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[OutrageousFacts]

I like sexy characters in games, but there is definately a line that gets crossed going from sexy to plain embarrassing levels of trashy.

But that's true for irl, too. Except the irl embarrassing women aren't attractive.

 

[Geki-D]

Yes, they can. It's their work. If you don't like it you can fuck off. lol

I'm a musician. If I released a prog metal first album and I wanted to make a trap-pop second album with Brap rapping on it no one would be right on calling me off because it's my work. Fans are morons most of the time.

So if game devs decide they don't want scantily clad women in their games, or they want to promote a certain idea, like, say body positivity, then they can and if fans don't like it they can fuck off.

I 100% agree, especially with the fact that fans are morons most of the time.

/thread

 

[lock2k]

So if game devs decide they don't want scantily clad women in their games, or they want to promote a certain idea, like, say body positivity, then they can and if fans don't like it they can fuck off.

I 100% agree, especially with the fact that fans are morons most of the time.

/thread

You guys are becoming masters of taking comments out of context and bending them to fit your narratives. Congratulations.

To answer you. Yes, they can do that to their product, that IS THEIR PRODUCT. Except that we know they only do it due to pressure from groups and it's not their own mentality (especially among the Japanese companies trying to make their products more attractive to the west's current zeitgeist). But, still, as creators, they can fuck up all they want and we have the option to like it or not.

Also, body positivity is total bullshit.

It's the socialism of ugly people trying to make everyone as ugly as possible for them to feel good. The whales that prech body positivity would be really happy with a killer beach body if they could. Since they can't, they'd rather spoil the fun for everyone else. Fucking whales

 

[Geki-D]

You guys are becoming masters of taking comments out of context and bending them to fit your narratives. Congratulations.

To answer you. Yes, they can do that to their product, that IS THEIR PRODUCT. Except that we know they only do it due to pressure from groups and it's not their own mentality (especially among the Japanese companies trying to make their products more attractive to the west's current zeitgeist). But, still, as creators, they can fuck up all they want and we have the option to like it or not.
Also, body positivity is total bullshit.

It's the socialism of ugly people trying to make everyone as ugly as possible for them to feel good. The whales that prech body positivity would be really happy with a killer beach body if they could. Since they can't, they'd rather spoil the fun for everyone else. Fucking whales

This is an appeal to conspiracy. Pretty much, if the games devs do what you like, all is ok but if they're not suddenly there must be a shadowy force behind it making them do it. Like all conspiracy theories, I'd love to see your proof of this.

Really is hypocrisy at its best and I knew you'd quickly flip the switch on your position when I pointed out how it worked against you. Game devs should do what they want (so long as they want is what I want otherwise they're wrong).

Well guess what, your trap-pop album only exists because clearly Brap is pressuring you to make it. But, still, as a creator, you can fuck up your music career all you want and we have the option to like it or not.

 

[GreenAlien]

This is an appeal to conspiracy. Pretty much, if the games devs do what you like, all is ok but if they're not suddenly there must be a shadowy force behind it making them do it. Like all conspiracy theories, I'd love to see your proof of this.

How is censorship of games that came out uncensored in Japan "a conspiracy"? How much more proof do you want?

How about you read this thread again?

 

[GymWolf]

imagine being a straight male and arguing against sexy chara design for whatever reason...

this shit doens't even need a defense to begin with, we are male and we are pleased by sexy chara design and not because we have to wank on any single female character in any single game, i have deepfake porn with emma watson face or some good ol sexy stepmom stuff starring corey chase for that (or even a shitload of videogames related porns with real actress for the most kinky dudes)

we don't even want sexy character in any game that comes out if that is not appropriate with the tone of the game, no one asked sexy bikini skin for the protagonist of alien isolation or the last of us 2.

even people who cried about jill redesign was most talking about the new outfit being boring as fuck or her face being a little masculine in some instances, in the old desing you don't see uncovered boobs or ass but it's still far more iconic.

do people ever asked for kat in gears 5 to not having her big ass armour and fighting with just a thong? no.
we asked for a more feminine face, just that, because guess what, feminine faces are more pleasant to watch in cutscenes.

people want serious and practical outfits but with a character that doens't have a huge chin and jaw or other masculine traits and maybe some good ass or boobs, why the fuck not? is it impractical to having a nice pair of boobs when you use a fucking shotgun to kill zombies? no it isn't, people with big boobs or asses exist in real life and they have shitty messy jobs, you know?

people who talked shit about aloy in HZD, did that for the supposed stronk woman against evil bad man narrative or her puffy face compared to the real life model, not for lack of ultra-sexy outfits, we know it's silly to have that in semi-realistic dramatic story games, we are not 12 years old.


of course you have some exceptions with some ultra thirsty guys but it's a small percentage (and that's why sexy mods on pc exist), most people just want to enjoy beatiful women in their games, games are fantasy escapism stuff, not real life.

nobody want to see an obese ugly black widow in their marvel movies, same for videogames.

 

[lock2k]

This is an appeal to conspiracy. Pretty much, if the games devs do what you like, all is ok but if they're not suddenly there must be a shadowy force behind it making them do it. Like all conspiracy theories, I'd love to see your proof of this.

Really is hypocrisy at its best and I knew you'd quickly flip the switch on your position when I pointed out how it worked against you. Game devs should do what they want (so long as they want is what I want otherwise they're wrong).

Well guess what, your trap-pop album only exists because clearly Brap is pressuring you to make it. But, still, as a creator, you can fuck up your music career all you want and we have the option to like it or not.

I never switched my position. I'm all for freedom. Creators have the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want to. We have years and years of evidence and mea culpa of creators apologizing and explaining why they went for a woke direction and none of them came from creative freedom. They came from creative pressure. No conspiracy at all. Just browse the web (and this thread) and you'll find the evidence.

And, as of my album, I have more chances of finding success with my brap/trap album than with prog metal. lol

 

[OutrageousFacts]

This is an appeal to conspiracy. Pretty much, if the games devs do what you like, all is ok but if they're not suddenly there must be a shadowy force behind it making them do it. Like all conspiracy theories, I'd love to see your proof of this.

Really is hypocrisy at its best and I knew you'd quickly flip the switch on your position when I pointed out how it worked against you. Game devs should do what they want (so long as they want is what I want otherwise they're wrong).

Well guess what, your trap-pop album only exists because clearly Brap is pressuring you to make it. But, still, as a creator, you can fuck up your music career all you want and we have the option to like it or not.

There are many examples of publishers/developers changing their games due to authoritarian femcels harassing them by organizing an outrage campain on social media, usually spearheaded by Kotaku, polygon, Eurogamer, Waypoint and, of course, Resetera.

It's why I'm thankful that guys like Yoko Taro exist who ignore the #scaryboobs crowd and do what they want.

 

[lock2k]

imagine being a straight male and arguing against sexy chara design for whatever reason...

this shit doens't even need a defense to begin with, we are male and we are pleased by sexy chara design and not because we have to wank on any single female character in any single game, i have deepfake porn with emma watson face or some good ol sexy stepmom stuff starring corey chase for that (or even a shitload of videogames related porns with real actress for the most kinky dudes)

we don't even want sexy character in any game that comes out if that is not appropriate with the tone of the game, no one asked sexy bikini skin for the protagonist of alien isolation or the last of us 2.

even people who cried about jill redesign was most talking about the new outfit being boring as fuck or her face being a little masculine in some instances, in the old desing you don't see uncovered boobs or ass but it's still far more iconic.

do people ever asked for kat in gears 5 to not having her big ass armour and fighting with just a thong? no.
we asked for a more feminine face, just that, because guess what, feminine faces are more pleasant to watch in cutscenes.

people want serious and practical outfits but with a character that doens't have a huge chin and jaw or other masculine traits and maybe some good ass or boobs, why the fuck not? is it impractical to having a nice pair of boobs when you use a fucking shotgun to kill zombies? no it isn't, people with big boobs or asses exist in real life and they have shitty messy jobs, you know?

people who talked shit about aloy in HZD, did that for the supposed stronk woman against evil bad man narrative or her puffy face compared to the real life model, not for lack of ultra-sexy outfits, we know it's silly to have that in semi-realistic dramatic story games, we are not 12 years old.


of course you have some exceptions with some ultra thirsty guys but it's a small percentage (and that's why sexy mods on pc exist), most people just want to enjoy beatiful women in their games, games are fantasy escapism stuff, not real life.

nobody want to see an obese ugly black widow in their marvel movies, same for videogames.

I wonder if these people cry when someone plays with Mai Shiranui.

"Respect the wahmenz" lol

 

[Geki-D]

How is censorship of games that came out uncensored in Japan "a conspiracy"? How much more proof do you want?

How about you read this thread again?

How about you read the thread again? The thread is about the lack of fan service in western games due to the choices of devs to not have overly sexulised characters. It's not about east games generally made to be specifically about fan service and how they're treated in their western versions. You have no idea what my position is on that.

We have years and years of evidence and mea culpa of creators apologizing and explaining why they went for a woke direction and none of them came from creative freedom. They came from creative pressure. No conspiracy at all. Just browse the web (and this thread) and you'll find the evidence.

Bringing up this thread is pretty ironic considering it's a pretty clear sign of pressure from gamers trying to browbeat game devs into doing what they want. Ever heard the term "go woke go broke"? It's just a veiled threat to say put certain ideas in your game and we'll boycott it. It's pressure to police creative content plain and simple. nothing but cancel culture, this whole thread, all of these threads complaining about "wokeness" is just cancel culture. We got pretty much every thread about The Last of Us Part 2 full of people saying Druckmann needs to be fired because they don't like what he's putting in the game HE is the lead designer & writer on.

You guys are really poorly placed to criticize anyone else on pressuring devs.

 

[DryPancakes]

Nope, but then I'm for letting the devs do what they want and I'm not going to start crying because devs aren't interested in putting fan service in every game or throw a fit because every girl in games isn't pretty.

This is an appeal to conspiracy. Pretty much, if the games devs do what you like, all is ok but if they're not suddenly there must be a shadowy force behind it making them do it. Like all conspiracy theories, I'd love to see your proof of this.

You seriously had to be living under a rock for the past 6 years, are you going to say there hasn't been article after article shaming and calling out developers for the daring to use sexy designs? Publishers hiring activists who have clearly stated their intent when they get their hands on legacy franchises? Anita Sarkeesian being invited to lecture their devs on intersectionality and feminism? Japanese games being literally censored with Sony’s shining rays of holy light? Are you really going to say with a straight face none of those things have been happening?

If devs are doing what they do now, it’s not entirely because that’s what they want but also because the cultural landscape has force them to adapt into political correctness and because literal activists are being hired for the sole purpose of bringing video games to the “right side of history”.

Not all of them of course, but you can’t deny there’s a feminism/social justice movement going on, that has clearly influenced the way video games (and entertainment as a whole) in the west are being made now and is slowly creeping into Japanese video games as well.

 

[GymWolf]

I wonder if these people cry when someone plays with Mai Shiranui.

"Respect the wahmenz" lol

they let the other player winning because they don't want a male digital character beating a woman or even worst touching their boobs with a punch.

 

[Geki-D]

If devs are doing what they do now, it’s not entirely because that’s what they want but also because the cultural landscape has force them to adapt into political correctness and because literal activists are being hired for the sole purpose of bringing video games to the “right side of history”.

Besides the Anita Sarkeesian meme who apparently like spoke to maybe 2 devs 6 years ago and hasn't really done anything gaming related since, who are these other "activists" who were hired and how were they hired in the first place? Did they break into the studios at night and hide in the toilets till morning then just infiltrate the team when the studio opened? Also what is the names of their position in the game studios?

 

[GreenAlien]

How about you read the thread again? The thread is about the lack of fan service in western games due to the choices of devs to not have overly sexulised characters.

The thread has long since evolved to be more than that.

Ever heard the term "go woke go broke"? It's just a veiled threat to say put certain ideas in your game and we'll boycott it. It's pressure to police creative content plain and simple. nothing but cancel culture, this whole thread, all of these threads complaining about "wokeness" is just cancel culture.

It's quite obvious you have no idea what you are talking about or twist meanings on purpose.

"go woke go broke" has nothing to do with boycotts. It's an observation of a phenomenon that's happening a lot, not because of boycotts, but because of a lack of interest in the product.

This thread is certainly not "cancel culture". If you do X, I'm not buying your product" isn't canceling, other people can buy it just fine if they want to. That's quite different from making sure no one gets to enjoy it or trying to forbid artists from doing what they want to do/forcing them off certain platforms.

 

[Geki-D]

"go woke go broke" has nothing to do with boycotts. It's an observation of a phenomenon that's happening a lot, not because of boycotts, but because of a lack of interest in the product.

Nice rationalization. Guess what, if a group of people tell a musician "go trap-pop, go broke". they're clearly telling the musician that if they make a trap-pop album, that group won't buy it. It's a threat, a boycott.

This thread is certainly not "cancel culture". If you do X, I'm not buying your product" isn't canceling, other people can buy it just fine if they want to. That's quite different from making sure no one gets to enjoy it.

Sure buddy, a group getting together and saying if game dev does X, they won't buy their game isn't any more cancel culture than a bunch of SJWs getting on Twitter and saying if game dev does X, they won't buy their game. After all, in both cases this doesn't stop others from buying the game.

 

[GreenAlien]

Sure buddy, a group getting together and saying if game dev does X, they won't buy their game isn't any more cancel culture than a bunch of SJWs getting on Twitter and saying if game dev does X, they won't buy their game. After all, in both cases this doesn't stop others from buying the game

If that was all that SJWs do, we would not call it cancel culture. They do quite a bit more than that.

 

[lock2k]

Nice rationalization. Guess what, if a group of people tell a musician "go trap-pop, go broke". they're clearly telling the musician that if they make a trap-pop album, that group won't buy it. It's a threat, a boycott.


Sure buddy, a group getting together and saying if game dev does X, they won't buy their game isn't any more cancel culture than a bunch of SJWs getting on Twitter and saying if game dev does X, they won't buy their game. After all, in both cases this doesn't stop others from buying the game.

Cancel culture is wanting someone to be fired due to X motive. Hence cancel. Cancel culture is the way of the weak.

Boycotting is a consumer right. You do not have to buy something you don't want to. Do you? If you don't like it, you don't buy it. Simple as that.

One is a rotten orange and the other is an apple.

 

[Geki-D]

Cancel culture is wanting someone to be fired due to X motive. Hence cancel. Cancel culture is the way of the weak.

Boycotting is a consumer right. You do not have to buy something you don't want to. Do you? If you don't like it, you don't buy it. Simple as that.

One is a rotten orange and the other is an apple.

And yet people love to call out these "SJW activists" working on games with the intent that they leave. Neil Druckmann is also often called to leave gaming. Also plenty of people who can't be fired have been victims of cancel culture. Contrapoints is a Youtuber, she can't be fired yet people still tried to cancel her by... You guessed it, calling a boycott on her content.

You're just trying to redefine yourself out of a term.

 

[lock2k]

And yet people love to call out these "SJW activists" working on games with the intent that they leave. Neil Druckmann is also often called to leave gaming. Also plenty of people who can't be fired have been victims of cancel culture. Contrapoints is a Youtuber, she can't be fired yet people still tried to cancel her by... You guessed it, calling a boycott on her content.

You're just trying to redefine yourself out of a term.

But boycotting is legitimate.

You don't have a gun pointed to your head saying "you have to buy X game". You buy if you want to. No cancelling in that. It's just the market speaking.

I love Metallica. I never bought Lulu because Lulu fucking sucks and I boycotted it. Then, they released Hardwired and I bought it.

 

[Geki-D]

But boycotting is legitimate.

You don't have a gun pointed to your head saying "you have to buy X game". You buy if you want to. No cancelling in that. It's just the market speaking.

Okay. I'll be sure to remember this definition the next time a thread appears talking about something being "canceled" but doesn't outright call for someone to be fired. I'll quote your post right here.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I noticed these last few years that there is a lot of threads in forums complaining about sexualization of women in games and i was thinking is there really a lot of games with female sexualization these days? since all the forums complaining about this are western i thought maybe there is a lot of western games also sexualize women in their games since i didn't think all this complaining was just for Japanese games which was made by Japanese developers and their primary target audience is the Japanese gamers so why western gaming forums complain about this unless some western games also sexualize women, so i started to look for these western games.

I remember playing Horizon and all the outfits were covering aloy from head to toe and the most revealing outfit was showing only her midriff so no fanservice in this game, then i remembered another game with a female lead released this year ( Shadow of the Tomb Raider) and there is 34 different outfits in this game so i was sure that at least 3 or 4 of them will be sexy outfits so i watched this video to make sure.



to my surprise there was not a single outfit from the 34 that sexualize Lara, i started reading the comments to see if this is what people want and most of them was like this....

So yeah, the target audience definitely wants sexy outfits but the question here is why western developers dont want to cater to them just like the Japanese devs?

I thought maybe the devs of these AAA games dont want anything sexual in their games since a lot of children play AAA games these days, so i started to look for an AAA game with a male lead also released this year ( PS4 Spider man) and started looking for his outfits and oh boy....

An outfit that is just his underwear, so the western devs of this game dont have anything against sexy outfits so they gave their female gamers a fanservice outfit. so i thought since this is the case than clearly male gamers will get a sexy outfit for one of the female characters in this game specially after Black Cat was announced to be in the game since her comics outfit is sexy.

and Nope.

Covered from head to toe.

So whats going on guys, is there a secret law that forbids showing the female skin in western games that all western devs had to follow or they will be fired? and with 100% of western AAA games with 0% female Sexualization i have to wonder why western gamers in forums and Social media are still complaining about rampant female sexualization in games? im not from the west so i was just wondering whats going on.

Update:

If western gaming companies was really listening to female gamers even games like Call Of Duty will have hot women, here is a well known streamer and a Youtuber asking them



Of course SJWs started to silence her and tell her to go play something else



She even gets harassed by someone working for Insomniac Games because she likes to sculpt and draw sexy women.





Like clockwork SJWs tell her to shut up.



I see this all the time, real women gets harassed and bullied by SJWs for liking sexy outfits in their games, SJWs will only defend virtual women from the male gaze it seems.


Update 2:

Beware female gamers, if you want sexy female characters in games then you will be harassed for days.

So a female artist got harassed and called transphopic by an Insomniac dev because she pointed out that Lady from Devil May Cry 5 looked masculine and that her jaw was wider and she wanted it to be more sexier.



The harassment continued for two days between December 29th, 2018 and December 30th, Eventually Layna became tired of the harassment, which she claims began to invade her DMs, and issued a publicly statement about the incident on December 31st, 2018.



Read more here

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/...like-ladys-design-from-devil-may-cry-5/74445/


Update 3:

Mr. David Jaffe the creator of the God of War franchise shared his opinion about the topic of this thread, its very interesting to see the point of view of a veteran game dev who worked in the video game industry for years, i find his opinion about the exclusion of fanservice from western games in recent years very important , so thank you Mr. Jaffe much appreciated.

At 52:30 mark.

Bunch of hypocritical bozos, meanwhile you go on Instagram and see the hot new trend is "some" women making sure thy have a camel toe showing the lips of their pussies lol

These things should be left to the imagination of the dev and rating boards, not pandering politics and thts that. Trying to appease one group you'll alienate another. Some women don't like to be sexualized others purposely do. This isn't one shoe fits all.

 

[lock2k]

Okay. I'll be sure to remember this definition the next time a thread appears talking about something being "canceled" but doesn't outright call for someone to be fired. I'll quote your post right here.

No problem!

 

[Renozokii]

imagine being a straight male and arguing against sexy chara design for whatever reason...

this shit doens't even need a defense to begin with, we are male and we are pleased by sexy chara design and not because we have to wank on any single female character in any single game, i have deepfake porn with emma watson face or some good ol sexy stepmom stuff starring corey chase for that (or even a shitload of videogames related porns with real actress for the most kinky dudes)

we don't even want sexy character in any game that comes out if that is not appropriate with the tone of the game, no one asked sexy bikini skin for the protagonist of alien isolation or the last of us 2.

even people who cried about jill redesign was most talking about the new outfit being boring as fuck or her face being a little masculine in some instances, in the old desing you don't see uncovered boobs or ass but it's still far more iconic.

do people ever asked for kat in gears 5 to not having her big ass armour and fighting with just a thong? no.
we asked for a more feminine face, just that, because guess what, feminine faces are more pleasant to watch in cutscenes.

people want serious and practical outfits but with a character that doens't have a huge chin and jaw or other masculine traits and maybe some good ass or boobs, why the fuck not? is it impractical to having a nice pair of boobs when you use a fucking shotgun to kill zombies? no it isn't, people with big boobs or asses exist in real life and they have shitty messy jobs, you know?

people who talked shit about aloy in HZD, did that for the supposed stronk woman against evil bad man narrative or her puffy face compared to the real life model, not for lack of ultra-sexy outfits, we know it's silly to have that in semi-realistic dramatic story games, we are not 12 years old.


of course you have some exceptions with some ultra thirsty guys but it's a small percentage (and that's why sexy mods on pc exist), most people just want to enjoy beatiful women in their games, games are fantasy escapism stuff, not real life.

nobody want to see an obese ugly black widow in their marvel movies, same for videogames.

>imagine being a straight male and arguing against sexy chara design for whatever reas

Hi, straight male here. When I want to jerk off I watch porn. When I need female interaction I have my girlfriend. When I want to be immersed in dope worlds I play video games. Considering the vast majority of people on this planet are not hyper sexual 10/10 models, it makes it feel ever slightly more real. So I'm for that. I don't become infatuated with video game characters, so it effects me in 0 ways.

>this shit doens't even need a defense to begin with, we are male and we are pleased by sexy chara design and not because we have to wank on any single female character in any single game, i have deepfake porn with emma watson face or some good ol sexy stepmom stuff starring corey chase for that (or even a shitload of videogames related porns with real actress for the most kinky dudes)

I mean so this just make's it obvious you are no older than 15.. And frankly, the overtly sexualized deigns in older games literally made them cringey to play in front of people. I like to game but I have a gf. I don't retreat to a room for 10 hours alone. She's there. Shit like Jill in RE5 just makes it fucking awkward.

>we don't even want sexy character in any game that comes out if that is not appropriate with the tone of the game, no one asked sexy bikini skin for the protagonist of alien isolation or the last of us 2

Except people DID bitch about a survivor of a mankind extinction level event having some minor muscle definition.

>even people who cried about jill redesign was most talking about the new outfit being boring as fuck or her face being a little masculine in some instances, in the old desing you don't see uncovered boobs or ass but it's still far more iconic.

This shit just makes people like you look stupid. If Jill from REmake3 walked by with some minor make up you'd probably stop and stare. She looks almost exactly like the model they based her off and that model is attractive in every sense of the word. The clothing is another thing all together. It's fairly boring but it has nothing to do with sex appeal. They just put her in generic clothes.

>do people ever asked for kat in gears 5 to not having her big ass armour and fighting with just a thong? no.
we asked for a more feminine face, just that, because guess what, feminine faces are more pleasant to watch in cutscenes.

It's funny in a series of comically oversized buff dudes with thumb heads, the first game with a female protagonist has people crying about her not being pretty enough. No one gives a shit if you think she's pretty. Arguably, you aren't supposed to be attractive. She's a soldier that's gone through the shit a million times over.

>people want serious and practical outfits but with a character that doens't have a huge chin and jaw or other masculine traits and maybe some good ass or boobs, why the fuck not? is it impractical to having a nice pair of boobs when you use a fucking shotgun to kill zombies? no it isn't, people with big boobs or asses exist in real life and they have shitty messy jobs, you know?

I agree some characters are made obviously to look extremely unattractive. And I don't think that's right either. However it's mostly what you people call manly or unattractive, or the broad range of characters and roles that you apply it to is what's cringe. Like calling Jill in REmake 3 manly is just.. absurd? Or complaining about Kat in Gears 5, a character not even remotely supposed to be attractivel.

>of course you have some exceptions with some ultra thirsty guys but it's a small percentage (and that's why sexy mods on pc exist), most people just want to enjoy beatiful women in their games, games are fantasy escapism stuff, not real life.

You are trying to speak for all guys. You don't.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Nice rationalization. Guess what, if a group of people tell a musician "go trap-pop, go broke". they're clearly telling the musician that if they make a trap-pop album, that group won't buy it. It's a threat, a boycott.

I mean, that's simply untrue. Not sure what your goal here is.

Go woke, go broke is an observation. It *can* be a wish, too. But it's not a movement to call for boycott.

When I hope to boycott a game (because of censorship), I say that loud clear. No need for phrases.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Okay. I'll be sure to remember this definition the next time a thread appears talking about something being "canceled" but doesn't outright call for someone to be fired. I'll quote your post right here.

- calls for firing
- calls for changes/censorship
- calls for apologies
- calls for cultural imperialism

That is cancel culture.

 

[lock2k]

>imagine being a straight male and arguing against sexy chara design for whatever reas

Hi, straight male here. When I want to jerk off I watch porn. When I need female interaction I have my girlfriend. When I want to be immersed in dope worlds I play video games. Considering the vast majority of people on this planet are not hyper sexual 10/10 models, it makes it feel ever slightly more real. So I'm for that. I don't become infatuated with video game characters, so it effects me in 0 ways.

>this shit doens't even need a defense to begin with, we are male and we are pleased by sexy chara design and not because we have to wank on any single female character in any single game, i have deepfake porn with emma watson face or some good ol sexy stepmom stuff starring corey chase for that (or even a shitload of videogames related porns with real actress for the most kinky dudes)

I mean so this just make's it obvious you are no older than 15.. And frankly, the overtly sexualized deigns in older games literally made them cringey to play in front of people. I like to game but I have a gf. I don't retreat to a room for 10 hours alone. She's there. Shit like Jill in RE5 just makes it fucking awkward.

>we don't even want sexy character in any game that comes out if that is not appropriate with the tone of the game, no one asked sexy bikini skin for the protagonist of alien isolation or the last of us 2

Except people DID bitch about a survivor of a mankind extinction level event having some minor muscle definition.

>even people who cried about jill redesign was most talking about the new outfit being boring as fuck or her face being a little masculine in some instances, in the old desing you don't see uncovered boobs or ass but it's still far more iconic.

This shit just makes people like you look stupid. If Jill from REmake3 walked by with some minor make up you'd probably stop and stare. She looks almost exactly like the model they based her off and that model is attractive in every sense of the word. The clothing is another thing all together. It's fairly boring but it has nothing to do with sex appeal. They just put her in generic clothes.

>do people ever asked for kat in gears 5 to not having her big ass armour and fighting with just a thong? no.
we asked for a more feminine face, just that, because guess what, feminine faces are more pleasant to watch in cutscenes.

It's funny in a series of comically oversized buff dudes with thumb heads, the first game with a female protagonist has people crying about her not being pretty enough. No one gives a shit if you think she's pretty. Arguably, you aren't supposed to be attractive. She's a soldier that's gone through the shit a million times over.

>people want serious and practical outfits but with a character that doens't have a huge chin and jaw or other masculine traits and maybe some good ass or boobs, why the fuck not? is it impractical to having a nice pair of boobs when you use a fucking shotgun to kill zombies? no it isn't, people with big boobs or asses exist in real life and they have shitty messy jobs, you know?

I agree some characters are made obviously to look extremely unattractive. And I don't think that's right either. However it's mostly what you people call manly or unattractive, or the broad range of characters and roles that you apply it to is what's cringe. Like calling Jill in REmake 3 manly is just.. absurd? Or complaining about Kat in Gears 5, a character not even remotely supposed to be attractivel.

>of course you have some exceptions with some ultra thirsty guys but it's a small percentage (and that's why sexy mods on pc exist), most people just want to enjoy beatiful women in their games, games are fantasy escapism stuff, not real life.

You are trying to speak for all guys. You don't.

I mean so this just make's it obvious you are no older than 15.. And frankly, the overtly sexualized deigns in older games literally made them cringey to play in front of people. I like to game but I have a gf. I don't retreat to a room for 10 hours alone. She's there. Shit like Jill in RE5 just makes it fucking awkward.

If you feel ashamed to play with a sexy character in front of your girlfriend the problem is not the game at all.

Arguably, you aren't supposed to be attractive. She's a soldier that's gone through the shit a million times over.

Says who? If the god of that world (the game's creator) said so, the soldier can be extremely attractive because real world laws do not apply (gaming was cool precisely because it's escapism from the real world - the minute real world logic starts getting in the way it makes the game fucking suck). Imagine if real world laws applied to Pacman - the game would be non-existent.

I agree some characters are made obviously to look extremely unattractive. And I don't think that's right either. However it's mostly what you people call manly or unattractive, or the broad range of characters and roles that you apply it to is what's cringe. Like calling Jill in REmake 3 manly is just.. absurd? Or complaining about Kat in Gears 5, a character not even remotely supposed to be attractivel.

I agree with this part.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Hi, straight male here. When I want to jerk off I watch porn. When I need female interaction I have my girlfriend. When I want to be immersed in dope worlds I play video games. Considering the vast majority of people on this planet are not hyper sexual 10/10 models, it makes it feel ever slightly more real. So I'm for that. I don't become infatuated with video game characters, so it effects me in 0 ways.

1.) People usually don't fap *while* playing games. Sexy girls are nice to look at, that's all.

2.) Immersive games are my #1 favorite type of game. Creating huge, lively worlds, only to deny the existence of anything (straight) sexy ruins immersion as it's unrealistic to not have anything sexy in any world (unless hyper puritanism is the theme). Any good Immersive game has a healthy mix of regular, ugly and sexy characters. JRPGs could definitely feature more ugly women, while western games are in dire need of attractive girls.

3.) People find game characters or drawings sexy. Stop trying to paint what is perfectly normal as 'perverse' or 'hypersexual'. If you can't fap to a game girl, that's only because of your lacking imagination and noone else's fault.

 

[Saber]

Hi, straight male here. When I want to jerk off I watch porn. When I need female interaction I have my girlfriend. When I want to be immersed in dope worlds I play video games. Considering the vast majority of people on this planet are not hyper sexual 10/10 models, it makes it feel ever slightly more real. So I'm for that. I don't become infatuated with video game characters, so it effects me in 0 ways.

Let see if I get this right.
A sexy character in video games equals to watching porn or having sexual relationship with someone? Like, are you serious? How old are you?

I mean so this just make's it obvious you are no older than 15.. And frankly, the overtly sexualized deigns in older games literally made them cringey to play in front of people. I like to game but I have a gf. I don't retreat to a room for 10 hours alone. She's there. Shit like Jill in RE5 just makes it fucking awkward.

Have even cross your mind this is your problem? It's not the devs problem you can't stand the game, its your problem you can stand the game.

Did you go watching heavy violent movies with a kid or someone who can't stand violence and blames the movie?

You have to choose better the games you play in front of your girlfriend. Can't stand cringey ? How about you do some work and find not cringey games?

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

It’s amazing how some people are still using the “you want to fap to digital girls” argument.

Generalizations are useful, but ultimately inconsistent. Nobody wants every video game woman to be sexy. Trying to paint the people who are rightfully pointing out the specialized medias’ (and that certain forum’s) obvious coordinated fight against any and every (female) sexualization in video games with the same brush is not doing you any favors.

I’ll bring another example to the table.
In Xenosaga Episode 1, there’s a scene where the characters go relax on a beach. Some people will immediately go “Aha! An excuse to show the girls in a swimsuit! Classic Japan! Tut tut” at this.
Thing is, the chara design in that game is such that you’d have to have very weird sexual taste to find those models attractive. MOMO especially, doesn’t just look like a child, but she’s an artificial being.
So let’s try and reverse our point of view here. Is it that far-fetched that some characters in a story might want to relax a bit on a beach after all the shit they’ve gone through? And wouldn’t you wear a swimsuit when you go to the beach?
Oh, I know what you’re going to say. “But surely the scene is gratuitous and the story could do without it!” Well, it isn’t. That scene drops an interesting bit of info about Shion. You want a gratuitous scene? Try Parasite Eve 2’s shower scene. I’ll give you that. I’d find it hard to masturbate to that all things considered, but sure.

So the point here is, with the lens people have been using these last few years to scrutinize video games, somebody would probably ask that that scene in Xenosaga 1 be removed in a remaster. What’s hilarious is that that scene is hardly titillating. All the characters in the game, male and female alike, are much more interesting in their everyday outfit, because that’s their real design. They don’t look sexy in swimsuits - just awkward.

Ironically enough, it wasn’t the swimsuit scene that ruined Shion’s design. It’s the way they redesigned the character in Episode 2. Shion goes home and suddenly she’s dressing all sexy and her glasses have disappeared.
I hear you. “Why, she can relax on the beach in a swimsuit but she can’t dress sexy?” Eh, of course she can. But her new design clashes with everything we learned about Shion in Episode 1. Her new design makes no sense because the character never showed she’d be interested in looking like that during a whole, long part of the story. So yeah, how about this? The swimsuits in Xenosaga aren’t pandering to the lusty males; a full dress that barely shows any skin is. It’s quite clear why the design was changed between episodes.

As you can see, this goes deeper than just T ‘n A, and “pandering” is more nuanced than the simple “cleavage = bad” equation that the modern video game media can’t stop screeching about.

we need more sexy content, not less. especially considering the age of gamers is going up. it is part of life. it will find it's way into games regardless.

im not saying we need to force creators to make only sexy content, but im saying we need to not force them to not make it.

I’m not sure about the bolded. I mean, we don’t need it. Not if it’s gratuitous, tasteless, and exaggerated. Some Fire Emblem designs are just silly. So is stuff like chain “armor” in RPGs.

What we need is designers to stop being afraid of giving digital women a pretty face or a perfectly realistic bust size just because someone thinks it shouldn’t be done. Characters like Aloy from Horizon or Jill from RE3R have clearly had a face redesign compared to their real-life models, and not to make them prettier. They’re still good-looking, mind. But the intention there is clear as day. Someone should explain why a video game character has to be designed so as not to be “distracting”, while film and TV are still perfectly happy with having stupidly good-looking men and women front and center.

Oh, and one word about Jill’s redesign. Like I mentioned in my previous post, we have different expectations for character design in fictional art compared to live-action. Even Marvel joked about the ludicrousness of superhero outfits in Thor. As superhero movies became less cartoony and more realistic, the heroes’ designs started sticking out like so many sore thumbs. There’s a reason Tim Burton’s Batman movies were so cartoony, and there’s a reason Nolan went for a darker look for his Batman trilogy. I simply cannot take the Avengers seriously. Their designs are too distracting, they clash too much with the setting. Superhero comic books worked because they’re cartoony. But put Spiderman in real life, and suddenly any sane person, and even some insane ones, are all J. Jonah Jameson. Real life has rules. Halloween and carnivals around the world come once a year precisely for this reason.

So as Resident Evil games have become much more realistic, Jill’s original design would not work as well anymore. It worked in the original because PSOne graphics were so far from realistic. Character design, and dressing especially, is extremely important in stylized representations. But when you go for all-out realism... well, like I said, real life has rules, and different expectations.

 

[Danjin44]

The biggest point about this thread is Japanese developers still make both sexy designs and non-sexy design in their games....

Meanwhile Western developers completely abandon making sexy design in their game and even in their less realistic games, only thing we get is punk style female designs like this...

 

[Havoc2049]

I mean so this just make's it obvious you are no older than 15.. And frankly, the overtly sexualized deigns in older games literally made them cringey to play in front of people. I like to game but I have a gf. I don't retreat to a room for 10 hours alone. She's there. Shit like Jill in RE5 just makes it fucking awkward.

That sucks it's an awkward situation for you. Back in the day, my girlfriend bought me Resident Evil Code: Veronica for my birthday. She used to enjoy watching me play it.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

That sucks it's an awkward situation for you. Back in the day, my girlfriend bought me Resident Evil Code: Veronica for my birthday. She used to enjoy watching me play it.

That's not Code Veronica, lol

 

[GymWolf]

>imagine being a straight male and arguing against sexy chara design for whatever reas

Hi, straight male here. When I want to jerk off I watch porn. When I need female interaction I have my girlfriend. When I want to be immersed in dope worlds I play video games. Considering the vast majority of people on this planet are not hyper sexual 10/10 models, it makes it feel ever slightly more real. So I'm for that. I don't become infatuated with video game characters, so it effects me in 0 ways.

>this shit doens't even need a defense to begin with, we are male and we are pleased by sexy chara design and not because we have to wank on any single female character in any single game, i have deepfake porn with emma watson face or some good ol sexy stepmom stuff starring corey chase for that (or even a shitload of videogames related porns with real actress for the most kinky dudes)

I mean so this just make's it obvious you are no older than 15.. And frankly, the overtly sexualized deigns in older games literally made them cringey to play in front of people. I like to game but I have a gf. I don't retreat to a room for 10 hours alone. She's there. Shit like Jill in RE5 just makes it fucking awkward.

>we don't even want sexy character in any game that comes out if that is not appropriate with the tone of the game, no one asked sexy bikini skin for the protagonist of alien isolation or the last of us 2

Except people DID bitch about a survivor of a mankind extinction level event having some minor muscle definition.

>even people who cried about jill redesign was most talking about the new outfit being boring as fuck or her face being a little masculine in some instances, in the old desing you don't see uncovered boobs or ass but it's still far more iconic.

This shit just makes people like you look stupid. If Jill from REmake3 walked by with some minor make up you'd probably stop and stare. She looks almost exactly like the model they based her off and that model is attractive in every sense of the word. The clothing is another thing all together. It's fairly boring but it has nothing to do with sex appeal. They just put her in generic clothes.

>do people ever asked for kat in gears 5 to not having her big ass armour and fighting with just a thong? no.
we asked for a more feminine face, just that, because guess what, feminine faces are more pleasant to watch in cutscenes.

It's funny in a series of comically oversized buff dudes with thumb heads, the first game with a female protagonist has people crying about her not being pretty enough. No one gives a shit if you think she's pretty. Arguably, you aren't supposed to be attractive. She's a soldier that's gone through the shit a million times over.

>people want serious and practical outfits but with a character that doens't have a huge chin and jaw or other masculine traits and maybe some good ass or boobs, why the fuck not? is it impractical to having a nice pair of boobs when you use a fucking shotgun to kill zombies? no it isn't, people with big boobs or asses exist in real life and they have shitty messy jobs, you know?

I agree some characters are made obviously to look extremely unattractive. And I don't think that's right either. However it's mostly what you people call manly or unattractive, or the broad range of characters and roles that you apply it to is what's cringe. Like calling Jill in REmake 3 manly is just.. absurd? Or complaining about Kat in Gears 5, a character not even remotely supposed to be attractivel.

>of course you have some exceptions with some ultra thirsty guys but it's a small percentage (and that's why sexy mods on pc exist), most people just want to enjoy beatiful women in their games, games are fantasy escapism stuff, not real life.

You are trying to speak for all guys. You don't.

dude you take this stuff a little bit more serious than it has to be, also the one who probably is 15 here is the guy who don't even understand a joke about favourite porns (i make jokes in 95% of my posts) while having the needs to say in a videogame forum that he has a girlfirend multiple times in a post
also you are looking to a guy that in this gen only has goty games with not -sexualized women protagonist (or any at all) to begin with, horizon, yakuza 0 dishonored 1-2, rdr2, gow etc, if you think i care more than a little about sexy chara you really are bashing at the wrong door.
i just don't like screaming PIGS to every guy that enjoy some fanservice.



i don't give a fuck about videogames being childish in front of other people, they are fucking videogames ffs, not having sexy character is not gonna change what people think about videogames, not now, not never, and you are fool if yout think otherwise.


do you feel second hand embarassment or the need to cringe every time you watch a film in blue ray or at cinema with someone around you when there is unnecessary fanservice with sexy costumes or some naked women? gimme a fucking break and gtfo with your supposed (and probably fake) high moral ground narrative, you only make people in here cringe more than any boobs or asses in videogames with your pathetic attack to people who enjoy some skin or more feminine characters in their fantasy videogames.

your are not gonna earn any virtue point around here my dude, this is the wrong forum

 

[Saber]

That sucks it's an awkward situation for you. Back in the day, my girlfriend bought me Resident Evil Code: Veronica for my birthday. She used to enjoy watching me play it.

Isn't that RE4 though?

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Considering the vast majority of people on this planet are not hyper sexual 10/10 models, it makes it feel ever slightly more real.

oh you play games for reality? me, i play games to experience something unreal. fantasy.

when i die, it isn't like real life, where i stay dead forever. i can come back. i can take a million gunshots. i can heal myself by eating a bag of potato chips in 1 second. i can swing a 7 foot long sword with no issue. i can double jump. i can throw fire balls. i can fall to my death and then magically reappear on the cliff that i just fell from. i can explore fantastic landscapes that have never existed and never will exist. there are like a zillion things i can do in fantasy that i can't do in real life. seems weird to suddenly draw a line at looking at hot women. something i do every day in real life is now off limits? hmm...

 

[xiseerht]

I remember watching Tara Babecock on youtube say something along the lines of " It sucks that you can't see women in games with big boobs anymore , I have big boobs and now the media makes be feel like I am a bad guy because I have big boobs"

 

[LordKasual]

Why people always assume you must be “horny” to like sexy design? So we are only allowed to like ugly ass character designs?

Probably because it's a really strange thing to get upset about, especially in response to a brand new game.

Dudes will literally see a chick, notice that she's not pretty, and instantly cop an attitude. The developers are "SJWs" or "tryhard progressive" just because their design doesn't get their dicks hard. Does EVERY chick you see have to be gorgeous for the game to be "normal"? It's weird, in fact it's so weird that designing a non-overtly attractive female is automatically SJW "Woke" now.

Just look at Lady from DMC5....they gave her a fucking gorgeous facial model, she ass out naked in multiple scenes, in one she's naked and drenched in white goo. But before anyone played the game, you already had people complaining that the developers "nerfed" her because she isn't in a "feminine" outfit.

People were crying about Tifa in FF7R before AND after showing her.....her fucking breasts are exploding out of her outfit and we seriously had articles talking about how they "nerfed" her chest....

 

[GymWolf]

That sucks it's an awkward situation for you. Back in the day, my girlfriend bought me Resident Evil Code: Veronica for my birthday. She used to enjoy watching me play it.

the seller tricked you, that is re4 with claire in it, probably a pc mod

 

[Fnord]

There are many examples of publishers/developers changing their games due to authoritarian femcels harassing them by organizing an outrage campain on social media, usually spearheaded by Kotaku, polygon, Eurogamer, Waypoint and, of course, Resetera.

It's why I'm thankful that guys like Yoko Taro exist who ignore the #scaryboobs crowd and do what they want.

I'm tired of all of the nonsense as well. It has completely destroyed at least one industry (comics) and will probably destroy more before things are done. But... I also blame this on the artists/companies involved. At some point, more artists/companies are going to have to stand up to the extremely vocal, extreme minority that complains about things like sexy women in art. When they bend the knee, they become the problem. Commercial art is always a balancing act between artistic integrity and commercial viability. But art will also always offend SOMEone. You can't sustain a vibrant business in the art field by catering to a small minority of offended people.

 

[Patterson]

In western games you can blast somebody in the face with a shotgun, no one bats an eyelash.
Show a one second panty shot - everyone loses their shit.
Its crazy..

 

[Havoc2049]

the seller tricked you, that is re4 with claire in it, probably a pc mod

Damnit! I thought it was Code: Veronica X HD or something. I knew it wasn't Code: Veronica on the Dreamcast (which is what my girlfriend bought me back in the day) but my google-fu was failing me and I was having a hard time finding an in-game sexy pic of Claire on the Dreamcast.

 

[Gediminas]

I'm tired of all of the nonsense as well. It has completely destroyed at least one industry (comics) and will probably destroy more before things are done. But... I also blame this on the artists/companies involved. At some point, more artists/companies are going to have to stand up to the extremely vocal, extreme minority that complains about things like sexy women in art. When they bend the knee, they become the problem. Commercial art is always a balancing act between artistic integrity and commercial viability. But art will also always offend SOMEone. You can't sustain a vibrant business in the art field by catering to a small minority of offended people.

they pretty much destroyed holiwood also, look at their films, they counting tens of millions in losses, their woke films tanked huge. comedy is counting heavy losses too.

 

[Bigrx1]

 

[GymWolf]

sigrun was a great character tho, and with an hilarious va.

 

[Woopah]

That's a lot of interesting examples! Thanks.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Does EVERY chick you see have to be gorgeous for the game to be "normal"?

The reality right now is that 'EVERY chick is ugly' in western games. Even jrpgs have some ugly women, but western games have entirely forsaken sexy girls. Your attempt at reversimg the complaint dails, because it's simply not what's happening.

It's weird, in fact it's so weird that designing a non-overtly attractive female is automatically SJW "Woke" now.

Said nobody.

People were crying about Tifa in FF7R before AND after showing her.....her fucking breasts are exploding out of her outfit and we seriously had articles talking about how they "nerfed" her chest....

You're twisting reality again, openly lying: The (valid) outrage was directed at Square Enix admittimg via Twitter that their internal 'ethics committee' decided that Tifa's boobs ought to be smaller and that she should wear a sports bra. That was so ridiculous that it caused criticism.

 

[BusierDonkey]

The biggest point about this thread is Japanese developers still make both sexy designs and non-sexy design in their games....

Meanwhile Western developers completely abandon making sexy design in their game and even in their less realistic games, only thing we get is punk style female designs like this...

Not to mention the female characters in modern western games usually have completely unbearable attitudes to go with their shitty look. The look is only part of the problem.

It's all thanks to shitty writers, writing their own fantasy selves into games. They are not interesting or creative people and the characters they create aren't either. It seems to be some sort of crusade in the industry to destroy all the old actual strong female characters only to replace them with the dumpy indecisive "strong woman" characters that have been infesting modern games over the last decade. These new characters do nothing that makes them seem "strong" or "fierce", but they make sure to mention how strong and fierce they are at every opportunity.

Borderlands is a great example of a series that has been infested with shitty new female characters while they ignored or outright destroyed established characters. Spoilers ahead.

- Lilith was a tough chick that wrecked shit in BL1 as the first playable siren. She was fleshed out in BL2, but in BL3 was reduced to a sideline-sitter. She's worthless throughout the entire game, at one point getting verbally bitch slapped by the new annoying teen character without a word in defence. Then at the end she saves everyone and the girl power anthem plays while your character that did all the work is nowhere to be seen.

- Maya, who was another badass Siren, gets nerfed into a nun or some shit. Then they threw in a scene which was literally Maya playing a girl power anthem on the car radio in one of the many awful scripted vehicle sections. Then they just went ahead and had her character killed by one of the wimpiest antagonist characters in the series like a bitch.

- Tina is an adult now, and has even less character behind her than she did in BL2. She was a kid who was severely traumatized. Now she's just soooo zany! OMG right? Huge missed opportunity to have some character growth.

- Athena, well there's just no sign of Athena, the Atlas assassin that nearly killed both Brick and Mordecai before being captured. Apparently she's the wrong kind of strong woman for the modern Gearbox.

- Amara, queen of Wakanda or whatever they renamed it for the game. Absolutely NO character development throughout the game from the audio logs. She's a stronk wamen. Look at those muscles. The End.

- Moze has no character. Much like Axton (also MIA) before her she's basically a generic soldier. Unlike Axton who was void of any personality like the typical soldier he was, Moze makes sure to mention she's a badass chick all the time.

- Lorelei - Danger haired "badass" who exists only to tell you to get her some coffee because she really needs her coffee LOLOLOLOLOLOL LMAO ROTFL. Fucking kill me... talk about writing your own life into a character. "I used to be a barista, maybe this soldier character I'm making can be one too!"

- Tyreen is one of the most insufferable "villains" in any game ever. A YouTuber? Whoever wrote this character was clearly fleshing out their own hopes and dreams into the game. She's literally an ungrateful little twat with daddy issues that's impossible to see as anything but an annoying little shit. She's humorless and empty as a character. For comparison in BL2 Handsome Jack had a believable turn to becoming a tyrant, and was written in a way that even though he was a cocky asshole, he was a hilarious one that deserved to be cocky. Her entire story is "ME! ME! ME!" which only got more pathetic as the game dragged on.

- Ava is among the most unlikeable, dumb as a stump bratty teenager characters ever written into a game. She's just the worst. Then they give her Maya's siren powers as if that makes her a hero. Just fuck off with that shit.

In their crusade to infuse western games with "girl power" or whatever the fuck they're doing, they've actually destroyed a lot of characters that were already great examples of strong independent female characters while not introducing a single worthwhile new female character.

That's just ONE game series. There are many more that have undergone the same fate. Tomb Raider has seen Lara go from an actual strong independent archeologist character who happened to be hot to an indecisive murder machine that seems to just destroy every artifact site she finds while murdering the entire local population. Samus Aran went from a one woman army that took out an entire space pirate organization single handedly to a whiny indecisive little girl with daddy issues. Cortana in Halo went from a strong, brave quick-witted AI in Halo 1-3 to a scared little girl prone to tantrums when Bonnie Ross took the helm, eventually becoming a completely unlikeable nonsensical turd of a character in Halo 5.

Playing Japanese RPGs after a Western game is usually a breath of fresh air with much better, stronger and deeper female characters. The fact that they tend to look good seems to embarrass people, which is kind of weird. If you're afraid to play a game because you think someone will judge you for it, just stop doing anything because people are always judging you. May as well be doing something you are enjoying while they waste their time worrying about your choices.

Take Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for example, this is a game that people who haven't played point at as an example of over sexualised character designs. You have Mythra/Pyra who appears to be a titty monster piece of eye candy. 100 hours into the game and you actually care about her. She and the other blades were born from the mind of a single man trying to rebuild the world after a cataclysmic event, given unimaginable power to control ancient machines of war and in a moment of anger destroyed an entire nation, causing the deaths of both her friends and innocents, causing her to fracture her personality and disappear for centuries. You actually feel bad for her situation because her story is well crafted and her character has actual depth. Nia is a standoffish bitch, but you discover she was chased her whole life for being an abomination of nature as a "flesh eater". As the game goes on you see what happened that caused this and why she became this way. Brighid is another "waifu" blade that gets shit from the internet, but again has actual meat to her character, keeping a journal so that every time she gets reset, she can see who she used to be so she doesn't lose herself.

Once you actually get into the story, you don't even look at the female blades as fap material. They are for the most part well written characters with interesting backstories. But like most things people don't actually look deep enough into something to see their outrage over it is just as shallow as their knowledge of the subject they're outraged over.

 

[Doom85]

The biggest point about this thread is Japanese developers still make both sexy designs and non-sexy design in their games....

Meanwhile Western developers completely abandon making sexy design in their game and even in their less realistic games, only thing we get is punk style female designs like this...

WHOA, hey now, I think Tyreen's pretty hot, the problem is her dialogue is absolute garbage.

(and I personally find Lady Maria so cool on such a massive level that it makes her sexy for me. Same thing happened with Satsuki from Kill la Kill. First episode: She's kind of got that handsome woman sort of look. Cool, but not for me. Last episode: DO ME!!!!!)

Also, I'd like to point out I've looked at "fanart" of most of the Overwatch girls than any other game franchise (Resident Evil might come close but pretty sure Overwatch wins). If Sombra, Brigitte, Mercy, Pharah, young Ana, D.Va, Symettra, etc. aren't hot, then I don't know what (and don't really care) what today's "hot" standards are.

 

[Doom85]

In western games you can blast somebody in the face with a shotgun, no one bats an eyelash.
Show a one second panty shot - everyone loses their shit.
Its crazy..

But then you flip it and in Japan a lot of western games' violence gets censored. Just so you know, the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Take Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for example, this is a game that people who haven't played point at as an example of over sexualised character designs. You have Mythra/Pyra who appears to be a titty monster piece of eye candy. 100 hours into the game and you actually care about her. She and the other blades were born from the mind of a single man trying to rebuild the world after a cataclysmic event, given unimaginable power to control ancient machines of war and in a moment of anger destroyed an entire nation, causing the deaths of both her friends and innocents, causing her to fracture her personality and disappear for centuries. You actually feel bad for her situation because her story is well crafted and her character has actual depth. Nia is a standoffish bitch, but you discover she was chased her whole life for being an abomination of nature as a "flesh eater". As the game goes on you see what happened that caused this and why she became this way. Brighid is another "waifu" blade that gets shit from the internet, but again has actual meat to her character, keeping a journal so that every time she gets reset, she can see who she used to be so she doesn't lose herself.

Clearly would have been even better if the girls were ugly.