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It only delays: the frustrations of Sony's PS3 firmware

Talon- said:
This is definitely not how that shit went down.

That 3 month stretch made me stop using Safari when browsing GAF. :lol
Oh yes

The best thing about Safari back then was that after about half an hour it would just stop loading GIFs altogether


While I've yet to have a truly horrific experience with updates, the Burnout Paradise ones did get on my nerves - nearly 2 hours to download <100Mb of data on a 10Mb connection? Staggering.
 
Now, go back to the E3 announcement threads. Read any 5 pages of the LBP2 thread, and then go and read 5 pages of the Fable 3 thread. There is a *stark* difference in posting quality. Nowhere in the Fable thread will you see people post "OMG ALL OVER MY FACE!", "MAXIMUM MOLECULE HAS DONE IT AGAIN!!!", that kind of nonsense.

And the funny thing is, it was far worse when this generation started. The Lair and Heavenly Sword threads would make anyone cringe today. Just blatant fanboy cheerleading.

Some of these franchises deserve the praise.
 
Garjon said:
While I've yet to have a truly horrific experience with updates, the Burnout Paradise ones did get on my nerves - nearly 2 hours to download <100Mb of data on a 10Mb connection? Staggering.

thankfully it's much improved since those dark days... i can remember giving up on some patches and coming back before work to update while less people were online. :D
 
I don't have this problem, I'm still on other OS firmware installation waiting patiently for some kind of possible CFW.
 
NinjaFusion said:
thankfully it's much improved since those dark days... i can remember giving up on some patches and coming back before work to update while less people were online. :D
True, outside of firmware updates, I haven't recently had many problems with downloading, even when my connection turns to dust (VERY frequently).
In fact what I find more annoying is the way the install progress bar always crawls to about 50% then instantly leaps to about 80%.
 
Talon- said:
This is definitely not how that shit went down.

That 3 month stretch made me stop using Safari when browsing GAF. :lol

I just started adblocking them since after all, they were just annoying ads for the game from users here. If I adblocked them then they never showed up again and since the fanboys were just reusing the exact same gif's over and over and over and over and over again it got to the point where there would be about 10 empty posts per page cause adlbock was blocking them before loading.

The Killzone.gif crowd really soured a lot of people on that game before it was even released.
 
I can't disagree with it. My 360 and PS3 are right next to each other and connected to the same network yet it takes at least 10x longer to update my PS3 than it does the 360. And they release so frequently that I regularly miss an update and have to patch multiple revisions before I can get to the PSN.
 
Seda said:
This never really bothers me. If my 360 is downloading something big, I just play or watch something on my PS3 on the other input, and vise versa.

pretty much this, never bothered me either, but instead of swithcing between systems, i just surf the internet
 
Steve Youngblood said:
You're right. I never fall behind on these sorts of things. Every time someone tells me that I should remember to do something, I always do. I never, ever forget. Not once. Because, as everyone knows, an individual adult does not have a ton of responsibilities or anything. It's easy to keep track of everything.

I'm glad you agree.
 
Can we at least all agree that one of the prime reasons to play console games rather than PC games, is simplicity and convenience?

Aside from catalog, that's the fundamental difference and one that I, as a busy person who just wants to sit down, play the game, possibly for less time than some updates actually take to download, appreciate.

Dismissing this objectively reasonable concern as some kind of exaggeration or personality disorder is bizarre.
 
imtehman said:
pretty much this, never bothered me either, but instead of swithcing between systems, i just surf the internet
That's cool and all, but I turned on my machine -- the machine I bought primarily as a games console -- to play a game. I didn't want to watch tv, or surf the internet, or play a 360 game. If I did, I would have been doing those things instead of turning on my PS3.
 
hey_it's_that_dog said:
Wasn't defending the system completely. It obviously could be improved. But there are small things one can do to prevent the apparently massive rage-strokes that these updates cause. Turn on your system more often, for instance. I thought it was clear, but I wasn't suggesting that during your designated game time you start the updates and then run errands. I was suggesting that, if this small inconvenience brings you to tears and causes you to lash out at others on a message board, perhaps you could think ahead and download the updates while you shower, or prepare a meal, or any of the things you do while you're not at work and not playing games. You don't have time to check the PS blog for 5 seconds during your workday or any other time? I don't believe you.

You had time to write that post, after all.

Others have already addressed a few of your points (thread moved quickly I suppose) but I want to add my thoughts.

You offer a few somewhat logical suggestions. However, they're logical only to you, really, because what you consider "small things" doesn't necessarily fit within the schedules of those with full-time jobs, a fiancee to contend with, a wedding to plan for, an hour+ commute each way each day, etc.

Like turning the system on more often. By the time I get home, I'm exhausted. The last thing I generally feel like doing is going downstairs and turning on a system just to make sure I'm up to date with its updates. To that end, if I'm going downstairs, I'm going downstairs to play a game to unwind after a long day. Not to just stare at an update status bar. So your suggestion isn't exactly a solution.

Or thinking ahead and planning an update period while I'm making dinner? Surely you realize how completely insane that sounds. You're suggesting that I'd have to block in time for a system update. That I should go downstairs, turn the system on and start the process, then go back upstairs to make dinner while the system updates. Do you realize that suggestion doesn't really address the core issue of a substandard update process? I shouldn't have to block in time for system updates.

Further, if spending a half hour or so making a decent meal is the kind of timeframe I'd need so I don't actually see the update inching along...that reflects extremely poorly upon the update process itself, and really does not end up being a decent solution.

Or blocking time out for the system to update while I'm in the shower? Sorry, but the minute I start doing that is when I know my priorities are completely screwed up. I get up at 6:30 in the morning. I'm not about to run down to the basement to make sure the PS3 is fully updated before I start my morning routine.

As for your question about my time at work...no. I don't have 5 seconds to spend glancing at the PS blog. You seem to assume that my workday has some sort of downtime. It doesn't. And realistically, most real jobs don't have much downtime. So go ahead and don't believe me if you want. You'll come to understand exactly what I and others are talking about once you start a real full-time job and start having way more responsibilities than you do now.

And you'll be surprised. It sneaks up on you really, really quickly. No more than 3 years ago I had completely open weekends. There were a few months where my Friday nights had me going to a local bar with friends, drinking like crazy, coming back around 7 am, sleeping, til 2, then getting ready to go back out again around 5ish. When I wasn't doing that, I was having other friends over for some good ole retro gaming.

That all changed extremely fast. Now my Fridays have me getting home around 7 or 8 pm. I never see my friends because we're all super-busy and/or tired. My Saturdays usually involve the fiancee and I waking up around 8 or 9, running errands, then taking care of whatever we had to do that day.

When you're young, you have all the time in the world. And to that end, you think everyone else has all the time in the world.

Not the case at all.

So when you see me posting at 2 am, I'm very often collapsed on the living room couch and in no mood to do anything but wind down online. Further, when you see me posting at 6 pm, it's because I'm finally able to get a breather since everybody else left at 5 and the phones finally stopped ringing. But at that point I get to play catch up on ticket updates, and database updates, virtualization maintenance, etc. You know, the stuff I wanted to get done throughout the day but couldn't because such-and-such needed help with their VPN client, or someone else needed their phone extension to be reconfigured. Or we had a client coming in who needed to be briefed on how we operate. Or...you get the idea.

Basic gist of all of this is:

Working adults don't have a lot of time or patience for stupid delays that shouldn't happen in the first place, because we deal with plenty stupid delays as it is.

We're hardly part of the ADD generation--well, okay I'm technically part of it since I do have a mild ADHD thing going on, but when it all comes down to it...we just don't want our time wasted by things that shouldn't be wasting our time.

The clumsily slow PS3 update process is one such thing that wastes our time when it shouldn't be wasting our time.
 
Not defending sony fanboys but I think the gifs had to do with xbox fanboys telling the world(even the media) that KZ2 was gonna be KZ1.5 and bomb and never look good since it was too ambitious. So I think it backfired on xbox fansboys.

Im sure those pissed at kzgifs were in the "I hate kz2" bandwaggon before release of actual footage(07~08) and after.

And lets not forget the fucking morons that always go "in before kz2 gifs" when there aren't any fanboys around in the specific thread nor nobody ever posts a damn gif. Its like they want sony fanboys to do it for some weird reason. Maybe so they can say "I told you! stop with the gifs!!!" and feel like they were right? These people are more annoying then the actual posters, posting kz2 gifs.
 
Takes me about 5 minutes more or less. About a minute or two to install.

The Xbox 360 is still faster with this stuff though, based on the brief time I owned the thing.
 
The Blue Jihad said:
Others have already addressed a few of your points (thread moved quickly I suppose) but I want to add my thoughts.

You offer a few somewhat logical suggestions. However, they're logical only to you, really, because what you consider "small things" doesn't necessarily fit within the schedules of those with full-time jobs, a fiancee to contend with, a wedding to plan for, an hour+ commute each way each day, etc.

Like turning the system on more often. By the time I get home, I'm exhausted. The last thing I generally feel like doing is going downstairs and turning on a system just to make sure I'm up to date with its updates. To that end, if I'm going downstairs, I'm going downstairs to play a game to unwind after a long day. Not to just stare at an update status bar. So your suggestion isn't exactly a solution.

Or thinking ahead and planning an update period while I'm making dinner? Surely you realize how completely insane that sounds. You're suggesting that I'd have to block in time for a system update. That I should go downstairs, turn the system on and start the process, then go back upstairs to make dinner while the system updates. Do you realize that suggestion doesn't really address the core issue of a substandard update process? I shouldn't have to block in time for system updates.

Further, if spending a half hour or so making a decent meal is the kind of timeframe I'd need so I don't actually see the update inching along...that reflects extremely poorly upon the update process itself, and really does not end up being a decent solution.

Or blocking time out for the system to update while I'm in the shower? Sorry, but the minute I start doing that is when I know my priorities are completely screwed up. I get up at 6:30 in the morning. I'm not about to run down to the basement to make sure the PS3 is fully updated before I start my morning routine.

As for your question about my time at work...no. I don't have 5 seconds to spend glancing at the PS blog. You seem to assume that my workday has some sort of downtime. It doesn't. And realistically, most real jobs don't have much downtime. So go ahead and don't believe me if you want. You'll come to understand exactly what I and others are talking about once you start a real full-time job and start having way more responsibilities than you do now.

And you'll be surprised. It sneaks up on you really, really quickly. No more than 3 years ago I had completely open weekends. There were a few months where my Friday nights had me going to a local bar with friends, drinking like crazy, coming back around 7 am, sleeping, til 2, then getting ready to go back out again around 5ish. When I wasn't doing that, I was having other friends over for some good ole retro gaming.

That all changed extremely fast. Now my Fridays have me getting home around 7 or 8 pm. I never see my friends because we're all super-busy and/or tired. My Saturdays usually involve the fiancee and I waking up around 8 or 9, running errands, then taking care of whatever we had to do that day.

When you're young, you have all the time in the world. And to that end, you think everyone else has all the time in the world.

Not the case at all.

So when you see me posting at 2 am, I'm very often collapsed on the living room couch and in no mood to do anything but wind down online. Further, when you see me posting at 6 pm, it's because I'm finally able to get a breather since everybody else left at 5 and the phones finally stopped ringing. But at that point I get to play catch up on ticket updates, and database updates, virtualization maintenance, etc. You know, the stuff I wanted to get done throughout the day but couldn't because such-and-such needed help with their VPN client, or someone else needed their phone extension to be reconfigured. Or we had a client coming in who needed to be briefed on how we operate. Or...you get the idea.

Basic gist of all of this is:

Working adults don't have a lot of time or patience for stupid delays that shouldn't happen in the first place, because we deal with plenty stupid delays as it is.

We're hardly part of the ADD generation--well, okay I'm technically part of it since I do have a mild ADHD thing going on, but when it all comes down to it...we just don't want our time wasted by things that shouldn't be wasting our time.

The clumsily slow PS3 update process is one such thing that wastes our time when it shouldn't be wasting our time.


Cosign. It's not the end of the world, it's a mild annoyance. There are lots of other types of annoyance with the other consoles, past and present. But three years of it grated.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
Can we at least all agree that one of the prime reasons to play console games rather than PC games, is simplicity and convenience?

Aside from catalog, that's the fundamental difference and one that I, as a busy person who just wants to sit down, play the game, possibly for less time than some updates actually take to download, appreciate.

Dismissing this objectively reasonable concern as some kind of exaggeration or personality disorder is bizarre.

It's been a while since you used a PC isn't it? Steam and steamworks games are arguably more hassle free than either 360 or PS3 games. There is literally no intervention required on the part of the end user besides 2 clicks to install the game.
 
Salacious Crumb said:
It's been a while since you used a PC isn't it? Steam and steamworks games are arguably more hassle free than either 360 or PS3 games. There is literally no intervention required on the part of the end user besides 2 clicks to install the game.
God forbid you want to play games when you don't have internet and you haven't updated in a while. :(
 
Gravijah said:
God forbid you want to play games when you don't have internet and you haven't updated in a while. :(

If he had of said that I would have no issue, but he didn't. I just want to dispel the myth that the PC is some complex indecipherable mess that only MIT graduates can understand.

I don't want to derail, and PC has many obvious flaws, but complexity isn't one of them any more.
 
PetriP-TNT said:
Never had a problem with PSN / Firmware Updates / Patches

All are lightning fast

Well, obviously from this post you have never played Hot Shots Golf which is too bad. It's a fun game and you should check it out.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
Well, obviously from this post you have never played Hot Shots Golf which is too bad. It's a fun game and you should check it out.
I remember being confused with HSG when I had gotten a costume or course pack, can't remember which, and they didn't show up in the single player modes after downloading. It wasn't until I checked multiplayer that a patch started downloading. Once that completed I was able to use whatever item I had already downloaded separately in the single player game, but that was a tediously long patch. Pretty sure it happened everytime a new piece of DLC came out, and you wouldn't know if there was a new game patch to download as it only checked if you tried to select multi-player.
 
MLB The Show has horrible update times. Hell even just getting into the menus to play a league game takes way too much time. It varies every time too. Sometimes you can get in quickly other times it can take almost ten minutes just to get to my schedule.
 
Wrekt said:
I can't disagree with it. My 360 and PS3 are right next to each other and connected to the same network yet it takes at least 10x longer to update my PS3 than it does the 360. And they release so frequently that I regularly miss an update and have to patch multiple revisions before I can get to the PSN.

+100 exactly...

had a friend over and tried to play ps3 and every game (psn) required an update (sometime multiple updates)...soo frustrating cause this has happened quite a few times...xbox just handles this so much better...
 
The Blue Jihad said:
Others have already addressed a few of your points (thread moved quickly I suppose) but I want to add my thoughts.

You offer a few somewhat logical suggestions. However, they're logical only to you, really, because what you consider "small things" doesn't necessarily fit within the schedules of those with full-time jobs, a fiancee to contend with, a wedding to plan for, an hour+ commute each way each day, etc.

Like turning the system on more often. By the time I get home, I'm exhausted. The last thing I generally feel like doing is going downstairs and turning on a system just to make sure I'm up to date with its updates. To that end, if I'm going downstairs, I'm going downstairs to play a game to unwind after a long day. Not to just stare at an update status bar. So your suggestion isn't exactly a solution.

Or thinking ahead and planning an update period while I'm making dinner? Surely you realize how completely insane that sounds. You're suggesting that I'd have to block in time for a system update. That I should go downstairs, turn the system on and start the process, then go back upstairs to make dinner while the system updates. Do you realize that suggestion doesn't really address the core issue of a substandard update process? I shouldn't have to block in time for system updates.

Further, if spending a half hour or so making a decent meal is the kind of timeframe I'd need so I don't actually see the update inching along...that reflects extremely poorly upon the update process itself, and really does not end up being a decent solution.

Or blocking time out for the system to update while I'm in the shower? Sorry, but the minute I start doing that is when I know my priorities are completely screwed up. I get up at 6:30 in the morning. I'm not about to run down to the basement to make sure the PS3 is fully updated before I start my morning routine.

As for your question about my time at work...no. I don't have 5 seconds to spend glancing at the PS blog. You seem to assume that my workday has some sort of downtime. It doesn't. And realistically, most real jobs don't have much downtime. So go ahead and don't believe me if you want. You'll come to understand exactly what I and others are talking about once you start a real full-time job and start having way more responsibilities than you do now.

And you'll be surprised. It sneaks up on you really, really quickly. No more than 3 years ago I had completely open weekends. There were a few months where my Friday nights had me going to a local bar with friends, drinking like crazy, coming back around 7 am, sleeping, til 2, then getting ready to go back out again around 5ish. When I wasn't doing that, I was having other friends over for some good ole retro gaming.

That all changed extremely fast. Now my Fridays have me getting home around 7 or 8 pm. I never see my friends because we're all super-busy and/or tired. My Saturdays usually involve the fiancee and I waking up around 8 or 9, running errands, then taking care of whatever we had to do that day.

When you're young, you have all the time in the world. And to that end, you think everyone else has all the time in the world.

Not the case at all.

So when you see me posting at 2 am, I'm very often collapsed on the living room couch and in no mood to do anything but wind down online. Further, when you see me posting at 6 pm, it's because I'm finally able to get a breather since everybody else left at 5 and the phones finally stopped ringing. But at that point I get to play catch up on ticket updates, and database updates, virtualization maintenance, etc. You know, the stuff I wanted to get done throughout the day but couldn't because such-and-such needed help with their VPN client, or someone else needed their phone extension to be reconfigured. Or we had a client coming in who needed to be briefed on how we operate. Or...you get the idea.

Basic gist of all of this is:

Working adults don't have a lot of time or patience for stupid delays that shouldn't happen in the first place, because we deal with plenty stupid delays as it is.

We're hardly part of the ADD generation--well, okay I'm technically part of it since I do have a mild ADHD thing going on, but when it all comes down to it...we just don't want our time wasted by things that shouldn't be wasting our time.

The clumsily slow PS3 update process is one such thing that wastes our time when it shouldn't be wasting our time.

I'm sorry that your life is so difficult. You sure have made a lot of assumptions about what my life is like based on the simple fact that I don't find certain things as annoying as you do.

Anyway, some people are extremely annoyed by this small thing, I think they shouldn't be. I still think Sony should make improvements. I still think some people might need to chill the fuck out. I don't feel the need to say any more on this subject.
 
The Blue Jihad said:
Others have already addressed a few of your points (thread moved quickly I suppose) but I want to add my thoughts.

You offer a few somewhat logical suggestions. However, they're logical only to you, really, because what you consider "small things" doesn't necessarily fit within the schedules of those with full-time jobs, a fiancee to contend with, a wedding to plan for, an hour+ commute each way each day, etc.

Like turning the system on more often. By the time I get home, I'm exhausted. The last thing I generally feel like doing is going downstairs and turning on a system just to make sure I'm up to date with its updates. To that end, if I'm going downstairs, I'm going downstairs to play a game to unwind after a long day. Not to just stare at an update status bar. So your suggestion isn't exactly a solution.

Or thinking ahead and planning an update period while I'm making dinner? Surely you realize how completely insane that sounds. You're suggesting that I'd have to block in time for a system update. That I should go downstairs, turn the system on and start the process, then go back upstairs to make dinner while the system updates. Do you realize that suggestion doesn't really address the core issue of a substandard update process? I shouldn't have to block in time for system updates.

Further, if spending a half hour or so making a decent meal is the kind of timeframe I'd need so I don't actually see the update inching along...that reflects extremely poorly upon the update process itself, and really does not end up being a decent solution.

Or blocking time out for the system to update while I'm in the shower? Sorry, but the minute I start doing that is when I know my priorities are completely screwed up. I get up at 6:30 in the morning. I'm not about to run down to the basement to make sure the PS3 is fully updated before I start my morning routine.

As for your question about my time at work...no. I don't have 5 seconds to spend glancing at the PS blog. You seem to assume that my workday has some sort of downtime. It doesn't. And realistically, most real jobs don't have much downtime. So go ahead and don't believe me if you want. You'll come to understand exactly what I and others are talking about once you start a real full-time job and start having way more responsibilities than you do now.

And you'll be surprised. It sneaks up on you really, really quickly. No more than 3 years ago I had completely open weekends. There were a few months where my Friday nights had me going to a local bar with friends, drinking like crazy, coming back around 7 am, sleeping, til 2, then getting ready to go back out again around 5ish. When I wasn't doing that, I was having other friends over for some good ole retro gaming.

That all changed extremely fast. Now my Fridays have me getting home around 7 or 8 pm. I never see my friends because we're all super-busy and/or tired. My Saturdays usually involve the fiancee and I waking up around 8 or 9, running errands, then taking care of whatever we had to do that day.

When you're young, you have all the time in the world. And to that end, you think everyone else has all the time in the world.

Not the case at all.

So when you see me posting at 2 am, I'm very often collapsed on the living room couch and in no mood to do anything but wind down online. Further, when you see me posting at 6 pm, it's because I'm finally able to get a breather since everybody else left at 5 and the phones finally stopped ringing. But at that point I get to play catch up on ticket updates, and database updates, virtualization maintenance, etc. You know, the stuff I wanted to get done throughout the day but couldn't because such-and-such needed help with their VPN client, or someone else needed their phone extension to be reconfigured. Or we had a client coming in who needed to be briefed on how we operate. Or...you get the idea.

Basic gist of all of this is:

Working adults don't have a lot of time or patience for stupid delays that shouldn't happen in the first place, because we deal with plenty stupid delays as it is.

We're hardly part of the ADD generation--well, okay I'm technically part of it since I do have a mild ADHD thing going on, but when it all comes down to it...we just don't want our time wasted by things that shouldn't be wasting our time.

The clumsily slow PS3 update process is one such thing that wastes our time when it shouldn't be wasting our time.
sounds like you just don't care about gaming anymore. when i was doing back to back 12-16 hour workdays a few years ago, i still played a couple of hours almost every day. maybe you should quit gaming and find a hobby you like?
 
The Faceless Master said:
sounds like you just don't care about gaming anymore. when i was doing back to back 12-16 hour workdays a few years ago, i still played a couple of hours almost every day.
I found the time to do that as well, and that was when I was still in QA where my work was all game related. But even then I didn't necessarily play every day for a stretch of time here and there. And all that was before kids.

Not having a lot of time or not making the time to game because of other priorities does not necessarily mean someone needs to "quit gaming," good lord people.

hey_it's_that_dog said:
I still think some people might need to chill the fuck out.
People would "chill the fuck out" if their reasonable complaints weren't always met by such fervent dismissal and outrage. It could also be said of any legitimate complaint really, at least on these boards.
 
I know the molasses-like updating system doesn't bug the people who spend 1-5 hours (or even more) a day on gaming because obviously those people are always up to date but I think this really hurts the average person who doesn't play games EVERY SINGLE DAY and maybe has 20 minutes of free time to spare before work and just want to drop in and shoot some guys online or play a little fat princess.
 
If your entire post is about "sony fanboys" or "ms fanboys" or calling a specific GAF poster a "sony fanboy" or "ms fanboy" rather than actually addressing the pros and cons of the PS3 Firmware as they relate to the thread, you shouldn't be posting.

I hope this simple litmus test will prevent the almost certainly inevitable locking of this thread and associated janitorial work.
 
I really want to know this.

Why do MMOs get a pass for patching their game every 2-3months? (sometimes MUCH more frequently). I've had patches in MMOs take much longer than a PS3 firmware update, and then when I update the game, most of the time, the game is down for maintenance.

Why does Windows 7 get a pass for patching weekly?

But when the PS3 does it, it deserves a 10+ page thread of whining? Okay.
 
The Blue Jihad said:
Others have already addressed a few of your points (thread moved quickly I suppose) but I want to add my thoughts.

You offer a few somewhat logical suggestions. However, they're logical only to you, really, because what you consider "small things" doesn't necessarily fit within the schedules of those with full-time jobs, a fiancee to contend with, a wedding to plan for, an hour+ commute each way each day, etc.

Like turning the system on more often. By the time I get home, I'm exhausted. The last thing I generally feel like doing is going downstairs and turning on a system just to make sure I'm up to date with its updates. To that end, if I'm going downstairs, I'm going downstairs to play a game to unwind after a long day. Not to just stare at an update status bar. So your suggestion isn't exactly a solution.

Or thinking ahead and planning an update period while I'm making dinner? Surely you realize how completely insane that sounds. You're suggesting that I'd have to block in time for a system update. That I should go downstairs, turn the system on and start the process, then go back upstairs to make dinner while the system updates. Do you realize that suggestion doesn't really address the core issue of a substandard update process? I shouldn't have to block in time for system updates.

Further, if spending a half hour or so making a decent meal is the kind of timeframe I'd need so I don't actually see the update inching along...that reflects extremely poorly upon the update process itself, and really does not end up being a decent solution.

Or blocking time out for the system to update while I'm in the shower? Sorry, but the minute I start doing that is when I know my priorities are completely screwed up. I get up at 6:30 in the morning. I'm not about to run down to the basement to make sure the PS3 is fully updated before I start my morning routine.

As for your question about my time at work...no. I don't have 5 seconds to spend glancing at the PS blog. You seem to assume that my workday has some sort of downtime. It doesn't. And realistically, most real jobs don't have much downtime. So go ahead and don't believe me if you want. You'll come to understand exactly what I and others are talking about once you start a real full-time job and start having way more responsibilities than you do now.

And you'll be surprised. It sneaks up on you really, really quickly. No more than 3 years ago I had completely open weekends. There were a few months where my Friday nights had me going to a local bar with friends, drinking like crazy, coming back around 7 am, sleeping, til 2, then getting ready to go back out again around 5ish. When I wasn't doing that, I was having other friends over for some good ole retro gaming.

That all changed extremely fast. Now my Fridays have me getting home around 7 or 8 pm. I never see my friends because we're all super-busy and/or tired. My Saturdays usually involve the fiancee and I waking up around 8 or 9, running errands, then taking care of whatever we had to do that day.

When you're young, you have all the time in the world. And to that end, you think everyone else has all the time in the world.

Not the case at all.

So when you see me posting at 2 am, I'm very often collapsed on the living room couch and in no mood to do anything but wind down online. Further, when you see me posting at 6 pm, it's because I'm finally able to get a breather since everybody else left at 5 and the phones finally stopped ringing. But at that point I get to play catch up on ticket updates, and database updates, virtualization maintenance, etc. You know, the stuff I wanted to get done throughout the day but couldn't because such-and-such needed help with their VPN client, or someone else needed their phone extension to be reconfigured. Or we had a client coming in who needed to be briefed on how we operate. Or...you get the idea.

Basic gist of all of this is:

Working adults don't have a lot of time or patience for stupid delays that shouldn't happen in the first place, because we deal with plenty stupid delays as it is.

We're hardly part of the ADD generation--well, okay I'm technically part of it since I do have a mild ADHD thing going on, but when it all comes down to it...we just don't want our time wasted by things that shouldn't be wasting our time.

The clumsily slow PS3 update process is one such thing that wastes our time when it shouldn't be wasting our time.
Instead of writing this novel, you could've take a look if there's an update for your PS3...

It's not about bad Sony servers, it's about time management. At least in your case.
 
Snipes424 said:
I really want to know this.

Why do MMOs get a pass for patching their game every 2-3months? (sometimes MUCH more frequently). I've had patches in MMOs take much longer than a PS3 firmware update, and then when I update the game, most of the time, the game is down for maintenance.

Why does Windows 7 get a pass for patching weekly?

But when the PS3 does it, it deserves a 10+ page thread of whining? Okay.
Windows patches monthly, not weekly, and MMO's are updated frequently with new content and balance changes and fixes to get people to keep paying that monthly fee.

the real question is why do people not complain about their antivirus updating daily. wtf?
 
Snipes424 said:
I really want to know this.

Why do MMOs get a pass for patching their game every 2-3months? (sometimes MUCH more frequently). I've had patches in MMOs take much longer than a PS3 firmware update, and then when I update the game, most of the time, the game is down for maintenance.

Why does Windows 7 get a pass for patching weekly?

But when the PS3 does it, it deserves a 10+ page thread of whining? Okay.
I don't know about MMOs but Windows doesn't make me sit there for 20 minutes staring at a bar before letting me boot up Excel.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
I don't know about MMOs but Windows doesn't make me sit there for 20 minutes staring at a bar before letting me boot up Excel.

I can also ignore any Windows update and keep working on what I'm working on using my computer 100% before deciding when and where to do the update.

Also... the PS3 is not a computer.
 
The Faceless Master said:
Windows patches monthly, not weekly, and MMO's are updated frequently with new content and balance changes and fixes to get people to keep paying that monthly fee.

the real question is why do people not complain about their antivirus updating daily. wtf?
MMOs are updated to attempt to make the game better. Wether that be content, balance, or bug fixes, it's to make the service better.

There is absolutely no difference with FW updates. Every FW update is there to fix bugs, security or add features. Just like MMO updates, PSN FW updates have some features that are great and some that are useless for me.

Edit: sorry if my post are hard to read, I'm on the elliptical, typing this on the iPhone, listening to weekend confirmed. :lol :lol
 
The Faceless Master said:
Windows patches monthly, not weekly, and MMO's are updated frequently with new content and balance changes and fixes to get people to keep paying that monthly fee.

the real question is why do people not complain about their antivirus updating daily. wtf?

All that stuff happens in the background. In other words, tt doesn't interrupt me or keep me from doing something else on the computer.
 
vodka-bull said:
Instead of writing this novel, you could've take a look if there's an update for your PS3...

It's not about bad Sony servers, it's about time management. At least in your case.
And you had to quote the entire thing?:p

Seriously, and I know it goes both ways; but how some people accept something and then accepting it, being the solution is dumb.

Slow internet speed? Get a better connection.
You don't want to stare at download bars? Go make a sandwich.
You don't want to download too many/long updates? Play more.
You don't know about the updates? Go get online and check GAF.
Don't have time to download updates? Go make time.

Come on. :p
 
H_Prestige said:
Takes me about 5 minutes more or less. About a minute or two to install.

The Xbox 360 is still faster with this stuff though, based on the brief time I owned the thing.

You guys must have super PS3s. I'm on a 15mb connection and the download is alright, but it's apparently way bigger than the Xbox's because those take less than a minute normally. The install? Definitely took at least 5+ minutes, if not longer and I got tired of watching it and turned on the TV. It's a problem, period, and those who defend it apparently have never used an Xbox or experienced the frustration of turning the PS3 on with friends ready to play a game only to a) have an update waiting or b) endure a long game update. Both are so much fun!
 
duckroll said:
Updating the firmware is a hassle on the PS3. This is fact. While the amount of time it takes to download the update differs depending on connection type, location, time of day, etc, the fact remains that we're talking about a firmware update of over 100meg. That's really excessive.

Having to install games after download is really dumb too. It often doubles the amount of time needed before you can actually get to playing something. It's kinda baffling that after downloading a small 50 meg demo (on the PSP even!) you have to "install" it for whatever reason, and that could take anything from 30 seconds or 1-2 minutes depending on the software.

Lots of room for improvement on PSN for sure.
Word. Updates should not be something I have to wait around for. On the 360, I've at most waited a minute for one, but on the PS3 it takes at least 10 minutes. Installing game demos is also something that has to go.
 
xcrunner529 said:
You guys must have super PS3s. I'm on a 15mb connection and the download is alright, but it's apparently way bigger than the Xbox's because those take less than a minute normally. The install? Definitely took at least 5+ minutes, if not longer and I got tired of watching it and turned on the TV. It's a problem, period, and those who defend it apparently have never used an Xbox or experienced the frustration of turning the PS3 on with friends ready to play a game only to a) have an update waiting or b) endure a long game update. Both are so much fun!

No super ps3. Just a 60gb ps3 and 10mb wireless connection. Probably depends on ISP and location too.

I think the length of install time depends on how much free space you have. I have about 40gb left on my on "55gb" drive, so installs aren't very long. I try to keep all my media stuff on my external portable drive.

But how many updates do most ps3 games have? I've been playing nothing but KZ2 since it came out and I could probably count the number of updates on one hand.
 
xcrunner529 said:
You guys must have super PS3s. I'm on a 15mb connection and the download is alright, but it's apparently way bigger than the Xbox's because those take less than a minute normally. The install? Definitely took at least 5+ minutes, if not longer and I got tired of watching it and turned on the TV. It's a problem, period, and those who defend it apparently have never used an Xbox or experienced the frustration of turning the PS3 on with friends ready to play a game only to a) have an update waiting or b) endure a long game update. Both are so much fun!
i play my 360 way more than my PS3 and i really don't see the problem.
 
H_Prestige said:
I think the length of install time depends on how much free space you have. I have about 40gb left on my on "55gb" drive, so installs aren't very long.
I haven't noticed any real improvement due to free space. Installs on my 500 GB HD take just as long as it did when I had the original 80 GB still in with only a few gigs free.
 
H_Prestige said:
But how many updates do most ps3 games have? I've been playing nothing but KZ2 since it came out and I could probably count the number of updates on one hand.
It depends on the game.
I've already said it, (multiple times) but Eye of Judgment had over 2,500 files that download individually. For a 3.6GB total. (At least it did, last year don't know if there are more right now). Had to leave it on for over 24 hours.

That's just inexcusable, when I just wanted to try the game online with my friends.
 
hey_it's_that_dog said:
I'm sorry that your life is so difficult. You sure have made a lot of assumptions about what my life is like based on the simple fact that I don't find certain things as annoying as you do.

Anyway, some people are extremely annoyed by this small thing, I think they shouldn't be. I still think Sony should make improvements. I still think some people might need to chill the fuck out. I don't feel the need to say any more on this subject.

Where does it seem like I'm saying my life is so difficult? My post was neither incendiary nor overwrought. All I did was calmly and clearly lay out the precise issues with your suggestions. Yet your primary point is that I'm trying to make my life seem difficult? Not to be glib, but it's replies like yours that throw threads like these into degenerate pits of posting hell. I could understand implying a little "oh woe is me" if my post were somehow hitting at that kind of overly dramatic tone, but my reply was anything but overly dramatic. It was a calm, reasoned rebuttal that focused on your points. So please, spare me the inane "I'm sorry your life is so difficult" hyperbole.

Now, as for this "assumption" angle, I don't believe it's an assumption so much as an observation. And really, you would respond with similar comments to mine if someone else had offered the same suggestions to you. I mean, really think about it. Someone tells you to set aside time before a shower to update your system? What are you going to think about that? Are you going to figure that this is a person with good time management or are you going to think this person has shitty priorities?

Or someone tells you to start the update before you start cooking dinner. Are you really going to feel it's a worthwhile suggestion? That you'd devote a half hour or more just for making sure your system would be fully updated? That the suggestion wouldn't just underscore how ridiculous the updating system actually is?

In that sense, I don't think it's so outrageous to point out that your recommendations border on completely useless for those whose free time really does amount to a few hours on the weekend.

Finally, again, where is the justification for your ridiculous hyperbole? At what point did I seem extremely annoyed in my prior reply? At what point would you tell me I needed to "chill the fuck out"?

Come on, don't lapse into the traditional boneheaded gaffer mode.

The Faceless Master said:
sounds like you just don't care about gaming anymore. when i was doing back to back 12-16 hour workdays a few years ago, i still played a couple of hours almost every day. maybe you should quit gaming and find a hobby you like?

It sounds like I don't care about gaming? On the contrary, actually. If I didn't care about gaming, I wouldn't be annoyed by clumsy update policies. If I didn't care about gaming anymore, I wouldn't be turning on any systems at all. Let's be clear here. You took an extremely even-keeled, reasonable post and spring-boarded into "well you sound like you just don't care about gaming anymore and maybe you should just quit gaming" nonsense. Again, if any of you want to have an actual discussion about this, the ridiculous, disingenuous hyperbole has got to go.

And...sorry if my math isn't as sharp as it used to be, but figure you split that at 14 hour days. We're looking at approximately 7 am to 9 pm. That's a 14 hour day. So adding in time for morning prep and your commute plus gaming time, you're basically getting up around 6 and getting to bed at around 11 or midnight. At that point why bother sleeping at all? I hear sleeping only 15 minutes a night lets you be a hell of a lot more productive. ;-)
 
i wouldn't go as far as to say it's "fact" that updating the PS3 is a hassle. it may be a hassle to YOU, but that doesn't mean it is to everyone. it's easy for me. i hit update, it downloads, installs, reboots..... yay?

as far as frequency is concerned, if you aren't using your PS3 very often at all, then you shouldn't be commenting on the frequency of updates. period. if you are an itunes user and you use it all the time, you shouldn't be complaining about the frequency of PS3 updates either. i'd be rich if i had a dime every time any of my friends bitched about having to update their itunes.

and on the subject of speed, blame your ISP. i don't care how fast your 360 or whatever else updates. i had FIBER and PS3 updates downloaded just as quickly and painlessly as they did on my 6 meg DSL and my current 20meg comcast. oddly enough my psp takes just as long to update as my PS3.

the ONLY complaint i have AT ALL about updates in general when it comes to the PS3 is that Sony isn't enforcing devs/pubs to patch their core PSN games with the latest versions. if i download a game i shouldn't have to patch it when i first run it. it should already be up to date. this is 2010.
 
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