The Faceless Master
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wasn't the issue that they couldn't update?ShapeGSX said:
hey, if you count 3.15 being made mandatory, then there were SIX UPDATES THIS YEAR!!! :lol :lol :lol
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It only delays: the frustrations of Sony's PS3 firmware
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hey, if you count 3.15 being made mandatory, then there were SIX UPDATES THIS YEAR!!! :lol :lol :lol
I think you're splitting hairs there. I was aware of the updated 3.41, but it's not required. I downloaded the original 3.41 when it first came out and didn't have any problems with it and never needed to install the new one. I can still play online and do everything else fine with no issue.ShapeGSX said:
The 'installation' (which is probably just decompression) is likely there on 360 and Wii, but just obscured to look like part of the downloading process. If the PS3 could install in the background I don't think anyone would have a problem with the installations.Aeana said:
Likewise, it'd be nice if there were a quick way to check for updates for both all games that you have save data for and games that you've played in the last x days/weeks and could download and install them right from the XMB.
The Faceless Master
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yeah, people are probably used to the Xbox 360 where the thing downloads and then works. even with the original Xbox, game updates just downloaded and worked. oh yeah, and the Wii and DSi.j-wood said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
j-wood said:
errr no
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Stumpokapow said:
Then do you know how it 'works'? ...I'm curious about this myself.
The Faceless Master
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you can use USB memory on 360 now, and it works.j-wood said:
DangerousDave
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Neuromancer said:
At least you don't have to look for the correct update of your graphic card.
Console is still much more streamlined than PC. But if you want to have some multimedia and online features in a console, you'll have to pay the price of not being so streamlined than the PS2 or SNES.
The Faceless Master
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what is there to understand? a game/demo/dlc content package is downloaded. then you can run it.Assembly Required said:
The Faceless Master
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been thru this a million times. there's no 'installation' on 360. if you throttle your connection at 99%, the thing will not magically 'complete installation' since it's simply not fully downloaded.Yeef said:
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
The firmware update process on PS3 is a hassle. If I'm going to be forced to spend time tweaking and maintaining a videogame system, I think I'd rather go all the way and play PC games. The console space is turning into this crappy hybrid where I'm getting the worst parts of PC gaming but not the best parts.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Assembly Required said:
Neither the Wii nor the 360 use "proprietary drives"; the Wii doesn't use a drive at all, it uses standard flash memory, and the 360 uses standard hard drives inside proprietary cases. At any rate, something being a "proprietary drive" is irrelevant anyway because the idea of installation--in fact, even the idea of software--doesn't exist at a hardware level, it exists at a firmware/OS level.
You don't need to know anything about how it works to know that's not how it works.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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The Faceless Master said:
Ok...so its installing in the background? its masked? you seem to know a lot, give me some more details maybe? I geniuely would like to know. I've always wondered.
Though, from what I've seen regarding downloads/installations:
- On the 360, decompression/installation seems to happen as it downloads.
- On Wii, the downloads are installed after it finishes downloading (see Mario/Luigi jumping multiple times on the last block; that's the installation)
- On the PS3 downloads are installed after it finished downloading. If you're doing something else, installation won't happen untill you manually choose to install it. If you're on the download screen or the unit is set to turn off after finish downloading, installation will happen automatically.
Necroscope
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I think the biggest different between xbox and ps3 firmware update is that xbox patch the firmware with only the changes and ps3 do a clean install of the entire firmware...
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Cheech said:
Lol, yeah. I was joking. That does suck. I remember being a kid, simply pop the VHS into the VCR and bam! good to go. Unless someone forgot to rewind the tape...
Z_Y
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gamerecks said:
Well it is the truth. :-/ I know the exact time because I looked at the clock after I started. I kept checking back and waited out the last 10 minute or so. Regardless, you don't think nearly 20 minutes is not "extreme"? Sometimes I may only have 30 minutes to an hour to sit down and play a game....I really don't want to watch a progress bar for 20 minutes of that time.
I didn't mean to imply that part of the download precentage was just the installation; rather that the decompressing happens during the download process. The only other way I could see it working is if Microsoft doesn't compress the files at all, but that seems like a waste of bandwidth.The Faceless Master said:
The GooniesCheech said:
[Edit] I think it'd be interesting to compile a list of different users' setups (connection speed, connection type, port forwarding/DMZ, etc) and their average download speed from the PSN servers. I've had my PS3 set to DMZ since a few weeks after I first got it and I've never had any speed issues.
Cornbread78
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The Faceless Master said:
Yup, or if it's a night I know I'm not playing and there was an update dropped, I'll have it run the update and sut itself down afterward.
Obviously to others it's a "big" deal, but to me, I appreciate the updates. Deal with the few minutes of waiting (good time to catch Sportscenter) then go on about my gaming fun.
The Faceless Master
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that's not exactly how it is, but it's probably the easiest explanation for people to understand.mintylurb said:
if you've ever downloaded a 360 demo from the internet and burned it on a cd/dvd to play, you've seen it's just 1 huge file nested like 5 folders deep. and it just works.
The Faceless Master
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most stuff in games is already compressed fairly well (for fast loading and data optimization purposes). if you look at the download sizes of demos on PS3 vs 360, they're usually around the same size, and the install size on PS3 is around the same size as the download size.Yeef said:
Yeah, just do it when you're done playing or watch some TV and then turn the system back on when it finishes the installsAeana said:
If you just got one item to install, it's pointless. But if you have several big items it's much better than installing everything one by one.
Things I learned from this thread:
I don't really mind all the inconvenience, but folks (journalists included) should be allowed to air their displeasure without fan-wars that ended three years ago rearing their ugly heads again. And it's the same posters.
- PS3 firmware updates download in a couple of minutes.
- Even if they don't you're a crybaby and should cry moar.
- It is my fault for having some kind of router.
- XBLA is too expensive, but...
- ...I should upgrade to PSN Plus so that it can do all this automatically at night after I tried to play.
- If my game updates are too big it is my fault for not playing the game every night.
- People who complain about inconvenience are babies.
I don't really mind all the inconvenience, but folks (journalists included) should be allowed to air their displeasure without fan-wars that ended three years ago rearing their ugly heads again. And it's the same posters.
Yeef said:
The assertion was that long updates are ok because there are only 4 updates per year.
Regardless of whether or not you consider 3.41.1 to be an update (some people did ahve to update with 3.41 twice), there are clearly more than just 4 PS3 firmware updates per year.
The Faceless Master
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no, the quote was "about 4 times a year" so are you saying that 4 times isn't "about 4" times?ShapeGSX said:
fatigues_gasolini
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Z_Y said:Well it is the truth. :-/ I know the exact time because I looked at the clock after I started. I kept checking back and waited out the last 10 minute or so. Regardless, you don't think nearly 20 minutes is not "extreme"? Sometimes I may only have 30 minutes to an hour to sit down and play a game....I really don't want to watch a progress bar for 20 minutes of that time.
I didnt mean to imply that you were lying. As stated in this thread, various people have a huge difference in downloading times. 20 minutes isnt extreme to me because I know how many updates have come out for LBP, I knew what was coming.
Neuromancer said:
A blu Ray drive isnt slower per-se, it reads data differently. DVD drives read dvd's faster near the center and slower near the outside of the disc. Blu-Rays read at a constant, albeit slower, speed throughout the entire disc. I always assumed that installs supplement this difference in reading speeds and the publisher didnt want to try to optimize the data placement for a Blu-Ray.
The Faceless Master
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you missed the one where the guy said that PSN Plus doesn't always download updates in a timely fashion, but that's okay too...OuterWorldVoice said:
The Faceless Master said:
In the past year (August 2009 to August 2010), there have been 9 firmware updates to the PS3. Are you saying that 9 is "about 4 times?"
For the calendar year, so far, there have been 5 firmware updates, but it isn't December yet. Given their track record so far, they will likely update the firmware a few more times before 2010 is done.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Oh god, I hate installation. WAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
Neuromancer
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:lol Well said.OuterWorldVoice said:
antiquegamer
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Few weeks back, my in-law came over and I want to show off the PS3 to him with Eye of Judgements. Now it's been awhile since I play the game but since we both love card game, I thought it would be great game to show off.
Yeah, an hour later and the fricking thing was still updating and downloading. Needless to say he was not impress with PS3 ... so my attempt to convince him to get PS3 backfire.
Yeah, an hour later and the fricking thing was still updating and downloading. Needless to say he was not impress with PS3 ... so my attempt to convince him to get PS3 backfire.
GillianSeed79
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Assembly Required said:
Uh. That's a pretty big impact. The PS3 doesn't exist in a vacuum for a lot of people by the way. We have other video gaming options. My thing is if I can play the exact same game on the 360 why wait a half hour to an an hour to play the same game on the PS3.
antiquegamer
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OuterWorldVoice said:
Isn't this always the case with many of the PS3 defense force posters? It's always OK when Sony does it. Last year they were all crying how evil Microsoft was with all the "moneyhated" of exclusive contents, this year many of the games coming out all have exclusive contents only on PS3. I have yet to see one post crying about it by all the people that were wailing on MS last year and how MS was destroying gaming.
The PS3 update system is useless, it really is. It takes a fucking age to download things and then you have to wait another few hundred years for it to install stuff. It's just a cumbersome system, it has been from day one. I still remember the DMC4/MGS4 install brouhaha. Next to the 360 the PS3 is extremely clunky when it comes to actually installing/loading software. I popped LBP in after not touching it for a few months and it took almost an hour to download and install the updates.
Unknown One
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This guy is trying to start a flamewar or something. Look back a month or 2. People were bitching about it on Mafia 2 and EA related games.antiquegamer said:
jvm said:My son wanted to show off LBP recently. The patches were a real bummer for him and his friend, so I just hit the circle button (or something) and it cancelled the patch download and started the game.
He didn't even notice, and had a great time.
I tried that, too. My son likes playing the community levels, though. So, we had to update the PS3, then the game (hadn't played it in a while).
Air Zombie Meat
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Having to leave my PS3 on overnight to download multiple hours worth of Eye of Judgement updates at a snails pace is the most ridiculous thing I've ever experienced in console or pc gaming. I know thats not the norm but goddamn.
CadetMahoney
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Agree. Even I could tell it had nothing to do with the hard drive but the PS3 system itself.Stumpokapow said:
When the base system is like this requiring an install after downloading I don't see how Sony can improve it. It can't be improved with the classic argument "wait until fw xyz, that will makes things better." They'll have to overhaul the whole system. I wonder how they will incorporate such a system into PS4. Probably do away with it altogether and start with a new one.Ushojax said:
The Faceless Master
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there have been 7 required updates since August 2009 and there were only 4 updates this year.ShapeGSX said:
are you saying that 4 times isn't "about 4" times? and even if there's another update this year, are you saying that 5 times isn't "about 4" times?
Lord Error
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Maybe it's been said already, but I believe as of system update 3.41, they've added the ability to patch the updates like on X360, instead of downloading/installing the whole thing like on PS3, Iphones, etc. if that's true, small functional updates should be downloaded as a small file.