kraspkibble
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nah. if you don't have an LG B9/C9/CX for next gen then you're not getting the best experience these consoles offer.
got myself a CX.
got myself a CX.
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Is the TCL 6 Series of 2020 worth buying for gaming?
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BluRayHiDef
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Well, I don't plan on upgrading every two years. I'm considering doing so now only because next-gen consoles will be released this year and will offer new features that aren't supported by my 55R617.
BluRayHiDef
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I'm honestly annoyed by you OLED owners. Everyone is aware of OLED TVs' infinite contrast ratios and perfect blacks; however, there are some people who don't care for their low peak brightness levels and their propensity for burn in (which isn't as bad as it used to be but still exists).
OLED TVs have peak brightness levels that are in the 200-300 nit range when displaying SDR content, which is pathetic, and that are in the 600 nit range when displaying HDR content, which is also pathetic. No thank you.
I like to watch content and game while my window blinds are open during the day time, so OLEDs are out of the question.
BluRayHiDef
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I gave in to my desire and ordered the TCL 55R635. It's scheduled to arrive next Friday. Hopefully, I win the panel lottery again.
Ulysses 31
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While these OLED or nothing bunch can be annoying, in a pitch black room, the brightness of OLED is adequate enough.
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B-universe
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Is that the TCL's 2020 series 6 model you were contemplating?
I'm on the market for a new TV/Monitor - I have been looking at the Samsung Odyssey G9/G7, LG CX, Sony and Hisense lineups as well - so be sure to report back with a thorough review once you have it hooked up!
Ulysses 31
Member
Won't consider Asus monitors?
Asus Preps Huge 4K HDMI 2.1 Monitor in Time for PS5, Xbox Series X
Asus announced three HDMI 2.1 gaming monitors for the holiday season.
www.tomshardware.com
BluRayHiDef
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I can't wait to see it in person. It's too bad that I have to wait until next Friday.
BluRayHiDef
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While these OLED or nothing bunch can be annoying, in a pitch black room, the brightness of OLED is adequate enough.
No one wants to always avoid sunlight; it's necessary for our mental health and circadian rhythm.
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Nerd Strangler
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While these OLED or nothing bunch can be annoying, in a pitch black room, the brightness of OLED is adequate enough.
I game with the lights on, and OLED is adequate. Frankly I am not even sure I would want a brighter tv for gaming. For movie watching sure, but with gaming I like being able to see what I am doing... and there are times when it can be pretty difficult to see and have to squint my eyes. It was cool at first, but gets kind of annoying after a bit.
splattered
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I jumped in on the first 55R615 sets that came out and bought three for my house cause they were so cheap. Worth every penny and not cause i'm being a cheap ass. These are great TVs as long as you get good panels. I totally plan on refreshing my TVs as soon as the TCL support full HDMI 2.1 so maybe next year? Which is fine cause the consoles don't even come out till end of year anyway.
Ulysses 31
Member
I like the brightness and popping colors from the greater color volume that QLEDs have over OLED especially in SDR, it might not be as accurate as content creators intended but it's a personal preference.
What games are you playing that have blinding brightness/specular highlights and then wouldn't it be a matter of turning the brightness down a bit?
BluRayHiDef
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Ghost of Tsushima has very bright highlights in HDR. They're amazing.I like the brightness and popping colors from the greater color volume that QLEDs have over OLED especially in SDR, it might not be as accurate as content creators intended but it's a personal preference.
What games are you playing that have blinding brightness/specular highlights and then wouldn't it be a matter of turning the brightness down a bit?
Dave_at_Home
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No 55' for the 8 series. Would be great if they made a 7 series 4k at 55', but oh well. Also, the 8 series will support full 2.1 since it is 8k and needs that bandwidth.
BluRayHiDef
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I didn't know that the 8 Series will be 8K. Damn. I'd wait for the 8 Series instead, but 65" is too big for my space.
A 65" would be too large to fit on my media cabinet, on which my current TCL sits.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I will always recommend TCL series TVs. Them and Vizio are absolutely worth it, if you're TV budget is under $800.
Nerd Strangler
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I like the brightness and popping colors from the greater color volume that QLEDs have over OLED especially in SDR, it might not be as accurate as content creators intended but it's a personal preference.
What games are you playing that have blinding brightness/specular highlights and then wouldn't it be a matter of turning the brightness down a bit?
I don't know like all of them? Usually its fine its just every now and then some uncomfortably bright scene will blast me in the face. I am aware of how the brightness settings works, thank you.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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I got an oled and the picture is unmatched. However I got burn in last year and it's really annoying. Not sure if I'll get another oled unless one of the TV brands offers some kind of long term oled burn in warranty. For $650 bucks this tlc sounds amazing, too bad it does not have full hdmi 2.1 it's a deal breaker for me. I would not get it better wait for another model and don't regret the decision.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Kuranghi
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No, I haven't. I am going by professional reviewers and forum opinions from enthusiasts who compare sets, I don't know why they'd lie. I don't mean its bad I just mean its not as good relatively compared to Sony image processing, gradient handling and motion.
What model TCL, Sony(s) and Samsung do you own? I guess there wouldn't be as big a difference in image processing (but motion and gradient handling would still be a better in most cases imo) on <85-series for Sony and <7-series QLED when compared to TCL 6-series.
If its TCL high-end models vs 85-series and above Sonys, I definitely think there is a quite a difference.
Please don't state things these things as your own personal opinion then. You have nothing to base it on aside from other people.
TCL is borderline insane in its quality vs. price. I purchased a Sony Master Series Z9F, and still preferred my older TCL 4 Series for size, simplicity, and UX/UI. I do not claim to be a power user, and people can argue contrast ratios, lumens, and pixel density all day. A Lamborghini may be better on paper, but I'll still pick Honda as the better car.
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iamvin22
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The dining zone with this new line doesn't make sense like you said. Should be a lot higher.
OP Vizio also has 2 new gaming tvs coming this year. Ones an oled and the other a led. They have 2 hdmi 2.1 ports with everything the tcl 6 has but I'm not sure they are TJX HDR certified.
RoadHazard
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Does it have proper 10- or-12 bit HDR? Many cheaper sets have (or at least used to have) 8-bit panels, which can't really do real HDR. If yes, sounds like a good purchase to me (on paper at least, don't know what the picture quality is actually like of course). 4K120 games are gonna be few and far between, it's really just gonna be for some 2D indies IMO. Very few, if any, higher budget games are gonna go above 4K60.
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MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Despite this new TLC not having full hdmi 2.1, unless you have a powerful pc, if you plan to use console gaming only let's be realistic how many games will support 4k 120 fps? I think people are delusional thinking the big hits will run at these numbers. I'm skeptical they will run at 4k 60 fps imagine 120.
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UltimaKilo
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Refresh and image quality are important to me, so no. They will likely resolve the issues within a year or two. Also, the lack of true HDR hurts this set.
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BluRayHiDef
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What do you mean by image quality? TCLs typically have great image quality, especially for their price ranges.
Rbk_3
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That’s not accurate. You can do all that with HDMI 2.0 ports.
Phunkydiabetic
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If you're looking for something sub-$800usd then yeah, that is pure TCL/Vizio territory. They reign supreme in that price range.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Did you actually watch the video? Linus doesn't exactly shower that TV with praise since it's a prototype.
And yes, Vizio is also an option.
recursive
Member
Should consider a new stand to get your TV up above your little buddies on the top of your media center.I didn't know that the 8 Series will be 8K. Damn. I'd wait for the 8 Series instead, but 65" is too big for my space.
A 65" would be too large to fit on my media cabinet, on which my current TCL sits.
Ulysses 31
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Yeah, I wouldn't put up with all those things blocking the screen either.
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MR ARCADE FOREVER
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I did and seems to be a decent option. It will cost $2000 though
BluRayHiDef
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No thanks. I'm fine with the way things are.
On another note, I've been reading the "Customer Questions and Answers" section of Amazon's listing for the R635 (Link), which includes official answers provided by TCL North America. TCL NA has confirmed the following:
1. The TV supports Dolby Vision, HDR10, and HLG.
2. For the 55", the spacing between the legs is 43.3 inches and the depth of the legs is 13.7 inches.
3. The 55" is compatible with most wall mounts that support 300mm x 300mm VESA mounting pattern.
4. The R635 has 4 HDMI ports, 1 USB, Coaxial, Composite, Optical, headphone jack, and Ethernet.
5. The Mini LED technology of the R635 is not the Vidrian technology that will be in 2020's 8 Series.
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Kuranghi
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I'm free to state anything as my personal opinion thanks. I trust professional reviews who just want to compare things as "technically" as they can, using industry tests and such, so its not subjective 90% of the time. Its not a personal attack on your choice of TV, I apologise if you feel that way. Even someone whose job it is to evaluate TV brands against each other can't see EVERY TV on the planet, you have to make some assumptions based on other models in the lineup and professional reviews.
Yes I'm talking about picture quality. Not sure what you mean by "size and simplicity", but UX/UI is personal preference depending on usage, so fair enough on that one. I generally compare TV based on the picture quality and then other factors after that.
I'll be able to answer a bit better after you clarify what you mean by "size and simplicity". Just looking though the TCL 4 Series is literally 6-8x less bright than the ZF9, thats an insane difference in light output so the picture will be a lot less dynamic/less depth to it, even in SDR.
If we are just saying that the TCL 4-series was a better size of the set for the money then this isn't really about PQ is it. The thing I wrote that you responded to was saying the image processing and motion aren't quite as good as Samsung and Samsung is behind Sony in that regard. If you are talking about the user experience and other non-PQ related things about the set then fair enough. Its better for you in that regard.
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FeldMonster
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The value is quite impressive, and tempting.
Although I am very happy with my 4K, HDR, 75", I want 4K, 120 Hz capability for Halo. I am tempted to buy something soon-ish with the intention of replacing it with a micro-LED TV someday. Hopefully Samsung and Sony announce multi-port HDMI 2.1 4K HDR TVs in the next year, OLEDs are not for me.
Although I am very happy with my 4K, HDR, 75", I want 4K, 120 Hz capability for Halo. I am tempted to buy something soon-ish with the intention of replacing it with a micro-LED TV someday. Hopefully Samsung and Sony announce multi-port HDMI 2.1 4K HDR TVs in the next year, OLEDs are not for me.
Phunkydiabetic
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Motion resolution is horrible on the TCL's. Local dimming is mediocre at best.
As someone who has owned tcl/vizio (and with the vizio it was a 2019 M series and P series) before moving on to a Sony x900f, yes there is a MASSIVE difference in image processing. I am not exaggerating when I say that it was night and day. Especially in motion resolution and motion handling. Like, they arent even in the same solar system in quality.
Kuranghi
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I know you haven't replied yet but if you include picture quaity in the reasons you preferred the TCL I am shocked to be honest. If you saw these sets side-by-side you would know what I mean. One is literally FIVE times as bright as the other in terms of real scene brightness. EIGHT times brighter when talking about peak brightness. It would be a night day difference. Not even getting into the image processing and motion.
BluRayHiDef
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What's the problem with its motion resolution? I just had mine display the following test and its performance seemed fine, even with Action Smoothing and LED Motion Clarity turned off.
Phunkydiabetic
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I mean, it's hard because personal preference or whatever. Gives a bit of leeway. But as someone who currently has a TCL 4 series in a bedroom and has spent time around the Z9F....I just can't fathom how one would prefer the 4 series. That sounds insane to me. They'd prefer the dumpiest bargain bin TCL over what is literally the pinnacle of LED tvs? Come on hahahahaha
Kuranghi
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Have you tried 1080p/1440p120hz on your X900F? I have a ZD9 which is capable of it but the response time is so long on the 65" I have that it makes less visual difference than I think it would on your set, I think X900F 80% response time is ~4ms, whereas mine is ~36ms ha.
Get some LED backlighting strips off of Ebay, it'll change your world. Also maybe get glasses.
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Kuranghi
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I still think my Z9D is the pinnacle but the Z9F does have higher brightness for SDR, the much much improved X-Motion Clarity BFI (that debuted in your X900F) and the better image processing of the X1U over our X1E. I wish I could get an engineer to put the FPGA from the Z9F in my Z9D but I'm sure it doesn't work like that lol
BluRayHiDef
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What TV do you have?
UltimaKilo
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I want full 4K @ 120hz, not 1440p @ 120hz. That’s just me, I understand plenty of people don’t care for 4K
Phunkydiabetic
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Second this, got some bias lighting last year and it made a pretty big difference in lessening eye strain (I typically game in the dark) and with perceived contrast.
Phunkydiabetic
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Shit man Z9D or Z9F, regardless of which one it's ludicrous to me that someone would prefer a TCL 4 series over those haha
They really do change the feel and experience, it's pretty amazing. I'm a huge fan of them. I've noticed a decrease in eyestrain while using them also.
recursive
Member
Ok, it is your setup so it just needs to please you. I just found it odd that you are worried about all these features but not being able to actually see your whole screen.
Dave_at_Home
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It's not a matter of next-gen games running at 120fps. It's a matter of running current generation games on next-gen consoles that could hit those frame rates.
Dave_at_Home
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Motion resolution is low on both LCD and OLED due to the way they both utilize "sample and hold" to produce the image. 300 lines is the baseline motion resolution on both LCD and OLED, but pixel response time is vastly different. OLED is significantly faster than LCD on that front. Funny thing is, because OLED pixel response is so fast, 30fps gaming can look like a juddering mess. On the other hand, 30fps gaming on an LCD tends to hide this judder because of its slower response time. This is why you always see some sort of "motion clarity" technique used on both technologies. Granted, it's not great for gaming since it creates input lag, so it's mostly for TV and movie watching. I can't speak to TCL's refresh rate, but the 6/8 series is a 120hz panel, and the 8 series will be utilizing an active matrix panel, so there's that.