Xbox console as that "Xbox" ROG Ally.

Xbox is dead.

 

[Sooner]

Great bump, move over onQ123 I'm the new gaming Nostradamus!

Nah. You made an actual meaningful prediction that came true. And you didn't have to quote yourself to stroke your own ego.

That's a lot different than O onQ123 who makes all sorts of comments, often what 95% of others are already saying and then quotes himself on the times he's right and ignoring everything else.

I doubt you're ego is that fragile.

 

[onQ123]

Nah. You made an actual meaningful prediction that came true. And you didn't have to quote yourself to stroke your own ego.

That's a lot different than O onQ123 who makes all sorts of comments, often what 95% of others are already saying and then quotes himself on the times he's right and ignoring everything else.

I doubt you're ego is that fragile.

This lunatic still stalking me you really should seek help

 

[Artistic]

Xbox is dead.

Is it really?

 

[Pedro Motta]

Android vs iPhone

 

[Exede]

Why do you want a war here? When youre smart you go for PC+Nintendo when you dont care about to spend more, add a PlayStation.
But ypu simply cant beat PC+Nintendo

 

[Von Hugh]

onQ123 quoting his own posts and smelling his own farts like

 

[Radical_3d]

Is it really?

 

[Peroroncino]

Is it really?

It's somewhere between Marathon and Highguard.

 

[RPS37]

Steam isn't "on Xbox". Microsoft is just releasing their own Steam Machine and calling it an Xbox. No different than if Hewlett Packard, Dell or any other company that produces hardware did the same.

It'll be as much an Xbox console as that "Xbox" ROG Ally.

Xbox is dead.

Oh god. That kind of makes sense. Sure hope it's a more streamlined experience.