XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
When things really get busy, this is probably the last thing on anyone's mind.hey_it's_that_dog said:
And as expected, the thread's become a battle of anecdotal evidence. Whee!
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It only delays: the frustrations of Sony's PS3 firmware
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And as expected, the thread's become a battle of anecdotal evidence. Whee!
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
XiaNaphryz said:
Probably, but gaming isn't instantaneous anymore on any console. We have to live with that, and while Sony's system obviously has its problems, people can deal with it with minor changes in their behavior. Or they can flip out or just never turn on their 300-600 dollar console out of protest.
I know if I checked the blog, I'd have no idea what firmware I have to even know it's outdated. But no one should be expected to check that shit anywayhey_it's_that_dog said:
Since it takes so damn long they need to just streamline the process. Just like how windows can be set to download updates automatically, this should have a setting to do the same. At 3 am wake up from sleep and download updates. No more asking to install... If I downloaded it of course I want to install it doesn't make any damn sense to ask me that.
Acheteedo
Member
If you don't regularly play your PS3 then the various downloads and installs awaiting you are a significant issue. I still have Yakuza 3 and God of War 3 lying unopened next to my PS3 because i know i can't just jump into the game. I have a very fast connection. This is not an issue on the 360.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Or they can complain and hope it's addressed in the future. Life is all about choices.hey_it's_that_dog said:
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I think most people agree this solution works. If there's a firmware update or I'm getting a large demo or game, I always let it download overnight before I head to bed. It's still not an ideal solution, which is what many people are saying in the thread.luka said:
This is GAF, your only choices are to pick a side remember? If you're not on one side, you default to the opposing one even if you didn't choose it explicitly. ;PSegata Sanshiro said:
They should really stream line some of the console/software maintenance stuff. Have background downloading/installing for updates/patches so people can do something in the meantime: listen to music, play something offline, watch a movie, etc. Prompt me when the stuff is done. Having those downloads in the foreground cock blocking any fun isn't very smart.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
A while ago I wanted to play LBP again with my girlfriend after a year or so of not playing it, popped it in and what happened? 1.5gb of updates were needed to be downloaded before we could play it. No thanks.
Horrible, horrible design and Sony needs to learn from it. No update on my 360 or Wii take longer than 30 seconds.
Horrible, horrible design and Sony needs to learn from it. No update on my 360 or Wii take longer than 30 seconds.
<looks at PS3>
Eh, no real complaints. Firmware is something like four times a year? No big deal. Game updates? No biggie really. Thanks for updating said game. Appreciate it.
If you're having real issues with downloads upon downloads, it sounds like its because you don't play the system enough (or you're going back to games you haven't played in months/years). If you don't play the system enough, just get rid of it and safe yourself the "hassles."
Could it be improved? Sure. All of the networks could. Big deal? Nah. Those who think so remind me of John Davison who must only turn his PS3 on once a year to play 3 year old games.
The LBP example above is a good one. A game that receives tons of updates. You haven't played it in a year. Did you think there wouldn't be updates? Just unplug the cat cable and play if you got beef with a company actually supporting their games.
Eh, no real complaints. Firmware is something like four times a year? No big deal. Game updates? No biggie really. Thanks for updating said game. Appreciate it.
If you're having real issues with downloads upon downloads, it sounds like its because you don't play the system enough (or you're going back to games you haven't played in months/years). If you don't play the system enough, just get rid of it and safe yourself the "hassles."
Could it be improved? Sure. All of the networks could. Big deal? Nah. Those who think so remind me of John Davison who must only turn his PS3 on once a year to play 3 year old games.
The LBP example above is a good one. A game that receives tons of updates. You haven't played it in a year. Did you think there wouldn't be updates? Just unplug the cat cable and play if you got beef with a company actually supporting their games.
I have never been a fan of the ps3 firmware and game update regime. My problems are pretty much that:
a) Each FW update is the same size (150MB or so)
b) It takes a long time on my connection - inconvenience
c) FW updates are far too frequent and have too little in the way of features
d) Many features I personally find useless (home, vidzone, removal of linux, facebook, game ratings)
e) Individual game updates are too big (often over 300MB)
Contrast that with wii (no updates ever, except for system updates) and 360 (which takes 1 minute tops, even for NXE). Or at least a fraction of the time of PS3. Plus 360 game updates are tiny and fast.
Its just a frequent and significant inconvenience to me to have to continually update PS3 and PS3 game fw/sw.
I do like iview though. That was worth the update it came with.
I would be happier if the game updates were small (sub-10MB) and firmware updates included features other than stability/security fixes with no apparent consequence. And no more frequent than once every 4 months.
a) Each FW update is the same size (150MB or so)
b) It takes a long time on my connection - inconvenience
c) FW updates are far too frequent and have too little in the way of features
d) Many features I personally find useless (home, vidzone, removal of linux, facebook, game ratings)
e) Individual game updates are too big (often over 300MB)
Contrast that with wii (no updates ever, except for system updates) and 360 (which takes 1 minute tops, even for NXE). Or at least a fraction of the time of PS3. Plus 360 game updates are tiny and fast.
Its just a frequent and significant inconvenience to me to have to continually update PS3 and PS3 game fw/sw.
I do like iview though. That was worth the update it came with.
I would be happier if the game updates were small (sub-10MB) and firmware updates included features other than stability/security fixes with no apparent consequence. And no more frequent than once every 4 months.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
There shouldn't be THAT much updates, because it killed my enthusiasm to play it that night. Even with my fast connection that would take half an hour, at least, to download.Kintaro said:
Implying it's my fault for not playing the console enough is ridiculous. :lol I can not play a 360 or Wii game for just as long and not have to suffer the prospect of downloading over 1gb just to play the game online. It's good MM support their game, but there should be a way of implimenting updates so that they download as quickly as they do on rival consoles.
WEGGLES said:
Because the Xbox 360 system of patching basically means that they're patch rentals, not downloads. Not saying it will happen, but something could happen where a patch that you had a year or so ago is no longer available, and you're reverted back to an older version of the game. As well, Microsoft's limits on what patches can and can't be not only control how many times a game can be patched, but what can be included in them. For example, on the PS3, games have gotten new items added to a game via a patch, where a similar action on the 360 side would only be possible as DLC... which, as we all know, MS doesn't allow to come for free except for rare exceptions.
Microsoft traded actual flexibility in patches for having them download quickly. I'd much rather spend a few minutes downloading a patch - something that won't kill me - to actually have the patch a few years from now when I turn on my PS3, and to have them be able to include more actual patching.
SiteSeer
Member
let me guess, the article was written by ben kuchera.
yup.
i only had to see the hyperlink pointing to arstechnica to figure that out. this guy has been trolling sony day-one since the ps3. i've read a handful of his articles on sony and he's never really said anything good for them, always some complaining or backhanded remark about sony or playstation. i'd say he's a fanboy trying desperately not to appear so, were it not for his dry, mechanically written articles.
ben kuchera is like the dan brown of sony trolling.
yup.
i only had to see the hyperlink pointing to arstechnica to figure that out. this guy has been trolling sony day-one since the ps3. i've read a handful of his articles on sony and he's never really said anything good for them, always some complaining or backhanded remark about sony or playstation. i'd say he's a fanboy trying desperately not to appear so, were it not for his dry, mechanically written articles.
ben kuchera is like the dan brown of sony trolling.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
And not play it online; the whole point of the game post single player completion?
Great solution.
Great solution.
Foliorum Viridum said:
Considering how much support LBP has gotten since it's launch, 1.5GB is normal. Especially when you take the levelpacks they released over the years into consideration and the fact that you can play levels that were created with paid DLC, without actually buying the DLC.
Imagine yourself on the couch, trying to play a level and the message "This user-created level requires you to buy Levelkit #2, would you like to purchase it now?" pops up. Or they can install a filter that blocks out all levels with DLC you don't own, which will result in only 2 or 3 levels showing up and making you think the community is dead.
Overall, LBP is an exception concerning updates in my experience. I recently popped in Buzz after a year's worth of not playing and it downloaded a 30MB patch.
Seriously, I think the game-updates are what Sony did right this generation, compared to the systemupdates. For a game-update, you only download what you don't yet have, while system-updates are full updates. And if it bothers you that much, get PSN+ so game-updates are installed automatically.
SiteSeer said:
I dont know who he is, nor do I know the names of any trolls for/against any particular system. But just because people are often anti-corproation x/y/z does not mean there isnt an element of truth in their grievances. In this case, there is a cause for concern in the hope sony fix their patching/fw system for future consoles. That is not unreasonable, agreed?
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
The fact that they are single player games which you can easily avoid updates with makes that even worse.njean777 said:
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
You can't play user created levels without it connected to the net.Kintaro said:
Maybe it is, but it's still unfortunate. I hope LBP2 structures the updates a bit differently so that beyond the launch of the game when I don't play it religiously every day I don't have to suffer such a backlog of updates.
Foliorum Viridum said:You can't play user created levels without it connected to the net.
Maybe it is, but it's still unfortunate. I hope LBP2 structures the updates a bit differently so that beyond the launch of the game when I don't play it religiously every day I don't have to suffer such a backlog of updates.
How would they accomplish this exactly? If you have to play online, you have to match up with everyone's version. Which means updates.
Updates, don't take that long for me. They used to take about 15 mins on my old ISP but now updates are down in a few mins tops. 360 updates are lightning quick though.
The only real problem I have is downloading a game/demo and then having to install after download.
There is room for improvement for sure, but things have gotten so much better since 2007(Europe) that moaning about it now seems rather pointless.
The only real problem I have is downloading a game/demo and then having to install after download.
There is room for improvement for sure, but things have gotten so much better since 2007(Europe) that moaning about it now seems rather pointless.
Hunahan said:
Oooorrrr...it's a non-issue for them because it's actually pretty infrequent and not really that slow at all. (I feel for those claiming hour-long download times though)
No one is denying that there isn't much room for improvement, but the amount of vitriolic hyperbole in that article wasn't worthy of being pushed by a site like Ars. "Why does it feel like I'm being punished every time I try to play a game on my PlayStation 3?" Seriously.
What a funny article :lol Sure patching can be a pain, but no fucking way is putting 30+ minuets in front of your play session to download patches/install games a "common" occurrence (unless you happen to be like the writer of the article, someone who it seems only uses their PS3 when they are forced to). And saying downloading a game took an hour compared to minuets? I get the same speed from Steam, PSN, and XBL. Only difference is I normally just grab my downloads every Tuesday from PSN and then go to system shutdown and let that install all them for me.
A legitimate gripe about PSN is background downloading and how anything you are downloading seems to stop the instant you enter a game (even for just single player stuff) but then again I run into the same thing on XBL and Steam. I don't need my entire pipe for any multiplayer stuff, keep downloading!!!!!
A legitimate gripe about PSN is background downloading and how anything you are downloading seems to stop the instant you enter a game (even for just single player stuff) but then again I run into the same thing on XBL and Steam. I don't need my entire pipe for any multiplayer stuff, keep downloading!!!!!
The thing is, it wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't so much better on the 360.
Does anyone know what the magic 360 update power voodoo is?
I am console neutral when I ask: why is Microsoft so good at this, and Sony so bad at it? That's the real question.
Does anyone know what the magic 360 update power voodoo is?
- Do they download system/game updates while the system is turned off?
- Do they only download diff-level patches, not full binaries?
- How is in the matter of 5 to 10 seconds?
I am console neutral when I ask: why is Microsoft so good at this, and Sony so bad at it? That's the real question.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Because Microsoft patented their method so other people couldn't do it.cabel said:
By only letting you play areas only with content you have.Kintaro said:
The thigns you don't have either appear grayed-out, or like in other games/console, appear in their default looks (i.e. a plain Sackboy, instead of a plain Sackboy with a Pirates of the Caribbean hat).
There's no such thing.cabel said:
Basically updates on the 360 download the necessary patches/updates/fixes (and have a 5MB limit), while the ones in PS3 games in most cases download everything even if you don't own it; just so you can see others using said items/stages/etc. online.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I'll just chime in and say, yes, for me, it takes a really damn long time. And yes, it's a huge annoyance.
Usually by the time it's finished updating, I have moved on to something else, anyway.
Usually by the time it's finished updating, I have moved on to something else, anyway.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I remember there being a patent for the installation method, but the download sizes are because there is a restriction on patch sizes which makes them a bit less flexible since they get cleared out after you download a certain number of other patches for other games.cabel said:
Those of us who own a 360 and a PS3 and game regularly on both will have a hard time disagreeing with the Ars Technica article. When I turn on a console, it's because I want to play a game. I don't care if a ten-minute wait for firmware upgrade is "measly" for you; it's still ten minutes that I could be playing a game on 360 (which is many times the same title). And when we add mandatory installation times... well... let's just say only the most deluded of fanboys can defend it.
No need to segment completely.Kintaro said:
Like why a person needs to download every DLC on LittleBigPlanet, just to play with a friend online, on the default stages; only because he's using a Ryu costume from Street Fighter.
Or let the person download what he wants.
Like patches to fix should be mandatory, but entire packs of DLC should be optional and by choice. So if a friend says "Hey, come see me playing this stage", then let me download the stuff that that stage has, not the entire packs.
I own both and I strongly disagree with the article. My 360 sees more 'mandatory' installs anyways, can't imagine playing without installing to my hard drive. Only problem is I only have a 20GB drive, so I can fit a single game on there will all my XBLA games as well. I don't mind the small inconvenience up front though, installing the DVD takes maybe 10 minuets and makes the entire time I spend playing that game a better experience due to the reduced noise and load time. I can see people being angry if they are only wanting to play RIGHT then and there for 10 minuets, but in the long run the time spent patching/installing is a fraction of the total time spent with that game, and that patching/installing makes the rest of the time you spend with that game better.seat said:
Ninja Moomin
Banned
PSN plus auto-downloading FTW.
I never have to think of this any more.
However the only time i've ever found it annoying is when you go back to an old game and it has several patches to DL and install in sequence.
Usually it's quick and relatively painless.
I never have to think of this any more.
However the only time i've ever found it annoying is when you go back to an old game and it has several patches to DL and install in sequence.
Usually it's quick and relatively painless.
fernoca said:
This is a very important point.
In talking about this before, I brought up an example that I can't remember specifically now, but basically, it worked like this: on the Xbox 360 version of a game, you couldn't see other players with specific new character models unless you bought them, because patches aren't allowed to be big enough to include such things. On the PS3 version of the same game, you could see those new character models, even if you didn't own the DLC, because they were included in the patch.
So, again, one of many reasons I'll put up with the bit of hassle (though it isn't such a thing) the PS3 patch system gives.